GoSox05 Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 (edited) Lot's of good qb's have been taken past the first 15 picks. Yeah, the guys like Brady are extremely rare, but there is a lot of good to great qb's taken past the first 15. Montana Marino Favre Rodgers Young Those are just the hall of fame guys. There are the guys that had really good careers. Cunningham Burnell Hasselback Fouts Bulger Lot's of other guys. Moon, Romo and Warner weren't even drafted. Edited August 17, 2015 by GoSox05 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 QUOTE (bmags @ Aug 17, 2015 -> 04:14 PM) Great, so there's 4 in the last 40 years. Rodgers was 21st pick wasnt he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSox05 Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 (edited) You could argue that 7 of the top 10 qb's all time were taken outside the top 15. Unitas - Round 9 Montana - Round 3 Marino - 27th overall Favre - Round 2 Young - undrafted Brady - Round 6 Rodgers - 24th overall Pretty amazing when you think about it. Edited August 17, 2015 by GoSox05 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Sorry guys, not convinced as you try to pull in guys like Bulger for volume and go back to Unitas. You know what does seem to set all of those late round QBs apart though? They went to teams with great QB systems and coaching. It's likely no matter where Bears draft they'll fail unless we finallly have a team in place to develop/support them. I think John Fox puts his QBs in place to succeed and overcome deficiencies, but his ability to trust coordinators to implement their systems means it's not consistent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Also, Young as Undrafted is very misleading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 QUOTE (bmags @ Aug 17, 2015 -> 04:43 PM) Also, Young as Undrafted is very misleading. Just looking at current starters in the league now picked up after 15th pick. Flacco (18) Dalton (35) Brees (32) Kaepernick (36) Wilson (75) just names not mentioned yet btw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Half of the top 10 QBs in QBR last year were picks outside the top 15.... Romo, Rodgers, Brady, Wilson, and Flacco. Stretch it out to outside the top 10 and you can throw Big Ben in there as well (11th). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 QUOTE (shipps @ Aug 17, 2015 -> 04:55 PM) Just looking at current starters in the league now picked up after 15th pick. Flacco (18) Dalton (35) Brees (32) Kaepernick (36) Wilson (75) just names not mentioned yet btw Yes to Brees, mentioned Wilson. I'd feel pretty meh about having Flacco/Dalton/Kaep, though Flacco may not deserve that grouping. But God, he is boring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 QUOTE (bmags @ Aug 17, 2015 -> 05:05 PM) Yes to Brees, mentioned Wilson. I'd feel pretty meh about having Flacco/Dalton/Kaep, though Flacco may not deserve that grouping. But God, he is boring. The percentages just aren't in the Bears favor or anyone's favor of finding a top tier QB who do not have one already. It sucks. Even when there is an influx of QB's coming through college its not enough to fill these awful starting QB openings. I want a damn quarterback dammit damn shoot jimminey crickets! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 QUOTE (shipps @ Aug 17, 2015 -> 05:22 PM) The percentages just aren't in the Bears favor or anyone's favor of finding a top tier QB who do not have one already. It sucks. Even when there is an influx of QB's coming through college its not enough to fill these awful starting QB openings. I want a damn quarterback dammit damn shoot jimminey crickets! Darn it all to heck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (shipps @ Aug 17, 2015 -> 04:55 PM) Just looking at current starters in the league now picked up after 15th pick. Flacco (18) Dalton (35) Brees (32) Kaepernick (36) Wilson (75) just names not mentioned yet btw QUOTE (scs787 @ Aug 17, 2015 -> 04:56 PM) Half of the top 10 QBs in QBR last year were picks outside the top 15.... Romo, Rodgers, Brady, Wilson, and Flacco. Stretch it out to outside the top 10 and you can throw Big Ben in there as well (11th). Whoops, for some reason I thought Brees was a top 5 pick....So that's 7 of the top 10 QBs in QBR who were taken outside of the top 10. Wanna go top 14? Add Kaep and Foles in there. 9 of 14. How's that for percentages? Edited August 18, 2015 by scs787 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 670 The Score @670TheScore 18m18 minutes ago #Bears depth chart has rookie 5th-rounder Adrian Amos listed as starting safety, while Brock Vereen is demoted: http://cbsloc.al/1hL75BU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 18, 2015 -> 03:20 PM) 670 The Score @670TheScore 18m18 minutes ago #Bears depth chart has rookie 5th-rounder Adrian Amos listed as starting safety, while Brock Vereen is demoted: http://cbsloc.al/1hL75BU After seeing all the other options I hope to god that Amos can be something. LOL Its where Pace has to shine when its all said and done. Most of his draft picks have to turn out to be contributors no matter what rounds taken in to get back into contention in a reasonable amount of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 Mundy was pretty good last year, I don't get why he's a backup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkBomber Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Kelvin Benjamin torn ACL out for the year. Thats rough for Carolina. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Aug 18, 2015 -> 06:08 PM) Mundy was pretty good last year, I don't get why he's a backup. Honestly I think they just know what they have in him and are trying out the other options with the ones to see if there's anything special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Former Bears QB Erik Kramer survives a suicide attempt... http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ex-nfl...sources-n412831 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 QUOTE (SoxAce @ Aug 20, 2015 -> 07:15 AM) Former Bears QB Erik Kramer survives a suicide attempt... http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ex-nfl...sources-n412831 Result of brain injuries maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 QUOTE (knightni @ Aug 20, 2015 -> 07:07 AM) Result of brain injuries maybe? His wife said he has been battling depression since his career ended. i remember he had some concussion issues, and then that horrible neck injury happened. I wouldnt be surprised at all if he has CTE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 (edited) Didn't his son die from a drug overdose a couple of years ago? Just a f***ed up situation for the family. Edited August 20, 2015 by SoxAce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Terrible. I used to pretend I was Erik Kramer throwing to Curtis Conway and Jeff Graham when I was a kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Kramer has been an analyst for some time now too, right? I could have sworn I have seen him do some games from the booth and do some post game stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Aug 20, 2015 -> 10:22 AM) Terrible. I used to pretend I was Erik Kramer throwing to Curtis Conway and Jeff Graham when I was a kid. Feel really bad for his wife. At the time of your life where you can settle in with family hers is disappearing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxsoxsoxsox Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 QUOTE (shipps @ Aug 20, 2015 -> 10:34 AM) Kramer has been an analyst for some time now too, right? I could have sworn I have seen him do some games from the booth and do some post game stuff. he used to be. i don't remember seeing him in the recent past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Tony Dungy says the Colts held meetings in hallways because P. Manning thought that the Patriots had bugged the locker room Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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