I still say the biggest mistake they made with Ventura is providing him with a staff that didn't have a guy(bench coach) that had previously been a ML manager. Having a mentor-type bench coach, like a Gene Lamont, I think, would have helped Robin immensely.

 

i thought that was suppose to be coop job, to advise and mentor him.

I don't think there's any way he coaches on a 1 year deal. Even if it's just a 1 year extension, they'll add a year.

 

 

This is a good point. They'll either extend him or move on. I fully expect him to be back but Hahn has stated that all options are on the table. I think they'd probably just say he's coming back if he were for sure.

I don't think there's any way he coaches on a 1 year deal. Even if it's just a 1 year extension, they'll add a year.

 

He's not Ozzie Guillen, and I don't see it happening this year, not with the type of season they have had.

Found this comment to be interesting in the Tribune today from Rick Hahn:

 

Hahn said the Sox will be careful not to overreact and create more problems when they make their changes, given that they still believe they have some of the pieces in place needed to win. He said Chairman Jerry Reinsdorf, who was “heavily involved” in their offseason restructuring last winter, has asked for their plan to get back on track.

 

Mark

I don't care what he wants, he needs to go.

 

I absolutely want a new manager, give it to me!

Could be worse.

 

 

http://deadspin.com/matt-williams-f***s-up...ss-c-1729545542

Could be worse.

 

 

http://deadspin.com/matt-williams-f***s-up...ss-c-1729545542

The article doesn't even address that Harper was hitting after Rendon, and a successful bunt would have just taken the bat out of his hands.

670 The Score ‏@670TheScore 3h3 hours ago

 

Robin Ventura deserves blame for #WhiteSox struggles -- and also another year as manager, writes @MLBBruceLevine: http://cbsloc.al/1ObK3jX

...and if Levine didn't like Ventura, he would be writing that he should go.

 

Nothing is going to happen. Just have to accept that Jerry/Kenny/Rick/Buddy/Robin/Coop are going to be running this team to another non-playoff season.

 

They can look at more empty seats next year.

They can look at more empty seats next year.

 

If we were only better fans, I'm sure the team would be better.

...and if Levine didn't like Ventura, he would be writing that he should go.

 

Nothing is going to happen. Just have to accept that Jerry/Kenny/Rick/Buddy/Robin/Coop are going to be running this team to another non-playoff season.

 

They can look at more empty seats next year.

 

There was talk about writers doing favors for ownership in their articles. This is one I think is 100% a favor to the White Sox.

There was talk about writers doing favors for ownership in their articles. This is one I think is 100% a favor to the White Sox.

 

 

For sure. Levine was spoon fed the Melky Cabrera deal in the offseason and also had the KW/Toronto stuff. Sox use Levine for stuff all the time

For sure. Levine was spoon fed the Melky Cabrera deal in the offseason and also had the KW/Toronto stuff. Sox use Levine for stuff all the time

 

I have also caught him a couple of times after news has already been out making it clear that he knew the news before it became public knowledge, but he didn't report on it at the time, which is telling me that he was asked not do so.

If there was anyone in the history of coaches that did not deserve another year... I can't think of a many more.

 

No experience

No track record of success

 

But I still think a lot is to be determined by their final trend and record.

This is a good point. They'll either extend him or move on. I fully expect him to be back but Hahn has stated that all options are on the table. I think they'd probably just say he's coming back if he were for sure.

Yeah they are going to have to extend him. He's not going to manage on a one-year deal.

 

Found this comment to be interesting in the Tribune today from Rick Hahn:

 

Hahn said the Sox will be careful not to overreact and create more problems when they make their changes, given that they still believe they have some of the pieces in place needed to win. He said Chairman Jerry Reinsdorf, who was “heavily involved” in their offseason restructuring last winter, has asked for their plan to get back on track.

 

Mark

Nice. I don't know what they are gonna tell the chairman. It's going to be hard to win with no power Melky as your leftfielder, absolutely worthless LaRoche as your DH and what on paper remains average to below average defensive team (depending on who gets third and second next year).

Yeah they are going to have to extend him. He's not going to manage on a one-year deal.

Why not? Are you really saying that if Sox don't offer an extension to Robin, he will walk away?

https://twitter.com/RyanMcGuffey/status/641799051344760832

 

Ventura with an accomplishment.

Edited September 10, 201510 yr by flavum

If there was anyone in the history of coaches that did not deserve another year... I can't think of a many more.

 

No experience

No track record of success

 

But I still think a lot is to be determined by their final trend and record.

 

That's the way the organization will replace Ventura. In that case I have no problem with him finishing his contract. I don't want another liked player, even Jim Thome.

 

Back in the day, the two best third basemen arguably were Robin and Matt Williams. Now Matt is the worst manager in majors, Robin certainly in lowest quartile.

That's the way the organization will replace Ventura. In that case I have no problem with him finishing his contract. I don't want another liked player, even Jim Thome.

 

here is most posters criticizing the owners on not hiring a manager with no experience yet, some are willing to give the managers job to Thome on a silver platter.... isn't that the same inconsistency that may have gotten the team in trouble???

some are willing to give the managers job to Thome on a silver platter

 

Who?

 

Anytime I've seen his name come up, it's because that's the type of guy the FO will hire. Not because that's who the person actually wants them to hire.

 

The typical post is "I'd like to see them hire ____ or ____ but they'll probably just hire someone like Jim Thome instead".

Back in the day, the two best third basemen arguably were Robin and Matt Williams. Now Matt is the worst manager in majors, Robin certainly in lowest quartile.

 

Plus the added presence of Buddy Bell.

 

They tried KW at third too, I think.

 

 

That would wipe out Konerko...not sure about Thome.

 

Juan Uribe, player-manager!!!

Edited September 10, 201510 yr by caulfield12

Plus the added presence of Buddy Bell.

 

They tried KW at third too, I think.

 

 

That would wipe out Konerko...not sure about Thome.

 

Juan Uribe, player-manager!!!

 

no way!!

 

btw wasn't Don Kessinger the last player manager the sox had???

Who?

 

Anytime I've seen his name come up, it's because that's the type of guy the FO will hire. Not because that's who the person actually wants them to hire.

 

The typical post is "I'd like to see them hire ____ or ____ but they'll probably just hire someone like Jim Thome instead".

 

I don't know if Thome would be interested, I've never heard or read him say anything on the subject one way or another.

 

I do know that Thome is very well respected and liked by JR, that he is an advisor to the team and that they are close.

 

Tony LaRussa told me that he and JR and Thome have had dinner together and that Jim's passion for the franchise was clearly evident.

 

Make of that what you will.

 

He does fit the profile though. Remember before Kenny talked Ventura into taking the job he offered it to Konerko as a "player-manager." Paul turned him down saying it would be to much for one guy.

 

Let's put it this way, I wouldn't be surprised to see Thome be offered the job at some point in the future. It would be so White Sox (i.e. we're smarter than everyone else with our hirings...)

 

Mark

Edited September 11, 201510 yr by Lip Man 1

If there was anyone in the history of coaches that did not deserve another year... I can't think of a many more.

 

No experience

No track record of success

 

But I still think a lot is to be determined by their final trend and record.

 

How many seasons does he have to manage before he has experience?