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QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 1, 2015 -> 09:28 PM)
Is there a way for one of the mods to unlock the offseason plan thread?

 

I feel like all these proposals would be better in one place. I'm not quite sure why that thread was locked anyway.

 

Because everyone was throwing everything into that thread and I guess people were complaining about have to read through it

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QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Dec 1, 2015 -> 09:31 PM)
Because everyone was throwing everything into that thread and I guess people were complaining about have to read through it

I would prefer to read everything in one place but that could just be me.

 

It's not a big deal, I was just wondering how it got closed originally. I enjoyed reading the posts there.

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QUOTE (bruni @ Dec 1, 2015 -> 04:26 PM)
Well gang, the Price deal (to me) officially seals the deal: The White Sox CAN NOT trade Q or Sale. There is no possible way to recoup the value that each is in terms of years of control and financial commitment left for the WSox. If I were Sale and Q, I'd be firing my agents for not having the foresight to anticipate the market for pitching. Security when young is one thing, but they cost themselves truckloads of $$.

 

Keep the pitching and keep attempting to build around it.

 

 

On the flip side, the Sox can get a lot more for these guys in the right trade as the asking price for cost controlled pitching just went up.

Everyone is tradeable, especially when you're a team with so many holes.

 

 

Bob

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QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 1, 2015 -> 09:28 PM)
Is there a way for one of the mods to unlock the offseason plan thread?

 

I feel like all these proposals would be better in one place. I'm not quite sure why that thread was locked anyway.

 

You should ask Chisoxfn

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QUOTE (Flash Tizzle @ Dec 1, 2015 -> 06:49 PM)
Wait, let's examine this. Their value is sky high........so we're not going to trade them?

 

I hope Hahn is willing to examine any possibility, every scenario, for improving this ballclub. If someone wants to overpay you hand either over immediately. And before the inevitable, " we'll never receive fair value," you base every trade proposal independent of others. What will we receive? How many of our holes are filled?

 

This is why us hardcore fans are the best and worst for trade scenarios. We understand our ballclub more than anyone else, but we're so blinded by fan loyalty and our own biases that we can't remove ourselves and make an impartial evaluation of this team. Unless there's a substantial and unexpected offensive upgrade across the entire team, we won't compete. Now, how can we improve that? Platooning Avila and Flowers is only a small step. Granted, there's time to upgrade and I'm not critizing Hahn (yet) but he's not going to build a playoff team based on FA. Someone needs to go, and more than likely, it's going to be Quintana.

 

 

QUOTE (LDF @ Dec 1, 2015 -> 07:23 PM)
the best case is to move a sp for those pieces to fix the team. esp in getting the rtn of some young pitchers as well.

 

They won't trade them because what team is going to pay the required and deservedly so asking price of both? Sox would not get equal value in trade for either of them because it would cost a ton to get them.

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QUOTE (Flash Tizzle @ Dec 1, 2015 -> 08:49 PM)
Wait, let's examine this. Their value is sky high........so we're not going to trade them?

 

I hope Hahn is willing to examine any possibility, every scenario, for improving this ballclub. If someone wants to overpay you hand either over immediately. And before the inevitable, " we'll never receive fair value," you base every trade proposal independent of others. What will we receive? How many of our holes are filled?

 

This is why us hardcore fans are the best and worst for trade scenarios. We understand our ballclub more than anyone else, but we're so blinded by fan loyalty and our own biases that we can't remove ourselves and make an impartial evaluation of this team. Unless there's a substantial and unexpected offensive upgrade across the entire team, we won't compete. Now, how can we improve that? Platooning Avila and Flowers is only a small step. Granted, there's time to upgrade and I'm not critizing Hahn (yet) but he's not going to build a playoff team based on FA. Someone needs to go, and more than likely, it's going to be Quintana.

 

This.

 

Only other way I see them turning things around is if they dip into the minors. There's not many guys down there you can trade who will get you what you need.

 

Would you rather A. Trade Q. B. Blow up the minors C. Count on Free Agents? D. Waiting for the Sox to develop some hitters could take awhile so you might as well do A.

 

Trade Q, get your small army of hitters, play for 2017 when you got Sale-Rodon-Fulmer-EJ and either someone like Montas/Adams/Danish/Guerrero/Beck or a veteran SP.

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QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 1, 2015 -> 09:46 PM)
They won't trade them because what team is going to pay the required and deservedly so asking price of both? Sox would not get equal value in trade for either of them because it would cost a ton to get them.

Exactly. The teams that have the pieces to do it I don't see pulling the trigger on a trade for Sale or Q, especially now that the Red Sox would probably be out of those sweepstakes.

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QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 1, 2015 -> 09:57 PM)
Why would it effect a deal with the Rockies? They weren't in on Price.

Price's contract just upped the value of Q's contract so any team trading for Q has to up their ante.

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QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Dec 1, 2015 -> 04:56 PM)
Only 2 options I see this team being good in the next year or 2 and sustaining that success into the future

 

1. Trade 1 of Sale, Q, Rodon

2. JR opens the payroll up to 140+ million

 

And I wouldn't count on option 2...

 

What about making smart baseball decisions, drafting well and good scouting and player development?

 

 

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QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 1, 2015 -> 06:36 PM)
Can also offer opt-out clauses after years 4, 5, and 6 as well. We'd get lucky and we wouldn't have to pay for his later years (not that he would even be that old on let's say an 8 year deal).

 

You gotta remember though, if he opts out , that means he is more than earning his contract and can find a better deal. If he is injured or under achieving, no way he opts out.

 

The opt out is an advantage for the player, not the team

 

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yes, someone like Arenado is how you get fair value on Quintana or Sale (they'd have to throw more in for Sale). Of course, I'm willing to trade Sale for fair value.

Quintana looks like someone who can pitch forever, to me.

You don't get fair value trading for the much beloved heron career years and declining veterans.

And we need to leave our best minor league pitchers alone...trading them is not getting full value.

 

or what about the prospect blocked by Arenado. Do due diligence on him and see if we can get him for EJ or the like.

 

On a side note, Price is worth that contract. He's twice as good as Zimmerman.

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QUOTE (GreenSox @ Dec 1, 2015 -> 11:26 PM)
yes, someone like Arenado is how you get fair value on Quintana or Sale (they'd have to throw more in for Sale). Of course, I'm willing to trade Sale for fair value.

Quintana looks like someone who can pitch forever, to me.

You don't get fair value trading for the much beloved heron career years and declining veterans.

And we need to leave our best minor league pitchers alone...trading them is not getting full value.

 

or what about the prospect blocked by Arenado. Do due diligence on him and see if we can get him for EJ or the like.

 

On a side note, Price is worth that contract. He's twice as good as Zimmerman.

You harp on endlessly about "hero worship" yet think Price is worth that contract?

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QUOTE (scs787 @ Dec 2, 2015 -> 03:47 AM)
This.

 

Only other way I see them turning things around is if they dip into the minors. There's not many guys down there you can trade who will get you what you need.

 

Would you rather A. Trade Q. B. Blow up the minors C. Count on Free Agents? D. Waiting for the Sox to develop some hitters could take awhile so you might as well do A.

 

Trade Q, get your small army of hitters, play for 2017 when you got Sale-Rodon-Fulmer-EJ and either someone like Montas/Adams/Danish/Guerrero/Beck or a veteran SP.

 

i would say trade Q for that army of players.... not only hitter, but players and hopeful a close to majors catcher.

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QUOTE (scs787 @ Dec 2, 2015 -> 04:38 AM)
That could take awhile.

 

agree and the sox do not have a while. i would even go to some of the teams that has comp picks and make a trade for that pick, to hurry the rebuilding of the minor team talent pool.... if only the sox would have over spent on 1 yr of int't draft.

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QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Dec 2, 2015 -> 06:06 AM)
You harp on endlessly about "hero worship" yet think Price is worth that contract?

 

no offense but i agree with the idea that price is worth his contract.

 

he help shows the fan base including the season ticket holder and the fans with premium seating that they are out for business.

we help in more local adv coming in, to the stadium adv, players adv, team logo selling adv, local tv commercial adv, more new corp adv money.... and help with the tv games for out of st fans. plus many more i can't even think.

 

the rtn on the invested money will be a whirl wind.

 

this is why i said and mention signing a Heyward, plus getting an additional sp on the cheap, and 1 very smart and savvy trade to replenish the system, will do wonders for the sox, maybe not like bos. the sox needs a big influx of positive media to do what they can't afford like getting of a Price contract.

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