GGajewski18 Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 10:33 PM) I've been pretty irrational through this process with Cespedes. Both raBBit & Y2Jimmy both know that. But, how can anyone be pissed at the Sox for how this all came together? Gordon wanted to go back to KC, same with Cespedes in NYM, & Upton didn't want to be here & got 6 years. What exactly was Hahn supposed to do? Let's cool off & think rationally before blurting out some insult at the Sox organization or Hahn in general. This x100 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 QUOTE (ozzfest @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 10:33 PM) hello third place! Lucky us, as we play in the most stacked division in baseball. We can realistically finish anywhere from 2nd-5th, honestly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan85 Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 10:33 PM) I've been pretty irrational through this process with Cespedes. Both raBBit & Y2Jimmy both know that. But, how can anyone be pissed at the Sox for how this all came together? Gordon wanted to go back to KC, same with Cespedes in NYM, & Upton didn't want to be here & got 6 years. What exactly was Hahn supposed to do? Let's cool off & think rationally before blurting out some insult at the Sox organization or Hahn in general. You hit the nail right on the head. There are still some pretty strong pieces out there that would make the White Sox a more well rounded and better overall team than "one" Cespedes could do. They just have to go get them...and they better do it next week before Soxfest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 10:34 PM) Still just hope that if they were in on Cespedes that they use that money elsewhere in the next few weeks. If the Sox really wanted to, I think they can get Desmond & Fowler for under 27.5 million for 2016. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 10:35 PM) Nats did a great job upping the price. And the Orioles with Davis and the deferred money idea... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 10:32 PM) With LaRoche/Danks coming off the books this year, we'd save some money to be able to backload a deal. The White Sox have more than enough resources to exceed our current payroll. Cespedes is getting $27.5 million for 2016. There is no backloading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Did Twitter blow up? Didn't check. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 10:34 PM) Still just hope that if they were in on Cespedes that they use that money elsewhere in the next few weeks. It will be interesting to see. I'm not sure there are improvements out there. EJ needs a shot in the rotation. Desmond is interesting but the sox need defebse there for the pitching staff. Edited January 23, 2016 by ptatc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Dan Hayes had a melt down...so that was worth it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vance Law Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 08:38 PM) Cespedes is getting $27.5 million for 2016. There is no backloading. Don't say facts. Complain irrationally!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 10:37 PM) If the Sox really wanted to, I think they can get Desmond & Fowler for under 27.5 million for 2016. ...while giving up 2 draft picks in the process. Hell no to that idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 23, 2016 -> 05:39 AM) It will be interesting to see. I'm not sure there are improvements out there. EJ needs a shot in the rotation. Desmond is interesting but the sox need defebse there for the oitching staff. Where did the notion come that Desmond is bad on D? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jan 23, 2016 -> 05:40 AM) ...while giving up 2 draft picks in the process. Hell no to that idea. You gain one back next year if you sign one of them to 1-year deal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 10:37 PM) If the Sox really wanted to, I think they can get Desmond & Fowler for under 27.5 million for 2016. It's hard for me to think of a move that would hurt are overall team defense, which is already pretty bad, but this would be one of them. Sadly, these are a couple of the only options out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSox Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 QUOTE (Baron @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 08:39 PM) Dan Hayes had a melt down...so that was worth it It's funny that anyone thinks Dan has any info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 10:37 PM) If the Sox really wanted to, I think they can get Desmond & Fowler for under 27.5 million for 2016. The problem is those two draft picks are arguably worth another $20 million in short/long-term (draft pool and lost cost-controlled WAR over time) consequences historically. Unless you just assume that the Sox don't have another Adams selection in them. Hostetler deserves the benefit of the doubt. But, as I said, if they do sign one, go for it and sign both...pick a direction, any direction will do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southwest Sider Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 10:33 PM) I've been pretty irrational through this process with Cespedes. Both raBBit & Y2Jimmy both know that. But, how can anyone be pissed at the Sox for how this all came together? Gordon wanted to go back to KC, same with Cespedes in NYM, & Upton didn't want to be here & got 6 years. What exactly was Hahn supposed to do? Let's cool off & think rationally before blurting out some insult at the Sox organization or Hahn in general. It feels so crappy that no player would want to come here, though. It speaks volumes as to how this organization is viewed by players. IN the case of Upton, it seems like he pretty much told the Sox he wasn't interested. If players are doing that, things need to change. That is unacceptable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 10:40 PM) ...while giving up 2 draft picks in the process. Hell no to that idea. I was just proving a point for what we could get for that 27.5 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Desmond is a Washington National coming off a year in which he hit .232. I know, I know, the whole Dunn/LaRoche Nationals thing is just a coincidence, but Desmond still has warning signs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vance Law Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 08:41 PM) It's hard for me to think of a move that would hurt are overall team defense, which is already pretty bad, but this would be one of them. Sadly, these are a couple of the only options out there. You are misinformed on Desmond and Fowler's defense. Especially with Fowler moving to a corner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 QUOTE (South Sider @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 10:42 PM) It feels so crappy that no player would want to come here, though. It speaks volumes as to how this organization is viewed by players. IN the case of Upton, it seems like he pretty much told the Sox he wasn't interested. If players are doing that, things need to change. That is unacceptable. Robertson and Melky turned down better offers to come here just one year ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 10:40 PM) Where did the notion come that Desmond is bad on D? Looking at his error total in isolation, especially the first couple of months when he was surely distracted by the overhanging contract negotiations. This is the same player a year ago who would have broken the all-time Sox recorded contract offer by nearly $40 million. He has some game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 10:40 PM) Where did the notion come that Desmond is bad on D? I guess it really is more that "is his offense over saladino enough to make up the contract and the pick" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knackattack Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 08:41 PM) It's hard for me to think of a move that would hurt are overall team defense, which is already pretty bad, but this would be one of them. Sadly, these are a couple of the only options out there. Fowler > Avi and Desmond is regarded as average to above average at short, which we don't know Saladino can be. Fowler + Desmond >>> Cespedes. That said, I'd prefer Austin Jackson and Desmond to save a pick. Still adds 20+ HR to the team and Jackson is a great CF. Edited January 23, 2016 by Knackattack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB2.0 Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Where is this $27.5M first year that I keep seeing? Anyone have a link to contract details? Makes no sense to pay him A-ROD $, with a 1-year opt out, and an NTC....all over 3 years and $75M. That first year $ has to be BS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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