People love prospects way too much.

 

We still have ANDERSON AND FULMER.

This trade sucks

nah

John Fay ‏@johnfayman 28s28 seconds ago

I speak for the all the media when I say Frazier will be missed. Standup guy. Treated everyone the same. Good with a gag too. #reds

https://twitter.com/johnfayman

Dan Hayes ‏@CSNHayes 3m3 minutes ago

Over the last three seasons, Todd Frazier's 18 Defensive Runs Saved are fifth among all third baseman in the majors. #WhiteSox

The negativity about this trade is unbelievable.

 

What Trayce did in the last month is the type of player he is going to be.

 

Probably a 75% chance Montas is a reliever, and I'm not even sold he'll be successful at one.

Except we didn't really trade "the future". We traded flawed players that needed a lot to go right to be "the future". The Future is still here in Anderson, Fulmer, and Adams.

Yo're right. I just typed "future" as shorthand.

 

Some people held the opinions being expressed at high volumes in this thread weeks ago, and credit to them. I will just say that I bet if we had polled the board on Montas, Micah, and Trayce three hours ago, the result would have been a lot different than it looks now. It is common practice to minimize the talent of the players your team trades away.

 

Once again: In a vacuum, fair trade. If we're done, I don't like it. If we get an outfielder, I like it.

Even just signing Parra for RF is an immense offensive, and defensive improvement and would probably make this team an instant contender.

 

Parra is an enigma. Dudes defensive WAR has drastically declined the last two years. If we're talking '11-13 Parra, definitely.

Except we didn't really trade "the future". We traded flawed players that needed a lot to go right to be "the future". The Future is still here in Anderson, Fulmer, and Adams.

If anyone is upset about trading Thompson and Johnson then you need to use google a bit more. Thompson is less promising than Brian Anderson was.

JJ Cooper ‏@jjcoop36 2m2 minutes ago

Should say, I LOVE the trade for the White Sox. Traded 3 solid but likely complimentary pieces for solid everyday 3B.

So we gave up 2 guys with no discernible future, and a good arm, to get 2 years of Frazier.

 

In true SoxTalk fashion, the end of the world is near, due to the lose of Trayce Effin Thompson...c'mon people...

Avi and LaRoche, I'll give you as "worthless". But, IMO, Melky's RBI's/average gives him worth, as does Saladino's defense, and the catchers, given that it's by far the weakest position in baseball.

I agree. And I don't understand the hate on our catchers, Avila used to be one of the top LH hitting catchers around and Navarro has been consistently strong as an offensive C. Platooned correctly and we will probably have one of the highest catcher WAR's in the AL. We're probably going to see 20 HR out of those two to top it off.

 

Some people just can't be pleased. They are probably the same people that would have told you last week we didn't have the bullets to get Frazier without Fulmer/Anderson and now that Hahn did it they have to find a way to be pissed off. They'll also be the same people cheering for him when he puts up an .800 OPS for 7.5 m next season

Avi and LaRoche, I'll give you as "worthless". But, IMO, Melky's RBI's/average gives him worth, as does Saladino's defense, and the catchers, given that it's by far the weakest position in baseball.

It's OK to have mediocre catchers if the rest of the lineup is good. It's even OK to have a SS with limited offensive ability if the rest of the lineup is good. It's not OK to have a corner OF who can't do anything well, and another who needs roids to be an above-average player. You can't have all of the above, plus a DH who is just cashing a check before he goes back down south to live out his Duck Dynasty fantasy.

 

The Sox are roughly the same team they were yesterday.

The negativity about this trade is unbelievable.

 

What Trayce did in the last month is the type of player he is going to be.

 

Probably a 75% chance Montas is a reliever, and I'm not even sold he'll be successful at one.

Isn't it really like 5 people that are negative vs. 25+ that are positive? I think their is a segment, including myself, that views this deal as positive as long as it isn't the final piece. If we are going to contend, we need to build a team that truly can contend. That team exists if we find a significant upgrade in the OF (offensively and defensively). Anything more, at that point, is gravy. I think the package with the Reds was fair and I love the fact that Frazier can play above average D. Only thing I don't like about Frazier's game is the lack of OBP.

It's OK to have mediocre catchers if the rest of the lineup is good. It's even OK to have a SS with limited offensive ability if the rest of the lineup is good. It's not OK to have a corner OF who can't do anything well, and another who needs roids to be an above-average player. You can't have all of the above, plus a DH who is just cashing a check before he goes back down south to live out his Duck Dynasty fantasy.

 

The Sox are roughly the same team they were yesterday.

This I don't agree with. The Sox are better than they were yesterday. They just need to stick the landing.

It's OK to have mediocre catchers if the rest of the lineup is good. It's even OK to have a SS with limited offensive ability if the rest of the lineup is good. It's not OK to have a corner OF who can't do anything well, and another who needs roids to be an above-average player. You can't have all of the above, plus a DH who is just cashing a check before he goes back down south to live out his Duck Dynasty fantasy.

 

The Sox are roughly the same team they were yesterday.

The Sox are about 3-4 WAR better than they were yesterday, which is about 5-6 WAR better than the end of the year. Add in that we managed to dump Shark and all we need is a meager improvement in the outfield to be in contention for the division.

It's OK to have mediocre catchers if the rest of the lineup is good. It's even OK to have a SS with limited offensive ability if the rest of the lineup is good. It's not OK to have a corner OF who can't do anything well, and another who needs roids to be an above-average player. You can't have all of the above, plus a DH who is just cashing a check before he goes back down south to live out his Duck Dynasty fantasy.

 

The Sox are roughly the same team they were yesterday.

 

Soooo...you think an infield of Abreu/Sanchez/Saladino/Lawrie is the same as Abreu/Lawrie/Saladino/Frazier?

 

Mmm-hmm...tell me more about baseball.

David Haugh ‏@DavidHaugh 3m3 minutes ago

Jose Abreu's reaction to White Sox trade for Todd Frazier, in English from El Floridita: "He's a good player who can hit. I love it."

 

Side note, good for Jose. He's been working hard to learn English.

If you replace Avi Garcia with Justin Upton, I don't think any team in the division has a better line-up, and our starting pitching is top tier as well.

 

Eaton

Melky

Abreu

Upton

Frazier

LaRoche

Lawrie

Avila/Navarro

Saladino

 

That's a strong line-up with some decent speed and power. Not to mention you have one of the best defensive left sides of the infield in baseball

 

Maaaan... if you go out and get Upton and have LaRoche's rejuvenated bat in the middle of that order. You might really have something.

Maaaan... if you go out and get Upton and have LaRoche's rejuvenated bat in the middle of that order. You might really have something.

There is a small part of me that is ecstatic about next season... there's a very small chance that everyone has years to their career averages with some of the younger guys improving, and we'd be a playoff team.

This I don't agree with. The Sox are better than they were yesterday.

Nah. Your acting is if they added a 4+ WAR player the past two years with elite D and solid power at our weakest position or something.

Greensox and Alexeihyeess would find a reason to complain if they found a million dollars on the ground.

 

It wasn't a mint 2015-$1,000,000 bill, but instead of a bill from 1986. It's garbage.

This I don't agree with. The Sox are better than they were yesterday. They just need to stick the landing.

They are still a team that can catch fire because they have starting pitching in spades, but can easily wallow because Sale/Q/Rodon won't get any run support and everything collapses. Losing Samardzija is still probably the best move of this offseason.

Nah. Your acting is if they added a 4+ WAR player the past two years with elite D and solid power at our weakest position or something.

Lol

Was already planning on that. At least this year when they're below .500 I won't be nearly as annoyed, I just won't care.

 

And maybe we won't have to read the negative Nancy BS you spew on here everyday. Do us all a favor...

Is Frazier's defense really elite? I know it's above average, but I didn't think it was that good.

Edited December 16, 201510 yr by Jose Abreu