President Donald Trump: The Thread

[Dick Allen]

If she was told that, she was told that. Even if it isn't true, and it hasn't been verified false, it doesn't make her a liar. Look at the commercial. Everyone on it was told something different than the DNA test stated. Are they all liars?

 

 

[RockRaines]

Even under the worst possible light - that Warren used some vague family stories to capitalize on some possible Cherokee ancestry - that in no way excuses Trump's insulting use of that nickname. And bringing it up in response to Trump's continued idiocy is a purely defensive reaction to obscure the point.

Exactly. I can’t believe this is being used to try and excuse blatant racist remarks.

[StrangeSox]

It wasn't until she started applying to teach at Harvard and other universities that she started characterizing herself as a minority.

 

Curiously, there are no links provided to back up this claim, which would be by far the most damning thing.

[Balta1701]

Exactly. I can’t believe this is being used to try and excuse blatant racist remarks.

Really? No seriously, there's a level of racist stuff that "you can't believe" this country is capable of? After the last year?

[Balta1701]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/gop-strategist-s...-082052295.html

 

 

GOP strategist Rick Wilson, a frequent Trump critic, said on CNN on Monday night that Sanders knows she’s lying but does it anyway.

 

“The reason she does that is because her job is contingent upon her being a serial congenital liar in defense of Donald Trump’s latest outrages,” he said. “I mean, she probably has some like tiny, shriveled husk left in her soul where she realizes this is the wrong thing to do. But she does it anyway because otherwise they’ll replace her.”

 

Wilson was just getting warmed up.

 

He said Sanders “tries to bury people in an avalanche of horse s*** every day because this is her job.”

Dude...I'm pretty sure you have just posted the official job ad for the position of the White House Press Secretary.

[RockRaines]

Really? No seriously, there's a level of racist stuff that "you can't believe" this country is capable of? After the last year?

On this site? Yes. I always think we are above that fray.

 

On another note, boy that Project Veritas is corrupt as f*** huh?

[Balta1701]

On this site? Yes. I always think we are above that fray.

 

On another note, boy that Project Veritas is corrupt as f*** huh?

Then you should count this as a lesson about what is lying in the background waiting to come to the surface. I thought that this country was made up of better people until last year.

[Quin]

On this site? Yes. I always think we are above that fray.

 

On another note, boy that Project Veritas is corrupt as f*** huh?

 

Talked about briefly in the Dem thread, but yeah, anything James O'Keefe and Project Veritas touch is liable to be a piece of s***. ACORN, PP and CNN vids in the past, but the Washington Post clapped back with extreme source vetting.

 

O'Keefe then posted a video of a WashPo employee basically explaining how a newsroom works because op-eds exist. This was his proof of whatever stupid thing he was trying to sell.

 

Also worth noting, Trump (or at least his charity foundation) has donated to Veritas in the past.

 

[Quin]

On this site? Yes. I always think we are above that fray.

 

On another note, boy that Project Veritas is corrupt as f*** huh?

 

Talked about briefly in the Dem thread, but yeah, anything James O'Keefe and Project Veritas touch is liable to be a piece of s***. ACORN, PP and CNN vids in the past, but the Washington Post clapped back with extreme source vetting.

 

O'Keefe then posted a video of a WashPo employee basically explaining how a newsroom works because op-eds exist. This was his proof of whatever stupid thing he was trying to sell.

 

Also worth noting, Trump (or at least his charity foundation) has donated to Veritas in the past.

 

[RockRaines]

Talked about briefly in the Dem thread, but yeah, anything James O'Keefe and Project Veritas touch is liable to be a piece of s***. ACORN, PP and CNN vids in the past, but the Washington Post clapped back with extreme source vetting.

 

O'Keefe then posted a video of a WashPo employee basically explaining how a newsroom works because op-eds exist. This was his proof of whatever stupid thing he was trying to sell.

 

Also worth noting, Trump (or at least his charity foundation) has donated to Veritas in the past.

I saw the story where he tried to seduce a CNN reporter with a boat full of secret cameras and sex toys? WTF

[StrangeSox]

Talked about briefly in the Dem thread, but yeah, anything James O'Keefe and Project Veritas touch is liable to be a piece of s***. ACORN, PP and CNN vids in the past, but the Washington Post clapped back with extreme source vetting.

 

O'Keefe then posted a video of a WashPo employee basically explaining how a newsroom works because op-eds exist. This was his proof of whatever stupid thing he was trying to sell.

 

Also worth noting, Trump (or at least his charity foundation) has donated to Veritas in the past.

 

PV released the "Full Video" of O'Keefe's discussion with the WaPo reporters...which had two embarrassing minutes of O'Keefe dodging questions edited out that WaPo included in their actual full video.

 

The guy's a lying hack and he knows it, but he makes hundreds of thousands of dollars for spreading conservative propaganda. The DoJ is even using some of their videos in Disrupt J20 prosecutions.

 

On Wednesday, U.S. attorneys will begin prosecuting people arrested at President Donald Trump’s inauguration. Among the defendants is Dylan Petrohilos, whom prosecutors are trying to convict based on a podcast and a sting video by conservative provocateur James O’Keefe.

 

Petrohilos is one of nearly 200 people standing trial for their alleged participation in an anti-Trump protest, where some people broke windows and damaged vehicles. But an indictment portrays the incident as a riot, worthy of decades in prison for all alleged participants. Those defendants, some of whom go to trial on Wednesday, include journalists, peaceful protesters, and Petrohilos who says he wasn’t even in the area at the time of the protests. Prosecutors say Petrohilos’s alleged participation in the protest’s planning is enough to convict him.

 

Petrohilos says he wasn’t even at the protests. But he’s scheduled to go to trial in April 2018 with a group of defendants accused of organizing the anti-Trump march.

[StrangeSox]

I saw the story where he tried to seduce a CNN reporter with a boat full of secret cameras and sex toys? WTF

 

He's also a convicted criminal

[southsider2k5]

Actual Indians also take it as an insulting racial slur

 

Then again Indians is really a racial slur as it is a western construct based on faulty history and the dismantling of the natives established nations and tribes in a very successful effort to dehumanize them.

[Quin]

He's also a convicted criminal

 

And has been cited by Sarah Huckabee Sanders in a presser!

[StrangeSox]

Then again Indians is really a racial slur as it is a western construct based on faulty history and the dismantling of the natives established nations and tribes in a very successful effort to dehumanize them.

 

At least according to 1491 and the National Museum of the American Indian, American Indian is generally the preferred collective term among actual indigenous people in the US, so not really.

 

What is the correct terminology: American Indian, Indian, Native American, or Native?

All of these terms are acceptable. The consensus, however, is that whenever possible, Native people prefer to be called by their specific tribal name. In the United States, Native American has been widely used but is falling out of favor with some groups, and the terms American Indian or indigenous American are preferred by many Native people.

 

When the targeted group doesn't think "American Indian" is derogatory or a slur, but does find Trump's use of "Pocahontas" to be so, it's kinda hard to argue that it's in no way racial and actually has "comedic value."

[southsider2k5]

At least according to 1491 and the National Museum of the American Indian, American Indian is generally the preferred collective term among actual indigenous people in the US, so not really.

 

 

 

When the targeted group doesn't think "American Indian" is derogatory or a slur, but does find Trump's use of "Pocahontas" to be so, it's kinda hard to argue that it's in no way racial and actually has "comedic value."

 

It might be "accepted", but that doesn't change what it is, or the history behind it. We spent centuries referring to black people in the country by the N word, and they accepted it. Didn't change anything behind the word at all.

[Quin]

Then again Indians is really a racial slur as it is a western construct based on faulty history and the dismantling of the natives established nations and tribes in a very successful effort to dehumanize them.

 

Bring back the Cleveland Spiders. Or just give them something related to Rock & Roll.

[StrangeSox]

It might be "accepted", but that doesn't change what it is, or the history behind it. We spent centuries referring to black people in the country by the N word, and they accepted it. Didn't change anything behind the word at all.

 

Was the "n word" ever the term the black Americans preferred to be called?

 

Actual indigenous people in the US prefer the term American Indian generally (and their actual tribe more specifically, it'd be like calling everyone from Europe "European" and never distinguishing between Brits, French, Germans, Italians, etc.). It's not about it being an "accepted" term among white people to use about others but what the group itself prefers. Calling people their own preferred term is respectful and not a racial slur.

 

Using Pocahontas as an insult is a racial slur as actual American Indians are saying that's how they take it. There is no equivalency here no matter how hard you try to force it.

[RockRaines]

Fox News currently talking about Hillary's emails, so something good is about to happen.

[BigSqwert]

Fox News currently talking about Hillary's emails, so something good is about to happen.

 

It's amazing how much juice they're trying to get out of this when so many in the current administration literally have done the same thing (i.e., using personal email).

[Iwritecode]

[StrangeSox]

I saw the story where he tried to seduce a CNN reporter with a boat full of secret cameras and sex toys? WTF

https://twitter.com/KagroX/status/935562763912478720

 

[NorthSideSox72]

The term "Indian" is a misnomer but was never looked at as derogatory. In fact after that term came into play, then the shift to Native American, it was the native groups themselves (along with anthropologists) who settled back in American Indians.

 

Indian is in no way comparable to, say, Redskins.

 

But this is all semantics and yet again trying to obscure the main points. Trump stood in front of a picture of Andrew f***ing Jackson, and used some childish insult against someone not in the room that diminished actual native peoples, at a ceremony to honor Navajo Dine. Just acknowledge that Trump is the worst and move on.

 

[pettie4sox]

The term "Indian" is a misnomer but was never looked at as derogatory. In fact after that term came into play, then the shift to Native American, it was the native groups themselves (along with anthropologists) who settled back in American Indians.

 

Indian is in no way comparable to, say, Redskins.

 

But this is all semantics and yet again trying to obscure the main points. Trump stood in front of a picture of Andrew f***ing Jackson, and used some childish insult against someone not in the room that diminished actual native peoples, at a ceremony to honor Navajo Dine. Just acknowledge that Trump is the worst and move on.

 

Hilary Clinton's emails.

[Soxbadger]

Sounds like other people took the "Pocahontas" remark as an insult:

 

https://thinkprogress.org/why-eric-trumps-p...r-fd17de86b6e4/

 

These are from Dr. John Norwood, general secretary of the Alliance of Colonial Era Tribes:

 

“The general use of the name is not — Pocahontas was a historic figure, so just simply using the name is not a racial slur,” Norwood, who is a member of the Nanticoke Lenni-Lenape Tribal Nation, said. “However, the use of it in a derogatory fashion to insult someone degrades the name and all it represents, and then it becomes a racial slur. The president was attacking a claim by Senator Warren about American Indian ancestry, and to insult that claim by calling her ‘Pocahontas’ turns the name into a racial slur.”

 

However, the use of it in a derogatory fashion to insult someone degrades the name and all it represents, and then it becomes a racial slur. The president was attacking a claim by Senator Warren about American Indian ancestry, and to insult that claim by calling her ‘Pocahontas’ turns the name into a racial slur.

 

I guess some on this board might find this "silly."

Edited November 28, 2017 by Soxbadger