Buehrle>Wood Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 05:41 PM) You're saying this off morcompletelyn Eaton's 300jerked-bats? Santiago is nice labor for the price but has anyone here honestly touted his ceiling..like at all? He has a near elite K rate and an ERA of 3.30 in his season's worth of starts so far. This after being completely misused and jerked around by the organization. If people aren't touting his ceiling they should be, because he's shown it to be pretty high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 06:56 PM) We're going to give up Santiago for a guy who might stick as a starting CF but could end up a 4th OF?????? But he's a grinder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 11:59 AM) But he's a grinder And white. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Going to make a prediction... By the time this is done, it will be a 4-team trade, and most of us will be happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank_Thomas Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 11:58 AM) He has a near elite K rate and an ERA of 3.30 in his season's worth of starts so far. This after being completely misused and jerked around by the organization. If people aren't touting his ceiling they should be, because he's shown it to be pretty high. While he has been great, I think the Sox trade record of trading young pitchers has turned out pretty well for the Franchise in the past... I also think we can come about a 3rd SP ceiling guy easily in the upcoming draft or finding another young pitcher and workin on him like we did with Qunitana. I just think overreacting trading Santiago without knowing what we are getting in return and judging a guy for 300 at bats is a little premature. Let's let it pan out and see the deal and what the sox do the rest of the week/offseason. Santiago is replaceable, there is no arguing that, and I trust Hahn to get his values worth from him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 I hope we get Kendrick as well. Eaton for Santiago? Seems like the Sox could do better, and I'm not even a huge fan of Santiago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank_Thomas Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 11:59 AM) And white. LMAo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 12:02 PM) Going to make a prediction... By the time this is done, it will be a 4-team trade, and most of us will be happy. Aren't 4-team trades very rare? However, that would be interesting. I think if the Sox get one more piece (a solid prospect), most of us will be happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank_Thomas Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 12:04 PM) Aren't 4-team trades very rare? However, that would be interesting. I think if the Sox get one more piece (a solid prospect), most of us will be happy. Agreed, or Eaton ad Kendrick, would suit me just fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian310 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 11:56 AM) We're going to give up Santiago for a guy who might stick as a starting CF but could end up a 4th OF?????? Better than having a guy why might stick as a starting pitcher (in a rotation that already has 3 lefties) but could end up a reliever. Edited December 10, 2013 by chisoxfan310 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Now hearing they're pushing for Quintana instead? I guess he wont be hanging out at that Colombian restaurant in Rogers Park anymore... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 11:58 AM) He has a near elite K rate and an ERA of 3.30 in his season's worth of starts so far. This after being completely misused and jerked around by the organization. If people aren't touting his ceiling they should be, because he's shown it to be pretty high. He also walks 4.5 guys per 9, doesn't last long when he starts because he's inefficient, and he throws a lot of flyballs. He has a lot of talent, but also has a lot to work on too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 12:05 PM) Now hearing they're pushing for Quintana instead? I guess he wont be hanging out at that Colombian restaurant in Rogers Park anymore... If they are pushing for Quintana, I imagine the Sox are going to require a ton more or they'll flat out drop out of negotiations. That've been pretty blatant about their desire to keep Quintana. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Wouldn't be shocked to see Dunn thrown into the deal to DH for the Angels and take Trumbos spot in the lineup. That may be why the Sox would be giving up a prospect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Better than having a guy currentight stick as a starting pitcher (in a rotation that already has 3 lefties) but could end up a reliever. Saying Santiago "might stick" as a starter is laughable at this point. Using 3 lefties in our current rotation as a reason behind this trade even more so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 12:05 PM) Now hearing they're pushing for Quintana instead? I guess he wont be hanging out at that Colombian restaurant in Rogers Park anymore... Quintana for Eaton is crazy. Where ya hear that from Jose? I'm sure there's more to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 12:07 PM) Saying Santiago "might stick" as a starter is laughable at this point. Using 3 lefties in our current rotation as a reason behind this trade even more so. Saying he could either take a step forward with his control, command, and ability to throw groundballs is just as far fetched. I really like Santiago, but he is probably the most realistic piece the Sox can deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 @SteveGilbertMLB said, Dbacks would get two prospects in this proposed trade. I'm told one from Angels, one from White Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian310 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 12:07 PM) Saying Santiago "might stick" as a starter is laughable at this point. Using 3 lefties in our current rotation as a reason behind this trade even more so. Santiago also isn't very good chief. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 12:08 PM) Quintana for Eaton is crazy. Where ya hear that from Jose? I'm sure there's more to it. Bruce Levine tweeted that it could be Santiago or Quintana. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 (edited) 'Dealing from a surplus' as a major consideration would be stupid if we saw ourselves as years and years away. But signing Abreu, a 26 yr old, means they want to win in 2015. Be up and coming in 2014. You mold the (eventual) winning team, in part, now. Edited December 10, 2013 by Jose Paniagua Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 12:07 PM) Saying Santiago "might stick" as a starter is laughable at this point. Using 3 lefties in our current rotation as a reason behind this trade even more so. It's not laughable. He hasn't stuck as SP yet, and he currently doesn't throw enough strikes to do so. He's a work in progress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 06:09 PM) Saying he could either take doesn'tep forward with his cohe'sol, command, and ability to throw groundballs is just as far fetched. I really like Santiago, but he is probably the most realistic piece the Sox can deal. No, it's not. To perform as well as he has despite his complete mishandling is a minor miracle. Even if he doesn't take a step forward, he's fine forwhat he is and isnt being dropped from the rotation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ultimate Champion Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 01:03 PM) While he has been great, I think the Sox trade record of trading young pitchers has turned out pretty well for the Franchise in the past... I also think we can come about a 3rd SP ceiling guy easily in the upcoming draft or finding another young pitcher and workin on him like we did with Qunitana. I just think overreacting trading Santiago without knowing what we are getting in return and judging a guy for 300 at bats is a little premature. Let's let it pan out and see the deal and what the sox do the rest of the week/offseason. Santiago is replaceable, there is no arguing that, and I trust Hahn to get his values worth from him. This. We trade someone like Sale & now we have all these new holes & expectations to be met. Trade Santiago OTOH & you need a #3 SP type value in return to replace him, and with the right moves you may be able to even exceed that. Worst case we make a bad move, bring in a couple busts or something, but losing Santiago doesn't really hurt our forward progress. Moves like this will get the Sox where they need to go. If this Eaton dude did work out then just imagine how much better we'd feel having another position player to pencil into our next contending team. I hope we can get 2 good future players out of Santiago and a prospect or 2 here, that would be nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Bowie Kendrick is included in the deal according to Chris Cotillo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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