vilehoopster

Total speculation.

I agree with this. I posted this a few pages earlier on this post. Something is going to happen tomorrow, a serious meeting with Jerry and Hahn and LaRussa. What happened on this road trip, as said, can’t be shrugged off. LaRussa will probably survive but he is gonna have to make concessions of some sort. I would guess that Leary playing every day is one of them. When Stone tweeted that Garcia, however he said it, doesn’t have a place or shouldn’t be on this team, that comment came with the blessings of Sox management.

For someone who was supposed to be a big power guy, has Colas hit a home run yet this year. I try to check box scores every night and don’t remember seeing him hit one.

I agree; he has lost the team. Players want to win. If he hadn’t already lost it, he lost it when he played that triple-A lineup in 2nd game of Cleveland doubleheader.

Jerry’s friend or not, add this to the playing Garcia every day and all the other crazy batshit stuff, and I have to believe TLR’s seat is flaming hot. Real meetings back in Chicago tomorrow with both Rick and Jerry sitting in. It seems it absolutely has to happen. I don’t think he’ll be fired, there has to be some real discussions tomorrow.

This Gio thing, like so many Sox injuries, seems so odd. We hear that it's nothing, then just it goes on and on. With Gio, it was some abdominal pain, and he just came out as a precaution; that's what I heard on the radio during and after the game, talked about how cold it was and a good idea to get him out. Later on it changed to was going to be maybe, worst case, sit out a start. Then it became sit out two starts. Then he was on 10 IL. It seems these thing just grow and go on forever. No where near as bad, but a lot like Engel's thing last year. Is my memory correct, that he pulled that hamstring in spring training? It seemed he was always about to return, but really, he never returned for any time at all and would go right back on the IL. He was more or less out out the entire year. I just looked it up. He only played in 39 games last year, for a hamstring injury in spring ball. Now Gio, originally out as a precaution, out, at least two starts. Let's hope only two starts.

Am I correct that Cespedes, regardless of how good his defense is or his homers/ power, that he’s not going to be seriously considered for the White Sox until he solves his strike out problem? Isn’t that his major concern that needs fixing. Plus, how does one fix that. Learn patience? A better eye to tell a slider from a fastball? What do you do?

Let me start out with an immature "I told you so". So, here goes, about three weeks ago, I said on here, that if we shared an office or worked together and could do a handshake bet, I would bet and give ten to one odds that the Sox would not sign Conforto. Some people called me on that wanting to bet, and I said that it was not realistic (I had no desire) for me to do online bets, but that if we worked together, I would bet $10 or $20 dollars and give that 10 to 1 odds that the Sox wouldn't sign Conforto. I even commented that I if we made the bet, I would feel like I was stealing money from you; that how unlikely I thought it was that the Sox would sign him. Well, with the Pollack trade, I think I can say that I'm have been proven correct. Here's my next metaphorical bet. If I worked with you and someone gave me odds, five to one, you pay me $50 to my $10; I would bet you that Keuchel gets more wins this year than Rodon. ERA, Whip, I don't give a shit about that; Rodon can great in with stats and still not be pitching in August. But wins are accumulated over the entire season; those I would bet on. I believe that with his high cost, the Sox are going to put Keuchel out there every 5th day,or close to that, as long as they can, which I believe will be most of the season. Keuchel doesn't get hurt, as opposed to Rodon. I believe Keuchel will be pitching for the Sox in August into September. I would make that bet; hell, I'd make it at three to one odds. I don't feel as confident about this one (really it's a prediction, not a bet since I won't do it online), as I did about the Conforto one, but I would take that bet, certainly I would take it at five to one.

This is some serious revisionist history here, not close to reality. I just checked the box score and play by play to make sure my memory wasn’t wrong about how bad Rodon was in this game. It wasn’t. He was terrible. 1st inning, he survives a lead off double and Houston doesn’t score. He got a couple strikeouts to strand man on 3rd. This must have been when he was throwing 99. 2nd inning, lead off single, an out later Tucker flies out to warning track. If he was throwing 99, Tucker was barely, barely missing. Can I claim Rodon was more lucky than good this inning. Now things turn ugly: 3rd inning. Starts with a strikeout, that’s good. Than a hit batter, than a flyout, so two out. Now real ugly, walk and another walk, now Bases loaded. A double and two guys score and runners on 2nd and 3rd. Kopech comes in and gets last out stranding those two base runners. To portray that outing as “he gave up some baserunners and two runs” is totally inaccurate. His arm was cooked by the 3rd inning (a hbp, 2 walks, double) before he could get eight outs. The results clearly show that. I would argue his arm was cooked from the first few pitches and he very was lucky the first two innings. But whatever; but my point is that it not realistic to claim that Rodon had a healthy arm to pitch well in this game.

I was happy with what we got from Keuchel. If he stays our 5th starter and gives us all year what he gave against Seattle, I think Sox will easily win the division and be serious World Series contenders. But that’s assuming (hoping??) he’s our 5th starter all season and we keep four starters better than Dallas and keep him as 5th man. I also think tonight with Cease will show a lot. Has he really taken another significant step forward, or was his 1st outing just a beating Detroit thing?

I am really surprised people bemoaning the Sox not outbidding SF for Rodin. Are our memories this short? He was outstanding last year then he wore down. A total non-factor after August 1st. A total non-factor after August and that was his best/ healthiest year in five years, since 2016. Do you really think the Sox should have gone over $44 million for two years for a guy who was, only part way healthy, once in the last five years? Again are our memories this short? Sure he was great that last start. We’ve seen that before too. I could be completely wrong, but I would be shocked if Rodon wins 22 games for SF over the length of that contract, shocked.

Put me as someone else who agrees with this take. Not sure if he’s better or not than Moncada. But the first two steps to being successful are 1. Showing up and 2. Trying your best. For Moncada, that’s zero for two. I’m tired of his shit. Go Burger!

I disagree. I think he makes some very good points, except for # 5. My biggest fear is his reason # 2, we could be giving up players who could be very productive for a long time (Burger and Sheets) for what is clearly a one-year rental. With that said, make the trade.

So, do we need to salt and burn??

That we haven't hear a report that everything is okay and they're just being cautious is clearly a bad sign. It must be a real injury, worthy of some real time, but hopefully not too long.

I don't see that happening. Unless some sort of injury to Vaughn, I would be very surprised if this happens. As a guy who defends management on here, I would be very unhappy if Leury starts 100 games. He is extremely important as a fill-in-anywhere utility backup, but for the Sox to be good, he needs to be a back up. Now if this or that player(s) on the infield is/are injured and he's plays at ton because of that type of situation, that's fine; that's why he on the roster and valuable. But to just start him everyday because he's deemed the better player or option, that is not good.

Me also. I see, at least, 30 home runs from that group, at least 30. Whatever wRC that translates too, it will more than make up for the defense. Am I crazy, but didn’t Sox win a World Series with Dye level defense in RF, literally?

On the other hand, if we can never quite manage to pull the trigger due to fear of risk or making a mistake, we can never be a truly great team, This is ridiculous logic. Again, according to MLB.com (call it click bait if you want, but they’re clearly knowledgeable and missing your anti-Sox-management bias and just plain weird takes) the Sox sit behind the Dodgers with a # 2 power ranking. Absolutely capable of winning the World Series with their present talent. Again, this entire thread is an embarrassment to this board.

Again, MLB.com has the White Sox #2 in their power ranking . . . and people are on here saying we should fire Hahn. This is embarrassing for the poster and to a lesser degree to the Sox fan base. And, of course Ron833, agrees. That’s all you need to know.

Oh, I just reread your post. You said 100% for $20. My bad.

We don’t work in the same office, so don’t see a bet here. Did you mean to say $100 dollars? I would never go that high; I’m a poor teacher. But if you were at my school and we hung out in teachers’ lunch/ lounge, I’d be glad to make a handshake bet for $10 or $20 at 10 to 1 odds. Really, I’d feel I was taking your money. Surprised you’re so confident. I mean Sox made offers to Harper, Machado, and Wheeler, but they were never gonna happen. Believe me, I could be wrong. I would never have guessed that the Sox would make a bold move like trading for Kimbrel. No matter how that trade turned out, it was bold and shows Sox are capable of making a move to win in this window. Also, Sox grabbed Grandal while we still had McCann, so they can make moves. So signing Conforto is possible, I just think the odds of it happening, by all the signs I mentioned, seem really small

I think this “going to sign Conforto thing” is a wishful thinking fantasy, like Sox we’re gonna sign Harper or Machado. Not going to happen. Of course I could be wrong, but if we worked in the same office I’d bet you it wouldn’t happen and give you 10 to 1 odds. Every sign says it’s not gonna happen: Boras is his agent All talk of finding Vaughn at bats. No way Vaughn is going to Charlotte, no way. Anyone who suggests this, loses credibility as a poster in my opinion. Sheets is staying, so far . . . seems to be the feeling, he needs and will get at bats Eloy is the starting LFer, it isn’t even being discussed, so Vaughn not playing there. Abreu wants (Probably “insists upon” is more true) to play everyday and doesn’t like to DH, so not a lot of Vaughn time there. Just my opinion, but I see Grandal DHing a lot as season progresses. Sox want to use money and resources to get another pitcher and sign Giolito long term. Biggest bottom line is the cost; I don’t see it happening. As I type this the now, it seems even more than 10 to 1 against signing Conforto.

Except we don’t have a giant hole in RF. We have an outstanding young talent with the very real possibility (I would use the term, likely) to produce a line of .280 to .290 with 30 home runs. A player who has shown he can be adequate, especially considering the bat he will supply, as a defensive outfielder. It’s Vaughn’s. I’ve said before and repeating. I believe the Sox can absolutely believe Sox can win World Series with a RF of Vaughn, Sheets, Engel. What they need to get is another good starting pitcher.

This is 100% true. Put Vaughn there and use that money to resign Giolito.

I love that baseball is back. Coming home from work, watching video highlights and reading comments on here. I got all the windows open; it’s 70 here in northern Indiana. Damn life is good.