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No I didn't? I said there is no Bannister of hitting. That impact does not exist on the hitting side, not the job. I didn't even know Bannister job title, sheesh.

I didnt say the position didn't exist. The impact of said position is no where near the same across orgs. It's also why, I think, pitching has dipped in value a bit as it's more developable. Hitting itself is a much harder and more individually unique skill than pitching a baseball. There's a reason driveline was driven by pitching development as we're most analytically driven baseball start ups.

1. No one goes into an org and turns the hitting machine around in one year. Pitching, at the highest levels, is so mechanical and driven by metrics and data. Hitting is way more mental, and way more reactionary. Reactionary skills are much harder to refine and way harder to change across a huge population of players. 2. Read the book Superforecasters to understand how non-expert our public expers are in the world of forecasting and modeling.

1. There is no Bannister of hitting. Hitting and pitching are nothing alike. 2. How can you like a draft that just happened? Jaysus. You sound like Jimmy liking a 19 year old with 12 professional at bats. He has proven nothing on the amateur side. I read earlier the Sox have a good amateur scouting program. What in the world could make anyone possibly think that?

One of the weirdest things I've seen on here, which is saying something. The most losses in franchise history was 106. Last year they lost 101 for the first time since 1970. Getz is going to lose twenty+ more games than that. It's unbelievable. The Sox have had some awful teams and yet he destroyed them all. People keeping saying the difference between this guy and Getz guy is .5, .3, etc WAR. Yeah people, no one is saying the previous sox were good or would he good. They lost the most games since 1970. Were saying Chris getz made a terrible team into a team so embarrassing that I have not been to a game. Haven't taken my son to his first game because this team is a literal embarrassment to the sport. Haven't watched a full game in months - I wouldn't miss a game in an 82 win season. Chris getz called out last years team. Then made them look like the 27 Yankees comparatively.

I don't need his FIP to be great. I also don't need it to be 4.8+. No matter how much weak contact you induce, no one is running an ERA a full run better than their fip consistently. Also, a lot of noise in weak contact through that kind of sample. His minor league track record was sparkling but he was traded by two teams. Thorpe needs another pitch.

I'm not drawing conclusions on Vargas, although concerned a little bit for the same reason his stock has dipped a bit. Thorpe is a pretty easy evaluation imo. I look over into the twins dugout and I see his ceiling sitting there in Chris Paddack and Paddacks fastball has always been better than thorpes even though it's also trash. Paddack fooled the league for his first trip through with an elite change up and then became what every other one pitch starter becomes.

More amazing that the White Sox have a GM that is less qualified than some people here are for that job.

Trout is still a star whenever he's on the field. This isn't a similar thing imo. Injuries suck, but no one is cursing trout being in the lineup when healthy.

He did not have 5 consecutive great starts. He had a FIP of 4.8ish before he ever got "hurt."

It's amazing to me how many Sox fans are fighting for the respect of Chris Getz.

I'm very aware of what it means. Drew thorpe has one plus pitch, with a subpar fastball as a starter. One pitch starters aren't a recipe for stardom. His entire value is tied to one pitch maintaining elite value and even then that makes him a #4. I was never impressed with thorpe this year as most of his success was just driven by good luck.

When aren't you deferring your opinions to someone else? Drew Thorpes ceiling is a #4.

The prospect ranking world is ripe with group think and are not an authority on evaluation imo.

The White Sox were horrible last year. This year, they're on pace to win TWENTY THREE fewer games than that horrible team. 23 games last year is the difference between the White Sox and the world series appearing diamondbacks (84 wins). Getz took the inferno and turned it into a nuclear explosion. That's not even to speak for the fact that there biggest problem is zero talent developed internally which was his main job prior.

... the guy said he didn't like the team he acquired, made a ton of changes and then fielded the worst team in mlb history. How is that a wash?

I'll say this though, jazz balling out in New York.

Yes, I frequently draw strong conclusions based on the outcome of one trade deadline where the two best players available weren't even dealt. Not like there were stars flying from one team to the next. Also, why would teams be more willing to move top 100 prospects at years end (which just happened this past off season) but not at deadline? This means nothing more than a lot of garbage was moved around.

As I said in my initial post, I want to keep him and still would try that at all costs. I'm just not dumb enough to think that if they don't trade him today, they're keeping him. They've announced to the world they're trading him.

Based on what I've read about Bannister, he wouldn't even want crochet to do that. They want to keep him throwing, just not a lot and at high stress (gtg there). Slowly Deload him without ever fully stopping. That means risk of injury and/or some arm fatigue and outcome regression. He's at the top right now, there's no where else for him to go. He can sustain it and continue to build value, but reality is he's gonna be innings capped ROY so not like he's going to establish himself as a work horse.

There's only risk in keeping him, no reward. Crochet leads MLB Pitchers in WAR. I think he's an incredible arm, and believe in everything he's doing, but it's still very possible he'll never be the best pitcher in the world for four straight months again in his life. In fact, it's more likely than not.

If they pay, grievances have a weird way of being forgotten. I'd love to keep Garrett. I just worry if they don't trade him it becomes a off-season best offer scenario and garrett will be worth less then.

If you're trading crochet, today is the time. Waiting until the offseason will reduce his value regardless of what some say.

Trevor rogers is terrible.

Yeah who needs crochet when you have stud trevor rogers