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QUOTE (WHarris1 @ Jul 19, 2011 -> 08:32 PM) Is this serious? Yes, if the Red Sox or Yankees want a guy, why wouldn't they sign him for many more years than the White Sox. It's all paper money to those teams.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 19, 2011 -> 02:17 PM) Of course we want Quentin aroudn if we're contending this year (or Hell, next year). We're just a 2 game losing streak from pulling the plug on this year, and he's a guy other teams would want. I don't know why we'd want to dump Quentin. He actually can hit sometimes.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 19, 2011 -> 01:49 PM) LOL at 3rd/4th starter. Dude has a 3.38 ERA this year, 3.82 career, not to mention the pickoff move, plus defense at position, durability, and leadership qualities. Most teams would be ecstatic to have him at #2. On some teams he'd be #1. There might be 3-4 teams where he'd be anything below a 2nd starter. Baseball-wide, he's a solid #2 starter. QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jul 19, 2011 -> 04:48 PM) Why wouldn't we want Buerhle back? He is a premier lefty and a great team player. I know he has said he wouldn't mind coming back so I hope we look at 2 or 3 plus years. Maybe 2 with mutual options? Glad to see the Mark love. Fans sometimes take their own for granted. What's the going rate for elite, durable pitchers nowadays in terms of length of contract? I mean if Boston wants him badly and offers six, seven years, we lose Mark, right?

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 19, 2011 -> 07:16 PM) And you say you're not an Ozzie apologist? If you want to start talking about having a good or bad roster, it's very doubtful the Sox will ever have anything close to as loaded of a roster as we did in 2006 when Ozzie couldn't get the team into the playoffs. Think about Ozzie's age and his resume. It's a no brainer if you have a job opening you want Ozzie Guillen. Think of all the experience he now possesses as a still young man. He's the best candidate for the upcoming White Sox vacancy and someday fans are going to shake their heads at the guys we had who followed Ozzie. Cmon. His decisions may anger Internet fans. There's a reason for his lousy lineups. Dunn bats fourth cause he's in the first year of a huge contract and he's Adam Dunn. I'd like him to bat seventh but I know why he's not there. His use of the bullpen is fine. People freak out when the relievers fail him, but his moves are not much if any different from whomever his successor will be. His bunting? Maybe he doesn't teach it properly, but his call for the bunt isn't out of the ordinary either. Our new manger will call for the bunt and drive people crazy when it doesn't work. Cmon. On paper Ozzie Guillen is the best candidate to manage the White Sox. His replacement won't be any better. You really believe he will be?

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 19, 2011 -> 07:12 PM) Greg, Peavy vs Duffy is not a huge Sox advantage on paper. Peavy's ERA as a starter this year is 5.68 I'd like to compare the two salaries. In terms of name recognition, and the fact the Royals are a AAA team, it's a huge advantage to the Sox IMO.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 19, 2011 -> 06:17 PM) Says who? Do we know that Marlins fans even want Ozzie? Is there even a Marlins fanbase? And not the entire Sox fanbase wants Ozzie gone anyway QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 19, 2011 -> 06:57 PM) Something very telling was the Tigers announcer saying on Fox on Saturday that "Ozzie Guillen to the Marlins after this season is the worst kept secret in baseball". 1.) I want him to stay. When all is said and done, he'll be the best manager we ever had. Sad he has to leave at this stage of his career. His best years are ahead of him. Basically players win games and his players have failed him this year. I wish him well in Florida. 2.) I think it's nowhere near a secret. It makes perfect sense. He's not appreciated in Chicago and a perfect fit for Florida. Bye bye Ozzie. Welcome Joey Cora. Don't discount Jerry merely promoting Joey. Hopefully the Sox will give the new manager an even better roster to work with and not guys like Dunn/Rios who really are buzzkill for a lineup.

Dunn has no chance against Duffy. He'll blow the fastball right by him or Dunn will take it as he's been doing for strike three. Only hope is he can draw a walk or two. Once again, on paper this is a huge mismatch in our favor. Can we take advantage? This actually gives Flowers a chance. He's facing and up and coming pitcher who has minimal big league experience. He's basically a minor leaguer right now which is what Flowers has been as well. No excuses. It's hot out. The bats should be ready. Peavy-Duffy is a huge Sox advantage on paper. And the Royals are the worst team in the AL with no fans at this point of the season.

I wonder if Dunn can even hit minor league pitching at this point. He's that bad.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 19, 2011 -> 06:47 AM) But with all of his talk about early retirement, I think he'd be very content with either a 2 or possibly 3 year deal, then reassessing where things stand again with his family. I don't think there are very many teams out there who will be throwing 5 year offers out there, let alone 6. That's what I wondered if pitchers will be getting 5-6 year deals. Boston has been awfully loyal to Wakefield all those years. If he's content with 3 years I'd say we get him or the Cards. But if Mark can get Boston to overpay for five to seven years doesn't he have to take that?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 19, 2011 -> 07:09 AM) Should they trade Buehrle right now? Probably. Will they? Definitely not, KW would face an insurrection. And they're still not going to get Rasmus straight up for Buehrle, because the Cardinals are still taking on around $5 million in additional salary. If the White Sox paid for most of the rest of the year, you POSSIBLY could get Rasmus, but they won't do that. #2, they're not going to do it simply because it means you have to bench Rios or Pierre, and/or trade Quentin. Otherwise, you're acquiring Rasmus and basically writing off $43 million in Rios. Unless you're going to bench Rios for two whole months, then name him the starter again coming into 2012, along with Dayan. And you know how much KW and Ozzie love their "traditional" leadoff hitter. Just not a snowball's chance in hell that the organization would have any credibility with the fans approaching 2012 with Rios as the annointed leadoff hitter to replace Pierre. Is Rasmus worth all this discussion? Isn't he just another guy?

I don't know what the going rate is, but if Mark wants to keep pitching forever (he's hinted at retirement in the past whatever that means) I think he'd be worth signing but it probably depends on the marketplace. How many years is somebody gonna offer Mark? I have no idea. Do you guys? If it's a Paulie-like deal I bet he returns. If he gets five, six, seven years? I'd say Boston or NYY. If he doesn't care about making uber-zillions, I'd say he picks either Sox or Cards. If the offers are similar I'd suspect he'd go with the Cards. Buehrle seems like one of those guys who could pitch a long time, a Moyer type.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 19, 2011 -> 05:19 AM) Greg, there are a LOT more issues than his defensive miscues late in games during April. I don't want to have this debate, but your batting average argument for Juan is about the same as saying Brent Morel should be the everyday 3B, or Omar Vizquel. But yes, Juan's definitely not a bigger problem RIGHT NOW than 3B, Dunn and Rios. That's 100% accurate. Nobody could argue otherwise. And it doesn't mean Juan has been anything but "average" or "below average" for the course of the entire season, cumulatively. The White Sox were 2nd in the AL in steals last year. This year, we're 12th. largely due to Juan and Rios...and sitting at a 55% success rate. When speed and hitting for average are his two tools, and he's down to just hitting (but with zero power), it's not going to balance out unless he hits 350-400 with RISP. I just think Juan has been a likeable player the last several weeks no matter the numbers. He's helped us win some games.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 19, 2011 -> 04:14 AM) Except it was actually 9 K's, a career high...and the guy's won what, one game? In some ways, this was worse than the Bruce Chen fiasco, it's just that we got bailed out by their poor defense. Didn't feel like we BEAT them by playing better. They Royals are just so fundamentally flawed they usually get in their own way and give games away to opponents. That is true. We could have lost easily when it was 2-2. I'd have been in fire everybody mode if we lost to Davies. It is sad. Truly all day here people on the talkshows are all wanting to just DFA Davies and Getz too for that matter. Poor Getz is the new whipping boy with Davies. We still had some bright spots, especially Mark n the bullpen. The fact Davies whiffed nine makes me wonder ... do you think if you were a starting pitcher you'd rather face the Sox than any team in baseball? I guess they don't like facing Paulie who hits fastballs so well tho.

QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Jul 19, 2011 -> 03:48 AM) Teahen would make nice sense for them. It'd be a $ dump from the Sox end I'd have to think. He would not make sense for any team. He can't field. He is a rotten hitter at this point and he can't run either. We can hope, though.

Cmon folks! Let's get excited. We did win. Offense was somewhat shaky whiffing eight times against Davies, but who cares? We won. Props to Juan, Lexi for immediately lifting the sac fly, Paulie. Good job by the relief corps not blowing it. Crain, Thornton and Sergio all were nasty. I hope we can keep beating KC; their record the last 2 months is so bad it's hard to believe.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 19, 2011 -> 03:47 AM) Must win game here. Got a huge gift, and capitalized. Pierre's really been a catalyst of late. Glad to see Fathom's post. It's time to officially suspend all Pierre hate on here IMO. What do people want from the guy? The haters are hating on his defense the first 2 weeks. I desperately want Dayan in the lineup. That's why I said just stick him at third base the first six-7 innings of every game and bring in Morel the final 2. Juan Pierre is a major league player again. He frustrates the s*** out of me a lot of the time, but he's hitting almost .280 for godsakes.

QUOTE (kapzk @ Jul 19, 2011 -> 12:55 AM) 7 Ks in 3 innings Off arguably the worst starting pitcher in baseball, a man the fans want to run out of town here.

Yes! Dunn with the walk. Gives us a chance at scoring some more at least.

Dunn should have some confidence against this stiff. How did he strike out his first at bat?

Nice hit and good baserunning. Another meaty pitch from Davis hit on a rope.

Every Sox hitter should have the same approach as Lexi there and Pierre his first at bat. Just smash the damn ball off this stiff and don't pop it up or strike out.

Royals talk radio all day, BTW, was venom about how bad Davies is and how he should be released. I see we are hitting him well so far.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 18, 2011 -> 05:51 PM) Where have you been the last 10 years. The Sox have gotten the biggest deal done at the deadline at least twice since Kenny has been here in the first Everett deal and Freddy Garcia. Plus countless other moves at the deadline, including Manny. It seems like for whatever reason they are hesitant to do a damn thing this year to improve the club. It's like KW is bound and determined to prove the club he put together will get hot and will win it all. Countless moves? I am not thinking of many.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jul 18, 2011 -> 04:32 PM) Manny was SUPPOSED to be a significant addition. obviously minus the roids, he was not, but that doesnt mean the Sox were just picking up someone who was supposed to be a bench player. And still, during the season KW has tinkered plenty. Maybe not this season(yet), but he has done plenty of things during the season. They also picked Manny up too late as I recall. Wasn't it 1-2 series too late? We faceplanted before his arrival as I recall

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jul 18, 2011 -> 03:25 PM) Yikes. We could be in sole possession of 4th place after tonight's action. Yeah. That's what happens when Minnie takes care of teams like KC. Can you believe we are about the only team KC can win a series against? They ain't beating anybody the last six weeks, cept the Sox. Davies vs. Mark is a huge mismatch in our favor, but are we gonna win?