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This is what Dennis Miller was talking about. People saying, 'there's no way she could have done this, no mother could do this.' Yes, someone deranged could do this. Yes she wanted to get rid of the kid so she could party every day and be unburdened. You say all indications she could have left the kids with the gparents? She said dad was responsible for the death! The woman made up the nanny; the woman took the police to universal studios where she worked, finally admitting upon arrival she didn't work there (wasting their efforts when they could have been really looking for caylee), the woman out of nowhere accuses dad of the crime. I may be mistaken, but there were 3-4 things she could have been found guilty of, I think No. 2 was child endangerment or abuse. Yes if I was on the jury she'd have been found guility of some crime that would have kept her in jail 10 years or so. People that are talking so solemnly about how I don't understand the law, etc., I don't think are focusing on wanting justice for a little kid who died a horrible death. The mother has no desire to help police find her child; has no desire to help. First she says nanny did it; there was no nanny. Then dad did it. Why would she say these things and not assist police? Because she was involved. Whether or not you think she suffocated the child, she still was responsible for her death. She deserves to sit 10 years or more in prison with the current evidence and the jury should have made her do so. The focus of the crazies at least has been on the baby who died a horrible death. You guys talking about the law don't even seem to want her to have been convicted of count 2 or 3.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Jul 15, 2011 -> 04:32 PM) I would go with 3 myself. The Tigers will score more runs than the Sox will have base runners and I would not be surprised if the Tigers score less than 5 runs. Hey the Twins are only 6 back. Another season where the White Sox single handidly give them the Central division crown.....unless they give it to the Tigers first. I think he may throw a no hitter, but I'll go with 2 hits. I can't imagine who will get them, though. I'd say maybe Beckham gets a hit, and maybe Juan in his first at bat before no more for Juan. I wouldn't think we'd score a run. The Sox certainly have been the ones to right the Twins' ship. Although they have won five in a row I think vs. KC as well. Them sweeping that 4 gamer in KC was big. It's hard to believe a team as far back as the Twins were, have a great shot at winning it if they can beat Detroit head to head.

Do they still make these cheap beers they had when I was in chicago? Hamms Schlitz Old Milwaukee Drewrys Strohs.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jul 14, 2011 -> 11:00 PM) I hope the Sox prove him and Kruk right The only way Dunn is going to turn this around, IMO, is change his approach. His bat speed is very slow and he rarely puts the ball in play. Lighter bat and change the funky bat bending behind his back. No way he will do either, so I predict no change in Dunn the second half. Please, please Ozzie bat him seventh (I'd prefer eighth but I realize no way in hell that would happen).

What bugs me is this is a HUGE mismatch on paper and Detroit likely will, as expected, beat us 7-0 or 7-1 if we are lucky. s***, it could be a no-hitter or one hitter. But when we had Peavy against that Twins softthrowing nobody, it was all in OUR favor, but no... we got smoked. Sad season.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 15, 2011 -> 05:24 AM) The "chip on the shoulder" theory that all our sister cities in the AL Central feel a greater desire to knock the White Sox off? Maybe. Not sure it's about the cities/markets....it's more about the mindset of that team. Look at the White Sox/Cubs rivalry. We have always wanted to beat them for the same reasons, I guess. They're yuppies and frat boys and Iowa grandmothers with broaches...the White Sox fans are knowledgeable, blue collar, working stiffs who won't countenance a player who dogs it or a lazy/apathetic team. Seems for a long time both the Tigers and White Sox have had problems with the Twins. Those are the two big market/big spending teams (up until the last two seasons, when the Twins have caught up). When I was watching the Womens' World Cup game the other night, the coach made a comment about how American teams are known around the world for having the biggest heart....that their technical precision isn't as beautiful, but that they outwork, outhustle and out-athlete you to to death and wear you down. That American athletes are born and bred to believe they're the best and that they'll usually win in the end. I think that mindset has just gotten into the heads of every team in the division...that they can't beat the Twins. (The Royals are now 4-6 against them this year, much better than the 1-7 we've put up). I just don't think this team has believed in itself on a consistent basis since that '08 season, with the exception of that one stretch in the middle of last season. It's that mindset....you get the early lead and you hold it every time. You have the lead late, your bullpen's going to come through. Even if you're down 1-2-3-4 runs, you never feel you're out of a game. We've seen flashes of that, but never on a consistent basis. Probably that's a good reason we've never won more than 4 in a row this year. Cuddyer said it best. They just expect the White Sox to screw up and let them back into nearly every game. Until we change the manager or GM responsible (or both), things are never going to change unless the players stop accepting it. The fans don't believe 100% in their team anymore...either. We're all skeptical. Like that thread "will the Sox make any changes over the ASB?" and probably 80-85% said no way. Whatever happened since that 2008, we've totally lost that home field advantage that used to be automatic at USCF even in some of our down seasons. Yep yep. Can't argue anything you wrote.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 15, 2011 -> 04:20 AM) The weird thing is that Guillen had the advantage over Gardenhire until May of 2009. What's changed in the last 3 seasons? The Royals have seemingly always played us tough...even winning some huge games late in 2005 when we were nearly choking it away down the stretch. Before that, we absolutely dominated them. We used to be to the Tigers what the White Sox now are to the Twins...I think it was something like a 30-15 stretch against them. Yet you could argue that DET in recently years is not nearly as talented as the team we basically owned 4-5-6 years ago. You'd think with the Indians throwing all these young pitchers we're not very familiar with like Carrasco and Tomlin that they'd have the advantage over us. Strange days. It is strange. I have two theories besides the normal Ozzie sucks theory. 1.) I repeated this before and got no response on here. We are the biggest and by far the best city in the division. They do get extra fired up simply playing in Chicago and playing Chicago. I realize that's somewhat simplistic, so ... 2.) We won the World Series in 05. None of them have come close. Yes it was a long time ago, but no matter the team we trot out there, they do try a bit 'harder' to beat us. We definitely have their attention is what I want to say as we have way more "name players" than they do. Meanwhile ... 3.) We do not get up for them. We in fact sleepwalk a bit against them because our fat and happy guys (pitchers not so much guilty of this) are too cool to get down and dirty and being alert in trying to beat these 'inferior' teams that we play 19 times. You have a combination of 'them' being up for us and us not at all being 'up' for them ... and we lose, lose, lose. Also add to the fact like fathom said they know how to get our hitters out, or better yet make our hitters get themselves out. Comments?

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 15, 2011 -> 02:57 AM) I'm beginning to buy into the theory that our divisional opponents have great scouting reports against us, and with our hitters being overly aggressive, it plays right into the scouting report. True. BTW, the Twins shelled Bruce Chen and will shell every lousy starter KC throws out there unlike our favorite team.

Hilarious. Twins, who swept KC in 4 game series in KC, now are leading KC 8-3 late. The Twins, folks, know how to win the division. They feast on Sox and Royals. You wait, it'll be a 4 game sweep this weekend. For some reason, Sox don't emphasize divisional games enough. How else can you explain our s***tiness. We're too cool to get down and dirty vs. the 'inferior' Central teams.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 15, 2011 -> 02:35 AM) So what would you do with your time in jail? Why would I go to jail? A lot of people agree with me that there was enough evidence to convict. Why would I be imprisoned for hanging the jury?

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jul 14, 2011 -> 08:29 PM) Under your view of the justice system we should have killed her when the initial charges were brought. Nancy Grace told us she was guilty three years ago, why believe otherwise? Who needs a trial? Who needs the government to prove their case when they can use media headlines to obtain a verdict? No, I'd have made sure the jury was hung so there'd be another trial and maybe the 'truth' would come out. I am basing my feelings on what I've learned through the trial. I mean, folks, this woman lied and lied and lied. The duct tape? This was no accident caused by daddy. She has to sit in jail for at least 10 years on some charge. So I'd hang the jury. I would because I feel there was enough evidence to convict her. And she even told somebody in another lie she used chloroform to get the baby to sleep at times. This is a human life we're talking about. She is the one who instituted the defense that it was an accident caused by dad. With all these lies, she CANNOT walk as she is about to do.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 14, 2011 -> 07:54 PM) Your dad kills someone, you get death for it? Sounds reasonable. QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 14, 2011 -> 07:55 PM) Obviously they didn't or she wouldn't have walked. 1.) Yes because she made up that lie. If she wants to throw the jury off and I'm on the jury and there's absolutely no reason to believe it was a drowning, I'm not leaving the room til the jury is hung. 2.) I said they obviously bought it (for a while) then chickened out or wanted to get home after the 4th of July. 6-6 proves at one point they considered it a reasonable case and she was guillty.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 14, 2011 -> 08:00 PM) Right now he's playing for time. There's little downside to waiting another week or so, the deadline is 2.5 weeks away, if someone is offering talent for one of your players it's unlikely that their offer will decrease as the deadline approaches unless there is a better player on the market (and very few teams are selling pitching). If we are really a contender there's great downside to waiting another week or 2. A Detroit sweep pretty much ends our season. Eight out. We ain't making that up against a Leyland team.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 13, 2011 -> 06:55 PM) None of those things are actual evidence of the crime. None. Some juror said at one point it was 6-6 to convict of murder. So the jurors bought the prosecution's case. They just chickened out. I wouldn't have. I'd have convicted her. She says her dad did it. Well she takes it for the family team if I'm on the jury. Guilty.

QUOTE (Cali @ Jul 14, 2011 -> 06:12 PM) I foresee 3-9 for the first 12 back against the Central.... Putting them at a gorgeous 11-25 on the season. Making no changes at all is KW's last attempt at making himself look good. This is the team he put together and now that it's the second half he's just magically hoping it takes off and sweeps Detroit and is ready for a pennant push the entire second half. It's very misguided. Why should it change when we just got killed at home by two Central teams? When Detroit sweeps us, is that all it's finally going to take to bring up Dayan at least? I'd expect a no hitter to a three hitter from Verlander in Game One.

Send him down and make him a starter the second half. See how he does. Or let him start second half with us after we deal Jackson or Jake gets hurt again. Surely Sox will be trading Jackson after Detroit sweeps us and we're eight out.

QUOTE (mcgrad70 @ Jul 14, 2011 -> 03:47 AM) Put us all out of our misery and sell. Most of these fans on these sites absolutely slay me in their defense of this man. The guy should have been spending AT LEAST 120 million a year in a metropolis this size. Heck, he ought to be spending that much on the minor league system alone. Give me a freaking break with St. Jerry of Reinsdorf already. The guy is and always has been a snake oil salesman and this year he's getting exactly what he deserves and I couldn't be more pleased. I thought this was one of my posts the way it looked in post format.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 14, 2011 -> 02:48 AM) Cue Greg speech comparing Ozzie Guillen as a player to Juan Pierre...and how almost everyone on the White Sox team except for Konerko and AJ has a lower batting average. I do remember assiduously keeping track of the White Sox stats with a handheld calculator, piece of paper and box score and recall that usually our team batting average in that time period ranged from probably low .240's to high .250's (before the arrival of Thomas, Ventura and Sosa). 1985 GUILLEN 273 SOX AVG 253 1986 GUILLEN 250 SOX AVG 247 1987 GUILLEN 279 SOX AVG 258 1988 GUILLEN 261 SOX AVG 244 No Greg speech. I said I'm done commenting on this. I am sad though that a White Sox board has denegraded Ozzie to being a bad baseball player.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jul 13, 2011 -> 10:37 PM) Why does it matter and why would you want to take an inventory? Seems pretty stupid. It doesn't matter that somebody might be offended by this thread?

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jul 13, 2011 -> 11:08 PM) I agree. I think KW's worst case scenario is that we remain 5-6 games out by July 31, instead of getting hot or completely falling apart. If the next ten days seals our fate, it'll be an easy decision to make. That's the problem with our organization. Why wait and see what happens the next 10 days? Why not be proactive? Guys, this team is not going to suddenly become good on the offensive end. No way. I'm in favor of firing everybody if Dayan isn't up here by Saturday. Fire them all. It's like we are conceding. And guess what, stick him at f***ing third base if we can't replace Juan. He's played it before.

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Jul 13, 2011 -> 10:10 PM) There are others that are regulars. How do you know this? I wonder if they are offended by this thread.

I won't comment on this anymore, but I can't believe Soxtalker's have buried Ozzie the player. Amazing.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 13, 2011 -> 11:05 PM) Good glove, no bat. He was one of the worst hitters i have ever seen and the worst on a good baseball team that didnt need his bat. You had guys like Tim Raines, Robin Ventura, Frank Thomas, Carlton Fisk, Lance Johnson, Ellis Burks, Karko,Julio Franco, etc all hitting in a lineup where he wasnt needed at the time. He was all Glove and still was replaced at times by guys like Steve Sax. One of the worst hitters you've ever seen? Wow.

QUOTE (whitesoxbrian @ Jul 13, 2011 -> 10:59 PM) If there's ever a time to NOT bring up Viciedo, it's today, tomorrow, or Friday before first pitch. Bring him up during the game Friday or Friday night. I don't need to see him, and he doesn't need to, go 0-4 with 4 K's vs Verlander in his 1st game of the season with the Sox. That is sad to know we're 0-1 in the second half immediately. Verlander. No f***ing way we can win that game. f***.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jul 13, 2011 -> 10:57 PM) Partial memories from 15 years ago of how often Ozzie got hits can't dispute data of how often he got hits. Yes but some are acting like he was this massive stiff playing short for Sox all those years. Guillén was an All-Star in 1988, 1990-1991, and won the Gold Glove Award in 1990.[1][17] He led American League shortstops twice in range factor, once in assists and once in fielding percentage.[1] Guillén's .974 career fielding percentage ranks him 40th overall among major league shortstops, ahead of both Luis Aparicio and Dave Concepcion.[18] While he was considered one of the best fielding shortstops in the American League, Guillén was often overlooked in post-season awards because his playing career coincided with that of Cal Ripken, Jr.[3] Guillén ranks among the White Sox all-time leaders in games played, hits, and at-bats.[19] As a hitter, he was known as a free swinger, posting one of the highest at bats per walk ratios in major league history.[20] Guillén played his entire Venezuelan Winter League career with Tiburones de La Guaira. G AB H 2B 3B HR R RBI BB IBB SO SH SF HBP AVG OBP SLG 1993 6686 1764 275 69 28 773 619 239 25 511 141 141 7 .264 .287 .338