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Gee it might have helped had the mighty bats scored a couple runs. Two hits in nine innings isn't much.

How do posts like this and the response to it "add to the discussion" on here. People who say I'm killing the discussion need to look around.

Good post, Quin. There's not a big difference than B- and C, but a big difference between C and F.

If somebody says something personal or ridiculous about Jenks, I'm going to respond. My responses have been in response to others' ridiculous comments. It's ridiculous to read some of the s*** on here about pulling the hairs out on his goatee and not respond. I get why people hate Jenks. Despite blowing two of three saves I still think he has had a good season. In fact, I'd give him a B to B- right now. If you want to flag him, go right ahead. You'll get your wish. Let's just hope Putz is as automatic as the Sox want him to be. Greg, you kill any good White Sox discussion this board has anymore. Good discussion is not simply bashing the goat of the day after every loss.

Seems like Sox are back to having Viciedo play hardly at all. Omar has been sensational, so it would be nice to simply see Viciedo become DH. I'd go with CQ in right and Dayan at DH since Oz isn't going to stop playing Omar at third. That isn't going to happen, however. Oz loves Omar, Kotsay and Jones so what we've seen figures to continue.

They should just release him, get rid of the bum. Then if Putz blows a couple save opportunities, find a way to blame Jenks as well. I had to laugh at this line: "When he blows a save, he's a fat ass with bad facial hair." I love the anonymity of the internet. Tell that to his face. He'd kick your ass.

I just don't see the point of trashing a guy and not praising him when he does (did) well. I don't call for the second string quarterback every time the starter throws 2 or more picks. Jenks had the closer job. He's blown 2 of 3 saves and Ozzie promptly called for a closer by committee which is the right thing to do. What good is it to get mad, call Jenks names, say we should just release him, he's not going to have a job anywhere next year, etc? In answer to your question ... what's the point of bashing him? It's a message board. Some bash him. Some (one or two) praise him. And why is his facial hair annoying? Should everybody be clean cut all all times? Why are you saying that? What's the point?

If I am baiting, what is the person doing who hates his goatee and wants to pull it out hair by hair. I'm standing up for Jenks who is easy fodder for criticism. Again, what do you call the guy who wants to pull out his facial hair?

I don't know what they'll pay him, but if he doesn't get hurt, he'll have a job and be making enough money to pad his already bloated bank account.

Yeah, fire the manager of a team in first place. He has to play Teahen if he's on the roster. I take it you don't like Oz's comment on Teahen.

No, the closer is designed to save each and every game and not fail. He also should not be overweight and have a goatee. He should not walk people ever or have runners get on base. He should be perfect or move onto the next guy. A closer should pitch like Jenks did in June when he got save after save. And after those saves he should get no credit because he's just doing his job and earning the multi millions.

Somebody will pay him, unless he gets hurt. He has the same issues as always, weight being one of them. Hopefully Putz will be a good closer for the Sox or Thornton will be a good closer for the Sox.

I like when players and coaches fight back against the talk show/internet world. Why should they sit there and not fight back? All people do in this era is b****. They might as well go down fighting as long as they don't cuss or act unprofessionally. Tone of voice doesn't bother me at all. What's he supposed to do? Throw Bobby under the bus? Plead for mercy for Bobby? And if Danks doesn't remind him of Viola, he doesn't remind him of Viola.

Why is bringing up Wagner blowing a save out of line to you? He did? Closers blow games. s*** happens. Jenks has blown 2 of the last 3. Yes he deserves to sit a while and closer by committee makes sense right now.

Uh, they are veterans so I'm sure they realize that this is baseball and got in the chow line and snarfed down that good postgame food. Ballplayers eat after games and get in the chow line and eat. They don't f***ing sweat losses no matter how dismal they are. Ballplayers are not like internet fans who freak the s*** out. They realize baseball is a marathon season. I can't believe you guys just laugh off Wagner blowing a save. The Jenks hate slays me. Some people act like every time he's gone out there it's been like a Little Leaguer out there. Do you remember the stretch when the team was HOT as hell and he was getting save after save after save? And I shut up and not a peep out of the Jenks haters who just expect save after save. Hilarity. The guy was excellent during our surge and he's sucked since the family emergency and to me he actually does look fatter than normal. That is up for debate. Some people act like Quentin sits in a chair in right field and just watches everything hit out there fall and some act like Jenks has NEVER been good this year. It makes me laugh.

How do you guys explain Wagner blowing a 2 run lead tonight? What closers are automatic these days? Tell me those closers.

Billy Wagner blew a 2 run lead tonight. Blown save. Yeah, closers are automatic ... not.

Some of you guys slay me. Ever heard of battling through adversity. And somebody said he hasn't been good in five years??? WTF. I said after he returned from the family crisis we could have closer by committee a while and it wouldn't bother me but it would require Oz having a feel on who to use on a given night. After blowing the save the other day and giving up some shots yesterday that were gobbled up by Omar and Lexi, I would have not balked at Putz or Matt tonight. I hope our other closers are automatic, but I am afraid you are going to find out that all closers blow saves once in a while. I still support Bobby.

We've got two other guys in Putz and Thornton who can be nasty, so I am not against closer by committee. I don't know why that's such a dirty word in baseball. Bobby doesn't have to close every save situation, but tradition dictates he must.

Sounding like the Randy Quaid fan of the Indians in Major League. If Lexi is the age he's listed at, he could easily be our shortstop for 10 years or more.

Is bad giving up a single and falling behind hitters and still getting the save? Some people freak out in that exact scenario. I'm over it. I'm aware some people just hate fat Bobby. The guy has had a very good season as a closer and many say he hasn't so we disagree. I've seen the venom. Many Internet Sox fans hate fat Bobby. Fine. I like fat Bobby.

Oh I think a lot hate Jenks no matter what. They simply tolerate him when he gets the save. So I am the opposite and support him.

I'm still waiting for you to tell me who you like in baseball? A Rod? Pujols? Is there a perfect player? Alexei starts horribly. He is playing f***ing great baseball right now. As he continues to age can he actually work on starting out of the gate better? Can he figure out a way to not completely suck in April/May? Hopefully. It is possible. Not everybody is a f***ing finished product. Who do you want to be our shortstop the next 10 years?

Let's face it, some people are going to hate Jenks no matter what. Very few of us love him no matter what. I think he's been a very good baseball player for the White Sox and remains a very good closer. I think my statement is WAY closer to reality than those who say he sucks and want to have his arm fall off like one guy said after he blew the last save.

Yeah, I'd agree. I was wrong on Oldmar. Man he was picking them tonight and thrilling Hawk in the process. Hawk was going wild.