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What a quick aggressive swinging motion. He's a natural. Again ... how can you not win with Robert, Moncada, Eloy and also Timmy, Abreu, McCann. That's six good hitters out of nine.

Man, you are selling three good baseball players, definitely 3 of our better players. What a slap in the face to our fans. I mean I know we are tanking but it's bullcrap to trade those three guys. Even Leury has been worth the price of a ticket this season; he's been exciting. LOL on your second line. Nobody's taking any of those guys. If we released them probably only 2 of the four would get picked up. McCann ... he's having a great year, why trade him? It's not like he's Johnny Bench. He's a fine player but nobody's gonna give you much more than a 10th round draft pick type player.

No reason to blast Collins yet. He's been used poorly by Ricky and Hahn. Get him regular at bats or do him a favor and trade him. He's definitely ready. If we are in love with McCann frankly we don't need Collins. Even though McCann is sensational if we don't trade Collins maybe we play Collins 3 days a week; McCann 4.

OMG!!! Robert has two homers and five RBIs tonight and the announcer on his grand slam thought it was Escobar. Find the replay on Twitter. This is scary, folks. Robert, Eloy and Moncada in the same lineup. Rick Hahn will work in Chicago til he's 80. If Jerry opens the wallet there's no reason we can't start winning NEXT SEASON w/those 3. No excuses. Do it. Robert!!!!!!

They'll wait if they can IMO. You saw how little they did last offseason. They can always say they are waiting for some of those young pitchers to heal/be ready in order to line the owners' pockets some more.

That's not very tolerant. Actually most of the posts that are anti Jose are not really discussing his production and expected production and are emotionally based themselves. Read them and tell me they are not age-centric for the most part. I do think Sox beat writers could ask the tougher questions of Hahn/KW following the acquisition of the Houston guy. It sure seems like he was acquired to take over for Abreu if/when he gets traded. I'd say the odds of Jose being traded have increased significantly following that transaction.

I like it. Nice post.

I wonder why? The Millennials and Xers who hate baseball or ?? I do confess I had no desire to watch it only cared about Jose, Gio and McCann.

Great post. To be fair, I get the vibe it's nothing personal against Jose except for a couple of posters who seem to despise him mostly because of defense and the fact he doesn't like to DH. They fear keeping him at first as much as his age. I sense the fans that fear he's a fossil are new-agers who look at age quite closely. When they see Jose they see '32' and pretty much can't enjoy him after that permeates their minds.

surely you don't deny the increase in concern about a player once they hit the age of 32; ageism if you will.

I agree. Considering the White Sox have saved so much money and stuffed it in Jerry's wallet the past many seasons, the money issue bores me regarding the White Sox. The Sox make so much money it's a bore to discuss pennies that go to most players. You said it all: You said: "Pay the man $30-$35 million and let's just have him be a career white sox. There's even a chance he produces roughly the same over the next three years as a DH and we end up with #79 being retired by the team. If he doesn't produce, we just let him go. It's really not that hard." AMEN. But Hibbard ... you and I know the problem. He projects poorly in the new age of projecting players and that can't be overcome. Age. I just think the talk of flipping him, then re-signing him is weird and dumb. So the team acquiring him truly is giving up 3 prospects for 2 months and the postseason since there's a wink/wink agreement to rejoin the Sox. Not happening. Too many unknowns regarding what he could make in free agency in that situation.

If it's three years eight million why sweat it? That's nothing. If that's all it takes, extend him now. 3 for 25. The problem is poor Collins will be his backup 4 more seasons.

One of the posters already agreed with my assessment that fans want stars at every position. How else do you explain the discarding away of Jose so simply as if he's a stiff. He doesn't fit the profile of the rebuild/tank team in some fans' eyes. Too old. Next.

Yep, the interleague play has killed the all star game. Frankly I've lost total interest since it doesn't determine home field. I'm probably the only fan ever who was intrigued by that concept. I feel the cities are the only reason they still have the all star game. The cities have saved it. The shows are spectacular (softball, home run derby, futures game, all star game) and the cities embrace the game making it first class. And they'll always have at least one player from every team. I would like to know what grade school kids think of the all star game now. Do they tell dad, "Boring. I want video games tonight," or are they embracing it like we used to. I remember it was a HUGE deal if a Cub pitcher faced a Sox hitter or vice versa. The result of those at bats were huge for bragging rights at school. Also NL vs AL for bragging rites as a kid was huge.

He's the DH. Jose is the first baseman. Maybe DH Jose 1 time a week. Collins is odd man out when Beef returns I guess. Personally I'd release Beef and reluctantly have Collins get the Ron Karkovice treatment (early in his career when he had to back Fisk forever).

This is what is amazing to me. The perfect rebuild/tank job (in 'some' fans eyes) is meant to not only win but win so big that competition won't really matter. The rebuilt tank team will be so good Jose Abreu's are not even wanted. There will be perfectly acquired stars at every position. It's no longer required of a GM to build a good team and see if it can catch playoff fever and go all the way, you build a team of phenoms at every spot. In terms of discarding guys like Jose on a perfectly rebuilt Sox team, it reminds me of the Stooges episode where Curley has a wad of money and is counting the bills: "$100, $100, $100, $100 ...hmm a $50." Then he crumples it up and throws it on the sidewalk and after a pause, all 3 Stooges dive on it as the episode ends.

It's funny how just a few players, Tatis, Vlad are changing the perception on the lower end of the age argument. Now we can consider rushing guys. Of course Madrigal is ready. He played college ball and is 22. I'm surprised Nelson Cruz isn't turning around the age argument the other way. Can u imagine if Jose is still raking like this at 39? But I didn't realize some are saying he's a steroid guy and that's why. I'm patiently waiting. There will be outliers on both ends of the age spectrum. For the record ... I am all for bringing up 21 year olds if they are deemed amazing and letting guys play to Julio Franco like ages if they can hit and run.

Intangibles don't matter any more. It's all about the statistically molded baseball player. He has to be a certain age and has to have a certain type of projected WAR and all those other categories. Intangibles mean nothing to the modern fan. I didn't even go see Moneyball.

You guys act like we are going to have a superstar at every position. If that's the case you are right we don't need Abreu and we'll be the best team in baseball history. Some of you are so so worried about age.

This is simply not going to happen. I'd love to see Stoney and Jason address this kind of talk. They are not going to flip him then reacquire him. Let me know when this is discussed for real on the talk shows and national media reports.

I just can't imagine the Sox being able to pull that off: To ship him off for 3 good prospects then simply bring him back via free agency. Somebody said the Yankees have done such a thing. Call me skeptical there wouldn't be hard feelings or after a couple months and a postseason at the new place, especially if they make the WS, I can't imagine just getting Jose back. I mean maybe what u describe will become commonplace. It certainly isn't common practice rite now.

Then it was really really stupid because they just could have added the money they paid Alonso to Manny's offer. Obviously Manny didn't give a flip about playing with his brother in law. Just add that money to the mega offer to Manny if it wasn't a baseball move at all. They obviously didn't think Alonso was this bad. Because if they did, his anemic production would just about have erased Manny's value. You can't have a guy hit .180 with no power and no run producing ability. Manny woulda had to hit .400 with 55 homers to make up for two positions.

I prefer to limit WAR to card playing. I don't study that particular advanced stat much.

Not to be a dick, but we had a major league ready RF in Avi. We're not getting a major league ready RF or 2/3 starter for Jose. It's because he plays 1B and not all that well. Some other teams think the same way as our message board fans do. No way they'll give up current MLB talent for a first baseman who is very very good but will probably get into 2 lengthy slumps per season. Jose is human. He'll give you .280 with 34 home runs and 110 RBI the next two seasons. After that, yeah he'll probably start Konerko-ing a bit.

McCann is a true pro. I'd cut Beef Wellington right now. McCann/Collins are the catcher duo the next 3-5 years. Similar to the Fisk/Karkovice waiting situation. Like Karko, Collins will have to be satisfied with about 200 at bats a season and McCann gets 400. then at some point, Collins takes over probably in 4-5 seasons from now.