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Why? The wise thing to do is play him when he's healthy enough to come back. p.s. Where u been Caulfield? Were u put in the penalty box? We miss you and love Caulfield.

Two prospects. One a Rutherford type (the Rutherford at the time we acquired him); the other somebody with the upside of say a Gio Gonzalez when he was decent. Both in the very early stages of their careers, let's say these guys are 19 or 20. As much as I worship Jose, teams probably aren't going to trade us Eloy types to get him.

Actually this is good by baseball standards. This is the modern strategy. Homer or K. Nothing in between is wise according to advanced stats. I mean I guess a triple would be acceptable (ball that doesn't quite escape the yard).

I love Jose but that trade would get a GM fired immediately. Jay and Alonso are 2 of the worst hitters in all of baseball. It'd have to be a team that loved Jose so much they'd take all 3 and just cut Jay and Alonso like NBA teams do sometimes after trades.

That's you and me talking. Most of the fans who are still moderately interested in the team disagree with us. They are loving the rebuild and see it as it going very well.

I feel your pain chitown, sorry bout your injuries, but give TA a break. Univ of Kansas had a guy this year with a high ankle sprain miss over a month of ball and he's just now getting close to 100 percent and those guys have round the clock care. Ankle sprains can be very very bad. Give TA a break.

I give up and am sick of defending him. Players go through slumps especially ones on bad teams, but with no love for Jose I hope we trade him soon. I'm weary of defending him. I hope you all get 2-3 good prospects for him and not lousy prospects.

The replay looked like he planted very hard on it but didn't look like he necessarily turned the ankle. PTATC? Any idea? Could he actually have sprained the top part of his foot??

If Tim Anderson has some serious injury (does he? I'm not watching the game), then it really all appears hopeless. He's a fine young ballplayer. Losing him at a prime spot in the batting order and in the field would be really depressing.

Guys, compare the two rosters for gosh sakes. When we play Boston and New York it's a miracle we grab a win once in a while. We have no business beating those teams in their own parks.

I'm talking about this season, arguably Jose has been better than Manny (at least equal) for 1/zillionth the cost. So some of you think I'm ready for the insane asylum? Call a talk show and ask the host about this and you'll see them agree with my point (unless they are extreme advanced statnik type of hosts). I read your entire thread. Not so sure anybody read mine. I'm just talking about this season, which is fair, because whenever somebody was ready to deem Avi trash they always just looked at current performance not ever looking at the season he bashed .320 or whatever it was. Now Tatis? Arguably what he's doing is scary good at this time. I'll give you that.

Good job nailing me on that. I could be a dick and say, "What else is Brooks supposed to say?" But I won't. What about my general point that through 80 games Jose is basically outperforming Manny this season, especially when you consider cost efficiency which the White Sox obviously care greatly about?

Did you take debate in school or something? I need to learn my lesson and not respond to you. You always have some sort of quick line that in your mind wins the argument and in reality, probably does win the argument. As much as people say I don't read others' replies, nobody reads mine. My reply here and in the Abreu thread are full of well thought out comments but nobody responds to that cept in quick one liners. In response to your one liner ... I don't see how anybody could read this board and not realize there simply are haters (of Avi and Jose) and nothing will ever change their minds. I on the other hand could be called a worshiper of those two; but to suggest there's something wrong in me calling out 'haters' of those two is misguided IMO.

Manny has two stolen bases so he has no interest in that department anymore. Defense? Yeah, I'm not hearing Manny is any Brooks Robinson but obviously he's better than Jose. But for the $$$s? I'd think the Sox who don't like to pay, are getting their $$$s worth and then some with Jose's production.

As much hate as there is on Abreu, he arguably has been as productive as Machado this season at 1/gazilion the cost. Manny in 288 at bats has 16 homers and 47 RBIs. Abreu in 302 at bats has 55 RBI and 18 homers. Now comes the bad news in OBP, Jose is .298 with an OPS of .798 and slugging percentage of .500 and heaven forbid a war of 0.6. His BA is .258. He has 17 walks on a team that often flails away simply because the team blows and it has to be difficult to do the little things when we've been tanking as a team for some time now. Meanwhile Manny has 32 bases on balls to Jose's 17. Thus Manny is at .278 BA with OBP of .354, slugging of .493 and OPS of .847. But stop the presses Manny's war is 2.1 by gosh to Jose's 0.6. The majority of baseball announcers would look at the simple BA, HR, RBI categories and conclude Jose has been just as productive as Manny this season. The advanced statters (watch baseball games, they still flash BA, HR AND RBI ON THE SCREEN and announcers talk about these figures!) I guess would say Manny is having a WAY better season than Jose. My point is ... to the average fan it seems Jose is as good or better than Manny in production this season. Are those 20 walks THAT IMPORTANT? Jose faring about as well as moneybags Manny? How can that be??

From what I've read from fans on here I think their problem with Avi is ... a.) one year he admitted he didn't work hard enough in the offseason and reported out of shape; b.) he pulls hammies a lot and c.) he's considered a buffoon defensively. I think all 3 of those things are reasonable takes/concerns. The advanced stat people also can find many examples of him reeking I guess. I would argue the three issues are not that big a deal if you are a fan of him and happen to like him. 1.) I guess it's awful to be out of shape if you are a paid professional baseball player but I can forgive him for that. Not every ballplayer is perfect even though to some, reporting out of shape is an unforgiveable offense. 2.) Injuries happen unfortunately. I think he's worth the gamble despite the hammy issues; others don't. 3.) The Sox seem to traditionally suck on defense. I personally don't think he's that bad. The fun has left baseball. One of the reasons I worship Avi is some of the big games he had and big bombs he hit. That year he hit .320 he was smashing the ball DEEP. All that said, the Avi hatred on here sometimes seems vicious almost as if he was some demon trying to earn a living bashing baseballs for a team he admittedly loved playing for. As much as fans despise Sale for cutting the uniforms and Ozzie for quitting on the team, it seems to me Avi would be rather likeable since all he did was express joy in playing for the Sox. But in the day and age of advanced stats, there's little room for liking a player just because. Avi blows, the stats indicate even though he's a fun player to watch play what in some respects has become a dull sport. I will conclude this report by saying ... Me.Likey.Avi.

LOL. This is a thread about former Sox. I guess positive comments bout Avi and Tatis are bothersome in such a thread.

Avi still doing well; Tatis is on fire. The hatred of Avi on here in retrospect sickens me even more.

Me.Likey.Ozzie.

All you need to know about Jon Jay is most of the posts in this thread named after him are not about him, nyuk nyuk. Mr. Jay should be nicknamed "Mr. Irrelevant." p.s. I have nothing against the man; he's supposed to be a nice guy. I just see no need for him on the south side since we never signed his pal. Trade him to San Diego or Tampa for a couple thousand bucks that JR can gift to his grandkids on trips to the lake this summer.

Should greg just ignore these type of comments that make my blood boil? Probably would be smart.

You guys dismiss my theory, but my take is sometimes these players aren't 100 percent sharp playing for a non contender. I mean they are used to losing and on that play Anderson half assed it with a ridiculous throw to first. He made the dumb decision to steal third the other night. My take is that it was pretty obvious the Sox were going to lose once it went in extras and some of these guys are not sharp mentally cause they are so used to losing. It's one of the perils of tank/rebuild. Some of the key pieces get used to losing and playing in situations that really matter not.

I'd imagine the win probability for the Chicago White Sox on June 24 is not real high right now.

Again why is it insanity? Not saying you but there are so many posters on here the last 10 years trying to save Jerry a few pennies here and there. My long post just got ignored. He's been one of our best hitters year after year. I don't know why he has to be discussed over and over as somebody to get rid of.

Why do you despise one of our better hitters so much? Again, he is an actual worthy big leaguer. We've had so many hitters on this team this year and past several years who are not big league hitters. Why pick on one of our best players? Do you want we Jose lovers to admit he's not Pujols in his prime? Of course I'll admit it. Jose is not overpaid by any means. He has been one of our better hitters his entire stay in Chicago. Is your beef you'd rather save the money he gets and give it to some other free agent? Yonder Alonso isn't exactly tearing it up. All Jose does is play the game the right way. He's not some mega superstar, fine. You win. He is again ... ONE OF OUR BEST PLAYERS. He put together a fine little career. That means nothing I guess. Again ... are you out to save jerry a few bucks? Uh, I don't think Jerry needs your help when he threw money out the window when he signed Jay and Alonso. Nobody needs the money; Jose takes a good chunk, tries to earn his keep and you hate him. Again WE ADMIT HE"S NOT GOD'S GIFT TO HITTING, NOT DICK ALLEN, NOT RICHIE ZISK ,not the Big Hurt. But he's been one of the top hitters in our lineup for years. And you despise him. It's sick.