Everything posted by greg775
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The Avi Thread
QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 26, 2017 -> 04:21 AM) I think it's the exact opposite, there's little upside to keeping him. If he repeats 2017, then if you want to sign him next offseason it'll be a 9 figure deal because that's what he'll get a year later. If he repeats 2017, then if you wait until next offseason, you're trading him with only 1 year left before FA so "you're not getting anything significant anyway" since he'll only be available for a year And he'll be hitting Free Agency at the same time as all the other teams are spending their offseasons going after guys who are substantially better. The only way this works that things give greater value is he comes out on a tear for the first half and you can move him at the deadline, but the downside risk is BABIP related. If he does everything right and gets slightly unlucky for the first 200 PAs, then he's worthless and costly and that's basically a coin flip. If you can get anything of tolerable value for him now, take it. So the Sox can't afford any good ballplayers, is that it? We can't even afford Avi? Just sell the team, Jerry.
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Looks For A Match In A Jose Abreu Trade
QUOTE (ron883 @ Nov 25, 2017 -> 09:34 PM) You don't chance abreu having a down year and hurting his trade value. Trade him for prospects if the to t it deal comes. Rockies aren't trading rodgers for Abreu LOL. Some people overvalue him around here. Two prospects in the 50-100 range or a top 100 and 2-3 decent prospects if possible. You prospect people are incredible. When we finally get all prospects then we can start trading them for other prospects. The Sox organization is so bad it's been unable to do anything in a division full of clueless organizations, small market organizations (cept for Detroit which acted big for a while) since we won it all in 05. Sickening. Yeah it makes sense to dump our best hitter who could anchor our next WS contending team. Makes a lotta sense.
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2017 Offseason White Sox News, Notes, and Tweets thread
QUOTE (SoxAce @ Nov 24, 2017 -> 10:06 PM) How can you read replies and not see Greg is the biggest advocate of that here? Even ElRockin as well. Yes sir. Thanks Ace.
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Looks For A Match In A Jose Abreu Trade
QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Nov 24, 2017 -> 08:44 PM) I think Hahn does see it, but like I said, it doesn't hurt to explore a trade for your good players. I would only take a Sale/Q type deal for Abreu. If Rockies offered Rodgers and Pint +, I'll probably take that. The meeting Dick Allen went to makes it sounds like both are goners. I think whatever trade they make, all but 2-3 fans on here will be overwhelmingly in favor of. It's all about prospects now. I think both will be dealt about the same time because once one is dealt, other GMs will try to steal the other because our team's years of contention will be pushed back once we trade one of them. I guess I agree if we could thoroughly rob somebody: 3 can't miss certain ML players and one mid level prospect I'd agree with dealing Avi.
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Can Illinois Survive?
QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Nov 20, 2017 -> 06:04 PM) You are complaining about construction and upgrades being needed???? Oak Lawn and EP are all dumping tons of money into rehabbing shopping districts. Greg Brother Rice field has been completely redone twice since I went there in the late 80's . They also are not going to maintain it much in the winter months. You should have gone back by the football fields that is all new. This past weekend the weather was miserable. Marionette Park baseball is falling off becasue EP has done great things with their facilities. Again baseball fields in Chicago in November are all going to look bad. In May/June it is a different story. MG and Beverly are rehabbing house left and right especially MG. Wonderburger is closed but Fat Tommys and Barracos are open in new upgraded spaces. Wonderburger is closed because there was no parking and building is crap. Also there are much better options within a 5 minute drive. The south side is fine. The crime is up but nothing crazy. Chicago has over 60 tower cranes in operation currently so somebody is doing something. Thanks Harry. I'm thinking the days were so bleak it affected my vision of the South Side. I need to try Tommys and Baracos on my next trip down there. Glad to hear they are working on shopping districts. Anything in particular I should check out south side wise?
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Looks For A Match In A Jose Abreu Trade
QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Nov 24, 2017 -> 05:56 PM) Jose Abreu is gonna be our David Ortiz/Jose Bautista. I think an extension of 4 years/70 million is beneficial for everyone involved. Stick Abreu at DH in his later years and he lengthens that lineup a ton. I get exploring trades, but unless the right deal comes around like a Sale/Q type deal, I want Abreu around for this rebuild to be the captain and a mentor to the young players. Why can't Rick Hahn see this and agree with this. Seems to me he's intent on trading Avi and Abreu from what Dick has posted. He's in love with the fact fans worship him for the rebuild. And Jerry has to deep down love it too cause the payroll is making him and the partners gazillions of dollars in their later years with fan approval, not scorn. It'$ a win/win for Jerry and the partner$.
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2017 Offseason White Sox News, Notes, and Tweets thread
QUOTE (Jim Busby @ Nov 24, 2017 -> 08:15 PM) I go to the Park to see a winning Team. I don't go to Farm Team Baseball Games to see Prospects. Like the umpire yells OUT - Play Ball - and the White should have a wining team and not trade off good baseball players for prospects. This is Chicago Your post is short but sweet. The Sox have already made their share of moves to get the rebuild steaming ahead. We don't need to trade the two good "veteran" players left who are not so old they can't help the rebuilt team.
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2017 Offseason White Sox News, Notes, and Tweets thread
QUOTE (Jim Busby @ Nov 24, 2017 -> 04:13 PM) This is the ONLY person who wants the Chicago White Sox to really WIN. The other replies I read sounds like OLD Cubs who the 2000 fan base. As a true Chicago White Sox Fan I want to win Now. Don't you read my posts? I want to win as well now. You are right about most fans loving the "wait til next year" Cub motto of the past. Next year always seems brighter. The second string QB is always better than the first unless you have an Elway, Brady franchise guy. The rabid American message board fan loves rebuilds. It's the way it is and just a few of us need to speak our minds as well to show we exist.
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Happy Thanksgiving Soxtalk
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UCLA basketball players arrested in China
QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 23, 2017 -> 03:45 AM) So yeah, there you go. People are different than you. You judge them poorly for that. I judge you because you feel it appropriate to judge others. Being "opposed to PC" is, to me, shorthand for you want it to be ok to hate people who are different than you. To declare you're better than them. They should go away because you're normal and you're right. They are the ones who are less than human. They are less than you and don't deserve their right to life. "How dare you make me be PC, I should be able to insult them!!!!" Every single word out of your mouth has confirmed that statement to me. Guess what? You are wrong. But I won't block you over it like Tony blocked me. You are just wrong. That is all.
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UCLA basketball players arrested in China
QUOTE (Iwritecode @ Nov 22, 2017 -> 07:17 PM) So you have Sirius with literally 100's of channels to choose from yet to still choose to listen to something that you don't "enjoy"? If there is a radio or TV show that I don't enjoy, I simply don't watch/listen to it. Variety. I don't always want Beatles. I don't always want alternative rock or the other Sirius channels I listen to although I will say those comedy channels are pretty damn good as well. I'd listen to Howard but I can't figure out how to add him to my subscription fee. QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 22, 2017 -> 07:22 PM) Saying that you're a decent human being and being a decent human being are two different things. Why is it your job to enforce your gender stereotypes on others? Why is your interpretation of them the obviously correct one? Because something makes you feel icky you call any statement of it "PC and bad!". You pass judgment on people without educating yourself. Gender stereotypes? Are we going back to me being uncomfortable around the person (male I presume) who stumbled into Subway in high heels right ahead of me? And I elected to not be around the person for a second time? The person (I'm assuming he's male which makes me scum, I know) probably didn't want to be around me, either. Sorry I was honest and said I didn't want to be around that person on that particular occasion. I am sick of PC, yes I am. PC hatred helped get Trump elected BTW but it hasn't changed society. We're still afraid of saying anything lest we offend. Hence the Merry Christmas controversy. As far as passing judgment on people, WTF. The person stumbling into Subway in high heels might be the best person in the world. I don't deny that. That person is likely a better person than me. On that day I didn't want to hang with the person. So I am scum? OK. QUOTE (JenksIsMyHero @ Nov 22, 2017 -> 08:03 PM) He's just a bumbling buffoon, like Trump, and he finds himself in positions that get attention. That's all. He's not smart. This isn't pre-planned stuff. He's just a loud mouth. He's also the biggest asshole of assholes. Are we all forgetting that he refused to let his son's team play basketball because a female ref was assigned to the game? He's an embarrassment to our society and it's an embarrassment that so many people are "entertained" by him. Jenks is a good to great poster. How can you argue with this post. Jenks is da man.
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UCLA basketball players arrested in China
QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 22, 2017 -> 08:07 PM) When "not being PC" involves defending literal actual child predators and nazis, F*** no. Be a decent human being. I am a decent human being. As much as people detest me here, I have good values and always 'strive' to do the right thing. I could point out a recent example but I believe we should not do things because we want acclaim or credit but because it's the right thing to do. Just because I have harsh opinions on some matters does not mean I am scum. QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Nov 22, 2017 -> 08:11 PM) And I hate to admit this but I found that CNN interview incredibly entertaining. You have the right and I'm OK with the fact others liked it. I have different tastes obviously in TV interviews from most.
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UCLA basketball players arrested in China
QUOTE (raBBit @ Nov 22, 2017 -> 06:11 PM) I have to think Trump is trying to distract with this Ball stuff. He could've gone on a tweet-page last week when this actually happened but chose to build it up slowly. Curious at the least. As far as Ball, I used to hate the guy and his recent CNN interview made me feel differently. The guy is actually intelligent. You'd never know just seeing his one liners quoted on Twitter. Either Chris Cuomo is such an idiot he made Ball look intelligent or Ball is actually intelligent. I think it's more of the latter. That's the interview that made me cringe. I hate confrontational TV. Annoys me.
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UCLA basketball players arrested in China
QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Nov 22, 2017 -> 06:05 PM) yet you enjoy watching Hannity who supports child molesters. I never said I enjoy watching Hannity. Quite Frankly I don't watch him. I may have had a comment or two from him on Soxtalk from listening 'briefly' when I'm driving. He comes on after Rush I believe. I actually don't watch much TV at all. I may have watched some more during the election season. I know you won't believe me, but I don't enjoy watching Hannity. I can't say I "enjoy" listening to Rush. I will if I'm driving hit 980 radio to see if he's actually on and not in some commercial break. I actually don't respect any of the radio guys because of those interpersonal ads they read where they pretend to use the product. Limbaugh will read some commercial pretending to use "MyPillow" or some such item and I find that appalling that these hosts lie just to get the sponsor. Or Rush will say he's using some service to save you millions from the IRS or something. Scams. Anyhow aren't you all sick of PC? Just cause I don't like the way LaVar Ball looks or sounds on TV doesn't make me evil. I just read a story that said British school teachers have been ordered to not call the girls and boys "girls" or "boys" in grade school. It is not healthy to identify with a gender. But Sqwert I cannot say I like Hannity. I don't watch his TV show; I catch a few seconds of these guys on radio driving in my car and you all think I'm a Rush/Hannity/Meghan McCain (when she had a show), Herman Edwards fan. I am not. I listen to things sometimes driving when I don't have on the Beatles channel on Sirius or some such channel.
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UCLA basketball players arrested in China
QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 22, 2017 -> 03:16 PM) Oh god, he's tweeting again, what an asshole They need to keep Ball off TV. He enjoys baiting the hosts of shows and his interrupting and cocky attitude is not good TV IMO. Others may like that kind of TV I find it makes me cringe.
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UCLA basketball players arrested in China
QUOTE (Iwritecode @ Nov 21, 2017 -> 05:04 PM) That's not even close to what he said. He simply thinks (along with many other people) that maybe the POTUS should act a little more presidential. You seem to be ok with him acting more like toddler. Trump is never going to act presidential. We just have to hope he doesn't cause nuclear war. I'm not 'ok' with him acting like a toddler, I just think in this situation daddy Ball was SO out of line I don't mind Trump fighting back against the ungrateful person. Again, he's lucky his son isn't in jail 8 months just waiting for trial. As far as Tony and him blocking me, he obviously proves he's a guy who doesn't want a discussion. he's right and that's that. Greg is just some dope that he has no time for.
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UCLA basketball players arrested in China
QUOTE (Quin @ Nov 21, 2017 -> 04:25 PM) So, Greg, do you submit punishing people for the sins of the father? No I'm glad the 3 players thanked Trump. But it's pretty unusual and sad the dad would be so unrepentant when Trump/USA got the kids out of jail. If you remember when the story first broke all the articles were reporting that those players could be kept in jail 8 months or so even before the trial. They were in a deep pile of crap. If Trump doesn't ask Xi for leniency and laughs it off those 3 players likely would still be there. Now in answer to your question I think it's good the players thanked Trump and haven't said any more since. But daddy opened his trap and Trump responded. Big deal if Trump doesn't look presidential. he's a buffoon. We all know that. But I'm just upset at the fact LaVar feels so entitled just cause his kid is a future NBA player. I'm not going to change my mind that LaVar is an ungrateful jerk over all this. I'm assuming the players are contrite as they appeared to be and thankful. Even though Trump is a moron IMO I don't blame him for tweeting back at LaVar since that's what Trump does.
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The Sexual Assault problem
QUOTE (Tony @ Nov 20, 2017 -> 11:38 PM) Charlie Rose, come on down, you're the next contestant on Dirty Old Man! Just read the Washington Post story. Charlie's finished. He did some really rotten things allegedly.
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UCLA basketball players arrested in China
QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 20, 2017 -> 04:20 PM) Can you link your evidence? Cmon. Trump is the president. If he said he talked to the Chinese president on the 3's behalf he probably did. QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 20, 2017 -> 04:25 PM) The first thing they did in their press conference after getting home was to thank Trump. That the President is begging for this sort of validation is still beyond pathetic. The rest of the world knows how petty and easily influenced he is if you just puff up his ego a bit. I'm glad the 3 players thanked Trump. Dad was out of line. QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Nov 20, 2017 -> 04:43 PM) Come on...Lavar was a dumby. Let's not all put this back on the president (for once). Exactly. QUOTE (Tony @ Nov 20, 2017 -> 05:48 PM) Sorry, but I don’t hold Lavar Ball and THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES in the same regard. If Lavar Ball wants to shoot his mouth off, it doesn’t bother me as much...seeing as it’s Lavar Ball. You have a an adult child sitting in the Oval Office, demanding more praise for something he did. Because he didn’t get it, he wished that three kids spend the next 10 years in a Chinese jail. Yeah, let’s not all put this back on Trunp. What a guy. Obviously Tony doesn't think the crime was that bad. I do. I think it was ridiculous the players were that stupid and rude to try to steal stuff from a store in China. China is not exactly the place to get caught doing such a stupid rude act.
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The Sexual Assault problem
QUOTE (Reddy @ Nov 20, 2017 -> 04:32 PM) As a performer, I've had my ass grabbed by more women than I can count, and I've even been kissed a couple of times. Thoughts? The question is ... did you feel violated? Did you mind? Did it cause you angst or distress at any time? If so you have the right to call out those who did it to you and out them on Twitter and claim you were assaulted. That's my take. If you didn't mind, well, I don't see the big deal. As far as whether I'd mind if that happened to me? Don't know. I'm not a performer.
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2017 Offseason White Sox News, Notes, and Tweets thread
QUOTE (ypres @ Nov 20, 2017 -> 09:52 PM) What would be a realistic Avi-extension that most are comfortable with? 5/$30M-6/$48M? I wouldn't necessarily extend him until we have to but I think he's definitely "worth" 10 million for next season for sure. No need to do anything right now. If Avi sulks you can just say, "Avi, you have to show us it wasn't a one-year fluke. We love you but for gosh sakes do it again and then you'll be paid." QUOTE (hi8is @ Nov 20, 2017 -> 10:05 PM) I think 5/50M would be reasonable for the player and the team if we wanted to take that gamble now. If we wait until next offseason and he puts up another all-star level year, we're probably looking more like 5/70. All of these numbers side more with a team friendly "I want to stay with the White Sox" type of player intention. If he's looking to maximize his pay day / meet in the middle to avoid FA - then you're probably looking more at something along the lines of 5/90. Good post. 5/50 is the right amount. But like I said I wouldn't extend him yet. I also WOULD NOT trade him.
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2017-2018 MLB player movement rumors and reports
QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 16, 2017 -> 08:00 PM) Andrew MarchandVerified account @AndrewMarchand 20m20 minutes ago The Yankees interviewed Giants' bench coach Hensley Meulens for their managerial job today. He was a former top prospect in their organization and has earned a strong reputation as a hitting coach. http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0722883218201647484-4 …://http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=...18201647484-4 …://http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=...18201647484-4 …://http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=...18201647484-4 … If the Yankees are considering no names, they should just suck it up and call Girardi and get him back. He's obviously a better manager than anybody they are going to get at this point. I get it. Yankee front office and owner threw a fit after the Yankees were denied the WS. Houston had a great team. The Yankees were young. Get over it. I wish the Sox would hire Girardi and let him groom our young kids when it's time. In the interim he can get used to the South Side and the Cell. You can bet if the Yankees hire some unknown guy the guy will be roasted in the press next season.
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Can Illinois Survive?
QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 20, 2017 -> 04:20 PM) #1, so any percentage is a "good chance?" #2 (bolded) no All I know is, once the reputation of danger hits, your city is in trouble. I remember going to Detroit one year and being told simply DO NOT walk around in this neighborhood. You could be jumped. And it wasn't that bad a neighborhood. Same in Chicago. If gangs of thugs are jumping people, yes, there's a chance it can happen to you and that means a decline in tourism. The exact odds? I dunno. Perhaps a statnik can help figure the odds with the help of Alias.
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UCLA basketball players arrested in China
QUOTE (Tony @ Nov 20, 2017 -> 06:05 AM) And you would be ok with them being in jail for 10 years? Glad to see where your priorities are. I’ve finally had enough Greg in my life. Blocked. I'm glad you blocked me. Jumping to conclusions, much? If you can't see how wrong it is to not be extremely grateful to Trump for helping get them out of China, I can't help you. These guys committed a crime in China for gosh sakes. Real smart. And they could have been cooped up a long long time. Trump and the USA got them back home safely. They owe Trump EVERYTHING. Cause it's no fun to be locked up in a cell in fricking China. Glad you blocked me.
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Can Illinois Survive?
QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 20, 2017 -> 02:45 PM) so a 1% chance? a 50%? Whats a good chance? if any crime is committed anywhere there is a good chance it happens to you? I dont understand. If it happened once, this band of thugs will attack again. If it's not stopped there's indeed a fair to good chance you'll be mugged. It's a mindset. If people think it's dangerous to walk around Chicago after dark, that turns the city into a ghosttown.