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QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Jan 21, 2015 -> 08:16 PM) That's not how it works either. If the Sox make him a qualifying offer and he declines, the Sox don't get the pick from the team who signed him. They get a sandwich pick between the first and second round. The first round pick from the team who signed him just vanishes (2nd round if they are in the first 10 picks). exactly and for this yr it will be the top 11 being protected, and those picks will be valued first before any other FA signings.

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Jan 21, 2015 -> 05:01 PM) I'm disappointed as well. Why didn't we sign Scherzer AND Shields, trade for Trout and at least try to pry Kershaw away from the Dodgers? I wonder why I even root for this team. Disgusting. f*** Hahn. pls don't get disappointed b/c of my and a handful of posters who complains about the glass being half full. this team as is, is going to be freaking exciting. esp Jose A. what a lineup the sox are going to field #1-7 >>>> that is 1 really nice lineup. signing a FA is too much of a commitment esp when the farms are getting ready to produce. but they are at least 1 to 2 yrs away.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 21, 2015 -> 04:19 PM) The big thing here is that nothing we have done so far weakened our prospects in the future. No key pieces of the team were given up. No ridiculous contracts were signed. The worst thing we did it potentially handicap the ability to spend more dollars in 2015. What we did was to open up our window a year, maybe even two years, early. We opened that window and left ourselves the type of squad is going to be looking to win for the next few years. Is it perfect? No. But then again no team in the AL Central is perfect. The leaders all have major holes. nice post....... really i see the NL as the team to beat esp Wash with their recent signing.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jan 21, 2015 -> 03:57 PM) I think you're right that the team has holes and lacks depth, but now you're seeing why so many of us were/are hesitant to "push the chips in" so soon. I think many of us often forget that there's only so much a GM can accomplish over a given period of time. You can't just say "I want that guy" and pay up -- other parties have to agree to contract condition and trade proposals, and things are ALWAYS more complicated than we assume from the fan perspective. The best way to look at this team is that it's definitely good enough to contend. Yes, most things are going to need to go well. Yes, an injury or two could derail it. But this signals a period of time where Rick Hahn is planning (and will be expected) to put a competitive team on the field every year that he holds his job. But you're going to be able to find holes. You're not likely to be able to go into a season confident that every position looks awesome. the the beauty of having you smart posters here. to calm the excited posters like me. but come on, all the fans can see the improvement and see that it is not yet completed. JR, wants to have the money committed first, well the surplus of players is now and the supply is dwindling. yes you do have a good , no a great point, but with young prospects to come up and fill in the holes that may develop, the sox can't do that. yeah they can invest in 1 more SP, the positional lineup looks great, but the pitching is going to carry this team. yeah, a strong 1-3 sp is great for playoff time. but the sox need to get there and without injury. the salary is between 115-118 mil, go and get another rental.

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Jan 21, 2015 -> 05:01 PM) I'm disappointed as well. Why didn't we sign Scherzer AND Shields, trade for Trout and at least try to pry Kershaw away from the Dodgers? I wonder why I even root for this team. Disgusting. f*** Hahn. it is not Hahn....... it is JR.... he always have done this. i defended him in the 90's and on other boards as well as this one in the early 2000. but i am laying it on the line now. don't be convince that what you have in the farm is enuf to get you to the playoff and further.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 21, 2015 -> 06:23 PM) I think the disappointment you are really feeling was that all of these moves happened by the first week in December and left us with too long of a void. you got a valid point to think about.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 21, 2015 -> 06:27 PM) Scout would bet on the White Sox this year. http://chicago.suntimes.com/baseball/7/71/...cubs-scouts-say that is like getting a kiss from your cousin. it doesn't mean much.

QUOTE (Armchair Hahn @ Jan 21, 2015 -> 02:37 PM) not sure on the politics of the Sox/Nats relationship...but Fister is the guy i feel would be appropriate for the Sox. We don't need another #2, #3 guy such as Zimmermann for the price that he will command in terms of trades. Fister should be relatively less costly and will fill our need of a backend #4 or 5 guy without breaking the bank. I would perhaps trade a Matt Davidson or other one of our prospects in the 6-10 range. The Nats don't have many needs at the MLB level the sox needs a sp pitcher which ever one that JR will allow Hahn to get. JR is not going to allow this.

QUOTE (Stev-o @ Jan 21, 2015 -> 05:55 PM) Hello...I've been reading this site for quite awhile, and I finally decided to "dip my toe in the water". I don't understand the posters' infatuation with prospects...other than Gio Gonzalez, when was the last time, over the last 10 seasons, that the Sox traded away a prospect who amounted to anything? welcome... that was all done in the old regime. the team is built thru prospect and young players. granted it would be nice if the sox developed them but they didn't. other teams did, either way, someone needed to develop them. now maybe with Hahn and his people, the sox will see the rewards.

QUOTE (Tex @ Jan 21, 2015 -> 06:37 PM) I joined the forum, awaiting a mod's approval. Damn, I hope that site isn't as slow as Soxtalk. hope it helps 1949 US Interstate Highways https://www.google.com/search?q=1949+US+Int...024&bih=654

thanks to all for all who posted. it was a great conversation and a lot of good debates without getting snippy. see ya.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 21, 2015 -> 02:00 PM) I'd love to see how many of those kills were situations similar to the ones portrayed in the movie, "life and death" decisions involving women and children...the split second decision of are they civilian non-combatants or terrorists? Is all of that information still classified? Certainly it's not in the interest of the government for the public to find out, for example, how many of his kills were shot in the back or not holding weapons, etc. It's hard to imagine he didn't make a few mistakes when the kill record has somewhere between 160 and 270 insurgents listed, depending on the source. The movie makes a dramatic point about potentially shooting an unarmed woman and child (if he was wrong) and intimating he would have been court-martialed. As far as the all-time record, I think it's hard to compare World War II snipers with Gulf War I and II, or how many kills World War I flying aces had with WW II, for that matter. Context is always important to take into consideration. http://frontburner.dmagazine.com/2013/02/0...tation-in-2009/ Here's a story that supposedly confirms the gas station shootings. Not sure how believable the explanation of the cover up is...it doesn't say the two victims were Mexican/Latino, but it intimates he suspected they were going to try to sell the truck across the border. That doesn't sound like a typical gringo move IMO. http://frontburner.dmagazine.com/2013/03/2...-of-chris-kyle/ And the counterpoint, why that story, if true....is troubling for so many different reasons. the bolded. ahh that is 1 point i was trying to avoid.... but i guess it was too obvious. there is a huge amount of unanswered question i have some of which you touch on.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 21, 2015 -> 01:51 PM) There's the Dunn/EJax non-completed trade situation, then the drafting and protecting of Nieto last year, among other things. too bad, they, Wash line up the best with the sox in trades. well there is still philly, cincy and someone else. i will remember larer.

QUOTE (Tex @ Jan 21, 2015 -> 01:43 PM) He claimed the local cops received word from Washington that he was "too valuable" to be arrested and that he would receive post cards from cops thanking him for "cleaning up the streets". The dude sounds crazy. How does anyone produce a movie based on a book that is so filled with inaccuracies and libelous material? I am really starting to dislike our "every Vet is a heroic figure" and can't be criticized culture we currently have. you and caulfield12 do have a point and i will not dispute it. i come from a family of vets, from my grandfather in WW2 to uncles and immediate family. there is no denying what he did to serve his county. yeah every once in a while we will have to put up with self indulgent people like him. but i will refuse to label all of them b/c if this person. no matter what, 4 tours and the most kills. save many lives.

again, setting them selves up not to go forward. the window of opportunity is now, why do this and have a 1 yr rental in jeff s is they will not go all the way. tell me, can you actually see the sox going far in the playoff, or even make the playoff with this rotation??? i am a die heart fans of sox baseball. but other teams are still getting themselves in a position to acquire more pieces. the window of opportunity is now......

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jan 21, 2015 -> 07:06 AM) There are more than enough good players on this team to where Robin 'should' get axed if we don't finish over .500 at least. I mean geez. You got Shark, Sale and Q (though somebody I trust told me today Q is overrated). You got Abreu, Melky, A. Garcia, Eaton, Alexei and LaRoche for gosh sakes. You got a catcher who is pretty good defensively. And you got a strong closer and enough candidates where you should be able to piece together a bullpen (cmon Coop, do it!). Sox don't NEED to make any more moves. Players need to perform. and that is the bullcrap that gets to me. wash has a viable 6 man rotation, bos is signing a pitcher i really like in eveland (sp) padres are looking to adding arms. the sox have a 1 yr rental in jeff s, many are expecting rodon to come in lights out and pitch. the 4/5 of the rotation has question marks. what happen an injury happens, what happen if hector doesn't perform like last yr. what happen if erik johnson or beck does not come thru. this is basically what happen last yr. i am not being overally negative, more like cautious. but this is what JR does, just spend enuf to entice, to get the fans hype, to bring in advance ticket sales.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 21, 2015 -> 02:12 AM) So Blackwater was using a French name for the same corporation? That wouldn't surprise me in the least, public relations. How do you know they were shipped in from Europe? http://www.cbsnews.com/news/stars-voice-su...ftag=YHF4eb9d17 Moore gets ripped to shreds on Twitter. Is that the same Jane Fonda or Jane Seymour (Bond Girl) married Peter Fonda? Rob Lowe usually not aligned with the conservative side of the entertainment industry. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/incredible-t...r9UwEYALRuTmYlQ On the truths and fiction of Kyle's life...as well as some poignant comments from Bradley Cooper at the end about the movie not being a political statement but more about returning from war and dealing with domestic life and family. i and many here talked to them. i was really surprise with the american merc. they gave me and my friend alot of info. at that time a friend of mine was and still is a full commander in the navy and wanted to join. now when i said i talked to them, i am meaning a hand full and they basically were saying the same thing. whether they were telling the truth of where they are based i do not know. they said the other teams are a little more mixed and some other stuff.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jan 20, 2015 -> 10:36 PM) Kyle lied his ass off on the Jesse Ventura story. oh yeah, that is for sure, i posted the link on the other thread for the movies. this reminds me of that movie sleepers. at first the movie people said it was a true story, then contradicted themselves. either way, i am wondering if the duel with the enemy sniper is true. i been trying to read up to see if it is or not. i can't find an answer one way or another.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 20, 2015 -> 10:33 PM) That person will be the poster known as raBBit on here, by the way. I'm not the one going, though I'm jealous as hell. Thanks! i hope the poster here who are going will ask some really tough questions. can't wait for the write up.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 20, 2015 -> 10:30 PM) FYI, Future Sox will have a writer credentialed and attending Sox Fest this year as a member of the media for the first time. More to come. out freaking standing. dang i wish i could make it. but mardi gras is right around the corner.

QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Jan 20, 2015 -> 10:46 PM) Haha sorry I saw "Cubs 1-6 is better than Sox" and then saw Coghlan penciled into the 2 spot and replied. What about power and damage? Conservative XBH projections: 1. Fowler 40 / Eaton 40 2. Coghlan 45 / Cabrera 55 3. Rizzo 65 / Abreu 75 4. Castro 50 / LaRoche 55 5. Soler ? / Garcia ? 6. Montero 40 / Gillaspie 35 I feel like I was generous to the cubs' players (best case scenario) and not so much with our guys. If we used best case for Sox players it looks even more lopsided. What do you think of these projections? yous guys with the advance stats really make this comparison really interesting reading. thanks.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 20, 2015 -> 10:17 PM) The Astros DFA'd Carlos Corporan. I would take him as the Sox back-up catcher over anyone else in the system. i really don't know anything about him. i see he has a little power there. how is his D???

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 20, 2015 -> 09:07 PM) There won't be either. on this one, i can actually look at the logic of how the cost may be too much. but dang it, it would be nice to have Yoan and Anderson leading the charge of the young prospects. i mean the young infield prospects.

maybe i am missing the point here. so if i am pls let me know. this is a movie based on a book. for the most part the actual part of the numbers kills are accurate. now the rest, ok i see it, but does it really matter?? i tried to use another example of this and my point and i failed, so let me try to say this. there is hardly any movie that is based 100% on truth. there is always going to be some sort of embellishment. as long as we, as fans of movies knows the difference.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 15, 2015 -> 03:43 PM) I am reading a translation of the Dead Sea scrolls now, then The World Until Yesterday: What Can We Learn from Traditional Societies by Jared Diamond. I already read Collapse and Guns, Germs, and Steel by him. http://www.amazon.com/World-Until-Yesterda...asap_bc?ie=UTF8 i just got done with that book. it was a hard one to follow. but i like it. everything in what the Gnostic religion talked about. whew. believe me, it was really hard to keep track.