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QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jul 23, 2014 -> 07:54 PM) The results from the draft lottery: Competitive Balance Round A 32. Marlins 33. Rockies 34. Cardinals 35. Brewers 36. Padres 37. Indians Competitive Balance Round B - between rounds 2 and 3 Reds Athletics Mariners Twins Orioles Diamondbacks several problems I have is with Balt and Arz getting there, but the main one is Marlins. they tank with the salary make all the profits and then get rewarded with a pick.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 23, 2014 -> 04:47 AM) Should probably be pushed down to 3rd or maybe even 4th on the Sox prospects list after tonight. well WELCOME to the big league. it was only if first start, I like everyone knows that this outing is not going to diminish his potential. btw since we know he may be fast track to the majors, is there a way to post Sale innings pitch and w/l record as a side by side count-down so to speak. since Sale was also fast track as well. man I can't wait for the new top 20 prospect for the sox.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 22, 2014 -> 08:09 PM) It's gangs. There was a gang shooting today in Skokie. Yeah, Skokie. I know they are gangs ..... I grew up on the sw side of chi. exactly on 25 and calf. right across of cook county jail in the housing projects. Harrison hs was my hs this was 60-83. I belong to a ummm ..... social club and yea if we had a problem we dealt with it. 1 on 1. guns are the equalizer for those who could hang and yet wanted to be a big man. now it is part of life. but a lot of what is going on is drugs and revenge.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 23, 2014 -> 02:57 AM) I'm not sure their economy would support it...maybe? Because San Juan, Puerto Rico has never been considered seriously to my knowledge, except for exhibition/WBC games. Mexico City would probably make more sense, except from a travel standpoint. their local economy would never be able to support something like that. however, I wonder if US had normal relations cuba could become the next vegas and maybe with the tourist number, it might help out, but still to fully support ...... nope. like you said maybe exhibition games and such.

QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Jul 23, 2014 -> 12:13 AM) Anybody want to take a guess on the figure we'd have to chip in to get a couple of decent prospects back? I was thinking something like $8M. 2 for the rest of this year and 3 for the 2 remaining years. Turns him into an $11 million dollar pitcher which seems to be around the market with guys like Jiminez, Arroyo, and Feldman. If we could get 1 of Clarkin or Judge for Danks I'd be extremely happy. I always thought we might have to chip in money to help make the trade go thru esp if we want prospects back. even with NYY they would want money. here is the interesting part, if several teams were in the mix, just maybe the salary relief may be played among them.

QUOTE (Al Lopez's Ghost @ Jul 22, 2014 -> 11:54 PM) That was in the '90's, right? I was trying to make a joke ...... hence the green

QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Jul 22, 2014 -> 10:27 PM) Agreed. Unless you go back to the 90s the Sox have really never signed a top free agent other than Dunn. psst ..... albert belle

QUOTE (Ozzie Ball @ Jul 22, 2014 -> 08:42 PM) Are the Giants a fit as a trade partner for the Sox? I think Andrew Susac would be an excellent target as a possible long-term solution to the catcher position. He's in AAA and is presumably close to being MLB ready so would fit in with what Hahn has been doing recently. He should be at least average defensively with a nice offensive skillset and is obviously blocked by Posey. I like ryan and p O'Brien from the NYY as catcher. right now ryan is start in place of the backup catcher at the majors.

Danks trading, if it comes to past, to NYY for prospects. i am thinking that Sanchez, M. Williams, Severino and Austin are off limit. With that, i would love to get A. Judge and one of the following. cat - Ryan, P. O'Brien P - M. Banuelos, M. Montgomery, B. Mitchell others - A. Avelino - inf, J Cave - of I know Judge is high "A" but I like the stats so far. btw mods, will there be a open free agent thread, there are some really good discussion going on.

plain and simple, they who are doing the shooting are cowards.

well, I would like to thank those who posted either for or against. many thanks in closing, what I wanted to point out is, baseball org were always taken advantage by others in in the sox case, jr was always above board. I wanted to point out, why not, why couldn't the owners play hardball, they the owners will lose their advantage when they become free agents. now, what came across with my examples (poor one at that) is I was defending HOU and my dislike for Scott B. while I do dislike Scott B and the way he does business, I was trying to us him and examples of what he was behind in the sox dealings as the example. thanks

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jul 21, 2014 -> 11:50 PM) Those are not comp picks. They are called Competitive Balance picks and they can be traded immediately. I would love if the White Sox could acquire a pick or two. Also, Only picks 1-10 are protected regardless. Whoever finishes with the 10th worst record will choose 11th and therefore be screwed. It happened a couple of years ago. The Mets wanted to sign Bourn and couldn't because they would have lost the 11th pick. a question to those who know. how is the competitive balance picks are awarded?

btw is that Andrew Mitchell the sox prospect that was mention as best secondary pitch?

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jul 21, 2014 -> 10:40 PM) Not agreeing on a contract is not the same thing as what happened here. The team had a mutual agreement with the player of a contract around 6.5 million. The Astros are changing the terms of the contract because of a perceived chance of injury to a non injured ligament. good points by all, if I may, I like to add another snippet. Arod, Alex F, Bobby S all had a verbal agreement with the sox by Scott B, Scott B then went to another team and told them to either beat it or they will sign with the sox. well to hell with the verbal commitment they signed with the other team. same thing, a mutual agreement didn't mean anything to Scott B.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jul 22, 2014 -> 02:06 AM) The Boras Story was posted in here. Easy to read. A pretty good plan too. LDF and Caulfield both said they did not read the article that was easily posted in here and very clearly readable. Then they both posted information that wasn't in the article and asked questions about things that could have been read. I love Soxtalk. the story is somewhat an old theme for Scott B. he wants free agents starting from drafted players, or in case tweak the draft and get some player as a free agent. the point being with the allotted money that is reserved by the current slot. this is still taking baby steps to total free agents with a minor twist, creative twist>yes.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 21, 2014 -> 08:59 PM) Chicago White Sox ‏@whitesox 4m Don Cooper has vertigo and likely will miss the #Royals series. I truly hope it is not his heart?

Alex Fernandez with the sox in 96, marlins 97 and injury 98.... ok, it seem as everyone is focusing on the hou attempt of trickery. lets use a different player and a different org. the org used only used 90% of the allotted signing bonus and was playing hardball. the player didn't sign and went back to school. would the team been blasted or would you blast the team?

every since Scott B, the sports agent, came into baseball and the sox lost out on Alex Fernandez and Bobby Seay, the baseball world was on the players side somewhat. its the old David vs Goliath story with the baseball org as Goliath. now let see modern day with Rodon, I am just as happy we got a very good young prospect to help the sox org, and the sox even went overslot to get him. now comes hou and their maneuvering which failed miserable, now everyone in baseball sports forum and sports site is chastising the org for screwing up. many are on Aiken side and rightful so. so let me put it this way. Baseball is both a business and a sports and should not be confuse. on the business side, the org has to deal with advisors/agents and the big bosses created the draft with slot money for signing bonuses. this was to help curb the ability of the agent somewhat and give what they believe a good bonus on the slot they were drafted. however, players can sign for more or less. the sox as an example had to go over slot by +/- 15 % to sign him. if not then the sox would have lost the pick this yr with all the bonus money till next yr. ok I am with that then why couldn't hou offer 90% of the allotted money and says sign or go back to school, which they did. so why is hou wrong. taking their stupidity of the injury out of the equation. you can use any team for this example, but why is the team wrong for using the same tact that sports agents being for yrs.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 21, 2014 -> 07:54 PM) Is there any doubt that 29 other teams would bid the same $6.5 million? I know what you wrote, but I need some help in understanding what it means. sorry

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 21, 2014 -> 03:19 PM) Last season we did a LOT of prospect interviews, 25 players in all (more than half in person, the rest via phone). We've only done a couple this year. So, who would you like to hear from? Below is a list of all the players we have already interviewed in the past year or two (not in any real order). We'd rather get someone new, so, NOT someone on this list... Tim Anderson Micah Johnson (twice) Courtney Hawkins Trey Michalczewski Tyler Danish Erik Johnson Jacob May Marcus Semien Josh Phegley Keon Barnum Kevan Smith Joey DeMichele (twice) Myles Jaye Jason Coats Mike Recchia Brad Goldberg Thad Lowry Chris Bassitt Dan Black James Dykstra Adam Lopez Jake Cose Chris Curley Sammy Ayala (gone) Mark Haddow (gone) Stew Brase (gone) Scott Carroll* (was actually a piece he wrote himself, now in MLB) --- Dan Fabian (Sox Baseball Ops) Brian Boesch (W-S Dash Announcer) Mike Gellinger (manager, AZL White Sox) Tommy Thompson (manager, Winston-Salem Dash) Ryan Newman (was manager of Dash, now a coach with Charlotte) Buddy Bell (Director of Player Development) So who NOT on that list appeals? Keep in mind that the guys in AZL might be tough gets, so it is more likely we can get guys in Great Falls or a full season league. But we are certainly willing to TRY for AZL guys. the player I bolded would be great, Anderson on how he has improved this yr with the knowledge he is getting closer to the majors. erik Johnson to give us his take on what happen this yr, also with the knowledge that sox army of fans hasn't lost hope for him any of the managers bold will be a great interview on how, with the influx of new blood, the overall system is getting better. is there any hidden prospect that surprise the crap out of them on how good they are? also I know about no interview with Rodon I second Rangel Ravelo

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 21, 2014 -> 06:09 PM) How Boras would solve the Aiken type scenario. http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/scott-b...ken-mess-072114 great work in finding this link and other work you and the mods do. I only to need read some of the 1 paragraph to realize, this is the same BS Borass is spouting. 3-4 yrs ago, he mention that prospect should be FA's and to do away with the draft completely. he was advocating that his clients should hold out if necessary. he also suggested that with the new draft, he will go overslot money or have his clients hold out. if the money/signing bonus between 90-100% for comp pick, then it should be 90-110% with a hard cap. what HOU is now implying that the gm was not around but on vacation..... BULL s***TE.. you, me, and everyone knows that he was on this old invention called a cell phone getting updates.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 21, 2014 -> 05:44 PM) There is a real chance that the team saves a million+dollars with a Hoffman signing. With that money, it isn't a big leap to see them throw a half million/million at De Oca. At that point the equation becomes Rodon vs Hoffman + De Oca. That is a part of the new math of this slotted system. It isn't just player A vs Player B. Contracts are much more important than they used to be. all things being fair, if hoffman was on the board and healthy, the sox would have taken him over rodon and any other hs'er. so in other words i agree.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 20, 2014 -> 07:35 PM) I'm glad to see the draft lovers on this board have not wanted the Sox to tank this season to get a high draft pick. This case again shows the uncertainty of the draft. What if the Sox would have drafted this guy and they not signed him or his arm woulda fallen off so to speak in the minors? I haven't read the threads, but certainly some Sox fans would have loved to draft this guy. What did Houston get out of having the worst record last year? Nothing. It's all a crapshoot, baby. if rodon was dafted ahead of aiken and he was avail when the sox pick, I believes that the sox will be tempted to draft him. remember with the sox drafting, they want someone who can be major league ready fast. I was not here last yr, so I wouldn't know about the fans wanting to team to tank and if you look at it, everything is uncertain and the draft is a crapshoot. last thing, accrording to something I read, didn't NIX and MARCHAL dropped b/c they wanted to honor their commitment to school. why were they hurt or surprise by the whole crap that HOU was trying to do and esp NIX camp saying that they may have signed for 1+ million.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 21, 2014 -> 02:16 AM) There is a real chance that if Hoffman was healthy and on the board with Rodon, Hoffman would be wearing a Winston Salem jersey right now. imho, you are not quite right. if Hoffman was healthy I think Hoffman will be a factor with all 3 top picks. the reason being, closes to be major league ready. pos little time to develop and be in the majors quickly.

there are several things I would write about this whole thing, but I don't have time this weekend. here is 1 major thing I am thinking of, I really hope Aiken does not get hurt. the reason is, if he does get hurt, esp his arm, this will give a reason for HOU to say, "see, we told you so". I just don't want HOU to be right in this matter.