LDF

I rather judge robin when we have a solid 5 starters and solid outfield when the time to win is there.

QUOTE (Vance Law @ Jun 26, 2014 -> 07:40 PM) For the World Series champion 2005 team, Podsednik had an 86 OPS+ Eaton is currently sitting on a 105 OPS+ forgive me here but what is the point???? is eaton 105 good or bad????

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jun 25, 2014 -> 04:11 PM) Jose Valentin was also a better fielding shortstop too. was it jose v that did a check swing on purpose and hit the ball in the minn dougout like several times? I believe they were making fun of him or something.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Jun 26, 2014 -> 07:28 PM) I just don't think it's necessary in this day and age to ask on a board how many home runs a player has. In the time it takes to ask that question, you could have found out on your own. There's nothing wrong with what you did, but do you really need others to help you there? Is that a contribution to the conversation? after my major screw up, believe you me, I will do more research before I post. ....... or not. peace

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 26, 2014 -> 06:59 PM) At the rate he is going, he might finish the season there, especially if they get to the post season. I like to ask this, do you really think moving him up either now or later will help. the reason I and asking is I feel like he is getting his game back. the same game potential that made him a our #1 pick. let him fully get his confidence going. however the base professional will know more than I would. your thoughts are appreciated.

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jun 26, 2014 -> 07:25 PM) Ozzie was a much better game manager than Robin. Ozzie was more middle of the pack in that respect. In his first couple/few seasons, before his ego got the best of him, the way he would handle the clubhouse and media and get the players to play for him overall made him an asset. Ozzie's #1 biggest issue was ego, and his #2 biggest issue wasn't really even his fault, it was Reinsdorf's fault, by letting him be part-GM and help do Kenny's job. I guess the thought with Robin was that he could be an Ozzie-like manager in terms of dealing with the public and clubhouse, and could keep things in order, without all the ego stuff, self-importance, without all the feelings of entitlement that he should be allowed to make GM types of decisions or heavily influence what the GM wanted to do, etc. **IF** Robin could develop into a mid-level, Ozzie type of game/field manager and do the above then we will have an asset. But 3 years into this thing and I see still the glaring brain farts, none more glaring than micromanaging the IF defense while allowing your corner OFs to play shallow routinely, falling for the fake bunt and drawing the 3B in so the hitter can smack the ball by him when the guy at the plate isn't even a threat to lay down a good bunt anyway, not getting his relievers up in time and deciding to overtrust and undertrust players, etc. Just the basic stuff. I will say that I like a few things, like his use of Nieto this year and so on, basically taking a chance and adding a bench player as mostly the backup C role is a spot that isn't even used. On the whole he's bad though. I could get behind the idea Chisoxfn through out there about a new bench coach. If this is mostly/largely Parent's work then HE GONE. IMO. ozzie had coaching history after he played ball. robin is imho learning on the job.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jun 26, 2014 -> 07:27 PM) Never in million, zillion years did I ever think you'd make this much sense, but you hit the nail on the head so perfectly and astutely with this that I'm not sure it's really even you anymore.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Jun 26, 2014 -> 06:52 PM) My problem with Ventura is that we are seeing the exact same mental mistakes in the field and on the basepaths as last year. Throw in his at times puzzling bullpen decisions (granted he has s*** to work with) and I don't really think he's the man we want when we have a decent team again. IMO his only real strength is that he keeps things in the clubhouse and deals well with the media. His tactics often leave me scratching my head and some of his decisions have led directly to losses. Running out of pitchers earlier in the year was a pretty bad sin. That's just not something that can happen in your 3rd year managing. the blame can't all be the manager, he gets advise from his coaches.

I just saying that let him earned his place in the rotation and not let it be a given b/c of the contract. I see no reason to rush him this yr wait the offseason, get better, rest the arm and come out in spring training and do well. contract is contract and I don't care.

To all that asked about the ss I saw on the vid. first I would like to thank all for not flaming me when you had the chance for a stupid mistake I did or should I say saw. I looked and saw through out our minor league system and the only person I came close too is Cleulius Rondon, I was totally wrong on RR and I feel like a complete idiot. this also prove that you guys really know our systems....... good catch on my mistake.

QUOTE (southside hitman @ Jun 26, 2014 -> 04:01 PM) Thank you for the kind words LDF. Below are links to reports on Dykstra, including from Dykstra himself. http://www.southsidesox.com/2013/6/8/44086...sox-day-2-recap http://www.chicagonow.com/future-sox/2014/...-james-dysktra/ http://www.perfectgame.org/players/playerp...e.aspx?ID=69399 again this is why soxtalk is among the best and trust me, I been visiting other site to know the difference. just read the material, I hope he make it. the writer did a great job..... and he is improving. again good work.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Jun 26, 2014 -> 03:08 PM) And if that is the case it'll have absolutely no effect on his clock or the White Sox's control of his rights long term if he's any damn good. Clock stops when you're sent to the minors and he'd run out of options in 2018, he should be a fixture in the majors by then. my bad.... I thought his clock starts when he comes up.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 26, 2014 -> 02:54 PM) We better trade Beckham soon before he ends up down in the 240's like Viciedo and with a sub 700 OPS. its too late ................ the time to have traded him would have been when he was over 300, then 290. now he is hitting his norm. the return may not be too good.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 26, 2014 -> 02:40 PM) I don't think managing baseball games is splitting atoms. Ventura had plenty of baseball experience, knew the grind well and was a leader on some teams who had several leader types. Why don't we see how he does with a team with good players before judging his work? Most of his criticizms here come after the fact, and assume that the guy he SHOULD have brought in, would have been lights out, which simply isn't feasable. Fix the team first. Then if the manager needs to be fixed, fix it, but not now. Besides, most if not all of the pitching moves he makes are not his decision alone. man there is something terrible wrong here..... I am in agreement with Dick Allen

QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Jun 26, 2014 -> 02:38 PM) Yup. Hell, if anything, Rodon taking a ciesta is just helping the Sox delay the start of his clock. I understand how everyone wants to see the new toy run and all but we do need to be patient which isn't easy when your team sucks. you do know if he does sign, he is going to have a clause in there that will force the sox to begin his clock around sep of this yr.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jun 26, 2014 -> 02:32 PM) I think we should address the manager after we address the team on the field. that is when we put a full competitive team on the field. then let see how robin can manage.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 26, 2014 -> 02:29 PM) So has anyone starting stalking out ORD yet? Next flight from CLT arrives in about 15 minutes. now that is old vintage southside humor.... I like it.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jun 26, 2014 -> 02:24 PM) http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/06/whit...cott-downs.html a great catch.

QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Jun 26, 2014 -> 02:24 PM) If the Sox hold that kind of sale for the trade dead line the Rays will have their hands full as far as competition for the #1 pick June 2015. Two holes in the rotation ( jury not in yet on Noesi), a horrible pen and then trading half or more of your starting lineup is going to make this season even more difficult to bare. But we all knew this season was about discovering what we have at the major and minor league levels. At least going into the off season Hahn will have a better idea of what holes need to be filled and what resources he can use to fill those holes. that is what it is all about. a great phrase.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jun 26, 2014 -> 02:08 PM) With the Sox out of it now, push Rodon's clock as late as possible next year. Then hope for 160 starts from 2016-2020, and see what happens---keep him for 2021 if the Sox are good, or trade him for prospects, since he's a Boras client. and see the firework from rodon camp.... I like it.

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jun 26, 2014 -> 02:09 PM) I made a poll but there's no poll!?!?! this yr, imho he made 1 major error, that of keeping sale in when he shouldn't have, esp this early in the season. can anyone find major reason to fire the skipper when we are in this faze of rebuilding.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 26, 2014 -> 02:00 PM) The problem is that Semien, Erik Johnson and Webb have all fallen on their faces so far. Davidson's sporting a 650ish OPS at Charlotte. Garcia's injured. That leaves Abreu, Eaton and Conor Gillaspie as the lone positives (and Noesi, maybe). Obviously, Abreu's a huge piece, and Rodon should be as well, so they're still stuck in a bit of a quandary, because by trading/dumping Ramirez, Beckham, Viciedo/DeAza and Dunn, you're talking about replacing 4 starters already, and Flowers/Nieto would be 5. Nobody's going to cry over losing most of those guys, but there's just no way they'll replace Alexei adequately with what we already have in our system...maybe one of Sanchez/Semien is adequate or a replacement level player, but I'm not even counting on that at the moment. But do you honestly think they can afford to wait around on Tim Anderson, Courtney Hawkins and Montas? Why would Hahn hint at putting Rodon in the rotation as soon as next year if they're targeting 2017 and 2018? webb is my guy since summer, I even mention him in the top 10. beside that, he is growing and learning. not everyone is going to have a great night everynight. there is a learning curve.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 26, 2014 -> 01:57 PM) Matt Lindstrom and Nate Jones are the top 2 relievers for the Sox? C'mon man. If those are your top 2 relievers, your bullpen sucks to begin with. if those are the best we have, we deal with it, we are in a rebuilding stage..... we have only 2 / 3 starting pitchers, our lineup is weak..... the point is I can continue but for what purpose, to beat a dead horse. peace

QUOTE (southside hitman @ Jun 26, 2014 -> 02:03 PM) http://www.chicagonow.com/future-sox/2014/...-boil-crawdads/ Recap posted. Unfortunately I will be finishing most of these in the mornings, as the AZL game doesn't start until late. hey it a great job you do.... keep it up and many thanks, it prob hard to due. BTW .... does anyone have a profile on James Dykstra his pitch tools and speed of his fb etc.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jun 26, 2014 -> 01:03 PM) Throughout the minor leagues Johnson looked like a definite #4 starter and maybe even a #3. He was never back end filler. His stuff is just gone. you are prob right, my understanding was along the lines of who else did we have pitching in front of him. maybe a weak attempt to sound like I know what I am talking about.