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QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jul 9, 2007 -> 08:15 AM) Depending on who he goes to, the supplemental picks will be worth something. He is a long framed, aging OF who has issues this year with his legs. He has slowed down over the last few years and projects to be a DH more than a OF and we have a DH right now. I dont know if we want to back that for a few years at a lot of money. Even if he goes to one of the worse teams in baseball, we will still get decent picks. Worse case you don't get as many first rounders but you are still getting talent (plus often times you can get first round talent a little later if you pay extra). I would be all for Dye if you got him at a bargain. 8 mill a year isn't that. You get him to agree to an incentive laden 2-3 year at 4-6 mill deal and I'd think that would be a decent option with the club than finding a CF and sticking with youth in the other spot. I should point that we would be signing Dye as a LF, not a RF. Note: I still think a team will give him around 3yr 24 mill and that could turn into a good deal but it is also too much for the Sox to pay when there are guys like Ichiro, Andruw Jones, Aaron Rowand, and Torri Hunter out there.

It scares me to think Kenny wouldn't trade some of those olders players. This team needs a good dose of youth to be mixed in with the veteran presence and unfortunately that does of youth is not going to be coming from our own farm system (since we don't have that type of talent).

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jul 8, 2007 -> 08:18 PM) I've been here over two years, and I don't think I've ever seen a post of yours. Yet, you have over 4,000. What am I missing here? LDF is old school...one of the first posters I ever remember being here (in fact he posted here before the place was Soxtalk and we were using a different board format).

McCulloch is healthy but he left the game due to field conditions or something like that.

Whats your point. One hit 20 plus points higher and actually looked decent at the plate. He's also absolutely killing AAA right now. Just to point something out I've said that about Anderson from day one and so far thats making me look pretty good (wish it wasn't cause Anderson is a tremendous athlete). I have also never heard anything about Cedeno having a crappy attitude. I'm sure your going to tell me how Cedeno has a crappy OPS and whatever else but I'm not all that concerned with OPS out of the shortstop position, especially if a guy could potentially hit for a pretty good average. And by all means I'm not saying Cedeno is a sure fire thing but he has talent.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jul 8, 2007 -> 06:29 PM) I think when all is said and done, someone is going to give Hunter more years and more dollars per year, by a wide margin. Remember the Red Sox need a CF, and they need him badly. If Seattle keeps playing well, and makes Ichiro want to still stay there, then Hunter is the #1 CF on the open market, and you know what that means... The Red Sox have JD Drew, Coco Crisp, Manny Ramirez, Ellsbury so they really aren't too desperate for a CFer. The Yanks have Damon so realistically the two big spenders will be out. The Angels have Matthews JR and the Dodgers just spent money on Pierre in CF (whom I'm pretty sure the Sox could get for pretty much nothing if they wanted him) so that takes out two more big spenders.

I think the Dbacks are a bit down on Quentin and I would be a fan of acquiring him. I dont' know if they would want Dye or if we could be a team that gives up the prospects to another team in some sort of 3 way deal (with Broadway or someone else going to another team...Quentin coming to the Sox and a bat going to the Dbacks). I don't think I'd give up more than Dye to get Quentin but I would like Quentin in our system.

Welcome aboard Lemon. Good to have you here. As far as the trades go, I think the one that is the most plausible would be the Garland/Dye to the Dodgers for Billingsley/Broxton/Kemp. I don't think that deal actually gets done but if the Sox and Dodgers want to make a deal I think they could do something similar in terms of talent that goes. Kemp would be a key piece to any deal with the Dodgers as should Hu (AA shortstop that is being promoted to AAA after the Futures Game) plus a starting pitching prospect (if you could get Billingsley fantastic) but I think you would settle for another highly touted prospect. I do not think the Dodgers part with Broxton as they are buying for the pennant race and it would not be wise to part with one of there more talented relievers. As far as Jose goes, I think you are over-rating his trade value immensley. The Mets indicated they would not give up one of Pelfrey/Milledge for Buehrle so I find it hard to believe they would give up both for Contreras (if one). However, if the Sox can get a good prospect for Contreras they should take the deal and run, imo. That said I may under-rate Joses value but he has been horrid and has dropped 7 MPH off his fastball which has to concern scouts. In terms of Hudson, I doubt the club will go after him but if they did the Sox could be interested but the Dbacks would have little interest in Anderson. They alreayd have Chris Young slotted into Cf for a long time plus they have Carlos Gonzalez and Quentin pencilled in to go with Eric Byrnes (who they may try to bring back) so there really isn't a fit for Anderson. And that doesn't even factor in Justin Upton, one of the premiere prospects in all of baseball. The Sox are also very high on Richar so he'll likely be given a shot to play 2nd.

You might as well let Wasserman come up and see what happens. Maybe he'll stick but most likely he won't (still at this point no harm in trying). Hu is absolutely legit. I fell in love with this guy just watching him in today's game. Wow, he just knows how to play and has a very good mixture of tools. He's going to be the type of player that helps a team win for a long long time (to see him go opposite field and do the little things was just impressive). Of course I'm basing that on the one time I've seen him play but I've read other prognosticators who have said similar things. I would love him on the Sox but I highly doubt Jermaine Dye will fetch that (unless of course he mashes over the next couple of weeks). Ellsbury is a guy that is probably not an option for the Sox unless Garland or Javy are headed to Boston. Ellsbury is ridiculously fast and projects to be an above average defensive center fielder (poor arm though). He will not hit for much power but doesn't strike out much and has shown improving strike zone judgement. He could definitely be a fixture a top the order for the next 5-10 years, posting a .360 OBP or higher all while stealing 50+ bases (at least thats what the Red Sox or a team that acquires him will hope). I'd rather have Juan Uribe than Jack Wilson, but thats just me. If the Sox want to get rid of Uribe they need to find a way to get a legitimate SS prospect that is close to major league ready (whether thats Hu, Ronny Cedeno or if they somehow think Richar is gonna be able to play SS although I highly doubt that will be the case).

Bucholtz had a nasty curve, but the other stuff wasn't much (his fastball was meh and I didn't see any other impressive secondary stuff). Still, the highlights they showed of him were insane (the curves he was throwing). Kershaw had great velocity for a youngster but I didn't see him throw any brilliant curves while in. That said, its hard to judge anyone on one short outing in an all star type of game. Kershaw is supposed to have one of the best curve balls in milb.

Fantastic post Jackie and thanks for everything you've done so far Mark and I look forward to you doing a lot more in a Sox uniform!!!!

QUOTE(BearSox @ Jul 8, 2007 -> 05:42 PM) If we could get a ML ready catching prospect, like Salty (somehow), I'd think AJP to the Cubs would be a pretty good deal. We could probably get a pretty good return as the Cubs are in need of a Catcher who can hit his weight. Ya, I was asking around because I thought AJ would be a great fit for the Cubs and Murton/Cedeno would fill two major needs for the Sox. The key would be finding a way to get a catcher from someone and than using Hall as the insurance policy (plus you have Donny Lucy down in AA).

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jul 8, 2007 -> 05:09 PM) For the differences in money, I would rather have Aaron Rowand in CF next year... I think you will be surprised and there will only be a couple mill difference in money between the two and at that rate I'm taking Hunter who is hands down the better and more consistent player. But if I were wrong and Rowand would take less money than I think he'll get offered (I think someone goes as high as 9 million over 4 years) than I would be happy with that.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jul 8, 2007 -> 05:21 PM) Sounds promising on DLS from what I've read here. Starting out in the low to mid 90's, and then hitting 95-96 as he went on. If he can develop that change (which I'm confident he can, because many other Sox SP prospects such as B-Mac have), he'll become quite the prospect. He's ready for high A, and I wouldn't mind seeing him in AA as a matter of fact. The ballpark will help him, but you've got to consider is he being rushed too early? That is too big of a jump and there is no reason to do it.

Just one of the greatest offensive players of all time.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Jul 8, 2007 -> 04:07 PM) Well, know A lot of us appreciate it. It's a great tool to have. Kalapse, email me the html behind it and I'll upload it and link it up onto the top of the forums.

How about we get a fancy Buehrle wallpaper in honor of having him back? Anyone up for the task?

QUOTE(Heads22 @ Jul 8, 2007 -> 03:29 PM) I'm still intrigued as to McCulloch. I've put in a request for info.

Whoops...meant to say Dye is older plus Hunter does a lot of things right. Good catch qwerty...oh and post more

Holy s***...Bucholtz looks good (or his highlights do). That is a nasty nasty breaking ball he has (based on those highlights).

What would the Dbacks want along with Iguchi to get rid of Hudson? I'd assume it would be something that helped there major league club. Would they be looking for a reliever or another starter? Jose Contreras and Iguchi for Hudson and Quentin would be a winning idea as far as I'm concerned. Quentin got sent back down but he has some nice power potential and very good tools and is pretty much major league ready.

This Guerra kid for the Mets throws a really really heavy ball.

QUOTE(BearSox @ Jul 8, 2007 -> 02:52 PM) That would be the best thing ever if Dye gets healthy and goes on a tear and Count throws a couple of Gems, and then the Dodgers trade Kemp (if healthy) for them (plus cash). As long as the players aren't 1,000 years old, I'd have no problem with it. But Broadway got rocked today again. I think if the Sox buy they would be buying from other sellers. When they sell it will likely be to major contenders. I also think that Kenny will be buying cheaper players that may have fallen out of love that could potentially fill needs. Again, I get player happy and hone in on certain guys so Cedeno and Murton are two of those type of players I'd be talking about (however the Cubs would obviously want stuff to help there major league club out). There could be those type of guys on teams out of contention though and the Sox could get them using there own prospects that they may not like quite as much (or project quite as much).

QUOTE(Heads22 @ Jul 8, 2007 -> 02:48 PM) I don't like two-pitch prospects at all when looking at a starter, especially when that second pitch is a slider. That's just me, I suppose. He needs a change. I don't know how to point this out, but just cause he only threw two pitches in an inning doesn't mean thats all he throws. Plus no prospect in low A ball has 3 plus pitches (unless they are a honed college top 5 arm and are just down in A ball for a couple starts). He has a change, it just isn't a good to plus pitch but he has a couple years to develop it and he still needs to work on his command of his fastball and slider as well.

Kemp is a stud in the making. He would be a coup to acquire, but I just don't see the Sox able to get him unless Dye and Contreras would do it for the Dodgers (and for that to happen both would have to heat up). QUOTE(Cerbaho-WG @ Jul 8, 2007 -> 02:49 PM) As for more trade speculation, McCullouch only went 1 IP for WS today (0 H 0 R 0 BB 2 SO). Just sayin'. I still say the Sox buy and move guys like McCulloch/Anderson/Broadway for guys that they think will help them next year and in the future. And than they sell other guys.