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QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Jun 17, 2007 -> 05:11 PM) It came off as sounding as you saying Jason doesn't know what he's talking about. That's all I was responding to. Of course I've been wrong and will continue to be wrong on certain things. ESPN commentators? You can't be serious? Yeah, that's why I like those Met prospects -- because ESPN has hyped them. No other reasons, really... By the way Keith, in regards to the point you have about Maine, Oliver Perez and El Duque. I just wanted to say that I think all three have had pretty impressive years (I know I was always for trying to pick up Oliver Perez to see if things could be corrected and he's doing fantastic for the Mets). However, there is no way I'm about to bank my chances on at least two of those guys in my post-season rotation (at least I'd prefer not to if possible and that is if Pedro proves to be his old self once returning...otherwise you are talking about three of them in the pen). Still, you are probably right and the Mets hold off to make any sort of moves (at least ones where they would have to give up a ransom of talent) until they get a better idea of Pedro.

Um...I don't get it. Billy Goat has nothing to do with baseball. A hitting coach has a s***load to do with baseball. Bottom line this offense and the bullpen have been horrendous. The offense has been bad all season while the pen actually was good for the first month of the season. Point being...with a better offense this team has quite a few more wins (same can be said about the pen) and well Greg Walker is the hitting coach so when a team is the worse in baseball (and possesses guys that have produced during large chunks of there major league careers) the blame is going to deservingly get pointed at the guy whose paid to teach and help work with the hitters (whether its his fault or not).

QUOTE(hitlesswonder @ Jun 17, 2007 -> 07:17 PM) Guillen has been right about every prospect he decided couldn't play. Anderson, McCarthy, and Sweeney have done absolutely nothing to prove Guillen was wrong. I don't think it's the major league coaching staff's fault that Sox prospects don't develop into impact major leaguers. Ummm...Guillen absolutely LOVES and I mean LOVES Ryan Sweeney so I don't know how you bundled him up with McCarthy and Anderson.

The Dodgers may be more interested. Loney got hurt in today's game (had to get carted off the field with a knee injury). It was only his 3rd start at the major league level in the outfield though.

If I can get time, I'll see if I can get something put together. The problem is time is not something I have too much of right now (at least not in terms of being able to work on the site...pretty focused on rolling out some interviews with some of the new draft picks).

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Jun 17, 2007 -> 04:48 PM) Those two bolded portions say it all, I think. I just hope KW doesn't wind up holding out for the world and winds up with nothing, like Bowden last summer. I've considered that I don't know what I'm talking about. And when I'm wrong, I admit I was wrong. Have you ever considered that you don't know what you're talking about, with whatever? Ya, I admit I'm wrong all the time, but I'm not debating his velocity because I"ve watched games and know what he throws. Whether he will have the command/mental fortitude to succeed at the major league level is another thing. And I'm not even going to go farther into your argument based on your discussions. My past record in regards to evaluating/discussing prospects and baseball is all I need to point to.

QUOTE(Brian @ Jun 17, 2007 -> 02:22 PM) 25, led off the 9th with an inside the parker. Yikes. Brewers come back and tie it off Nathan in the 9th. Holy crap...they were up like 6 or 7 runs earlier today (was watching the game for a bit).

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Jun 17, 2007 -> 04:24 PM) I just wish we could deal Buehrle then sign him in the offseason. That's my ideal scenario. No, he doesn't. Not anymore. His stuff isn't bad -- it's still good -- but it isn't what it used to be back in his glory days as a #1 draft pick. Gavin Floyd just isn't a good pitcher and he'll prove it. Listen...I'm going to make one thing clear. Unless you are watching the games down in Charlotte you should seriously shut the hell up when making radical assumptions. I have it on record from multiple people (some within the org...some outside of the org) as well as what I've seen with my own eyes (watching some of the games on the MILB.TV dealy) and his stuff is every bit as good as it was when he was one of the top ranked prospects in baseball (his command and tempo is improving and he's getting a more consistent release point and more importantly regaining his confidence). The curve he has been throwing is nasty and he has been consistently getting clocked into the mid 90's (good downward plane to the ball as well). Am I guaranteeing success no, but don't tell me about his stuff not being what it once was yada yada yada. You can say you don't think he'll be good, but this ridiculous he's a stiff and will suck for sure is pure bulls*** and I'm calling you out on it.

I know he didn't pitch, but I've heard some improving stuff on McCulloch. Sounds like he's been doing a lot better (stuff wise) as of late. Looks like Lance had a real good outing. I still think he's the type of guy you sell "high" in order to get a young middle infield prospect or outfielder in here. I really want to see Sweeney recalled and was glad to see Derek Rodriguez with a nice start (He's got a real nice arm and I think long term projects as a potential set up man...pretty good FB and slider IIRC).

QUOTE(aboz56 @ Jun 17, 2007 -> 01:50 PM) I can see both sides to the argument, but it's only really a problem if he doesn't stay inside the batter's box. If he wants to stand there and get hit, that's his prerogative. The way I see it, you hate him if he's on the other team, but you love him if he's on your team. Maybe he's got a little bit of Biggio in him.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Jun 17, 2007 -> 02:24 PM) Fixed. And yeah, I can't really dispute that. Let's just hope our GM doesn't make the same judgements based off of tiny sample sizes that you seem to be making. And I think those expectations are well out of whack. Again -- it's three months for Buehrle -- not three months plus the extension -- for a combined 18 years of those top prospects. If Minaya liked Buehrle enough, he could throw gobs of money at him this winter. I didn't respond to it because I didn't feel I needed to. I don't really give a damn about hype. I judge each prospect on their own merits, and I read and hear what other people think about these guys. I make my own judgements about whose opinion I'm going to 'respect' (for lack of a better term) -- for example, I'm not going to believe and listen to Steve Phillips if he tells me Lastings Milledge is going to be the best player to ever step on a baseball field. I like Milledge because he's a guy that both scouts and 'stat' guys like for his combination of tools and performance. I like Pelfrey because, well, it's hard not to like one of the top pitching prospects in baseball. Ditto Martinez. And since we seem to be getting into semantics here, here's what I initially said: I take 'bet' to mean if I offer $500 and, if the Sox don't get that package of players back, I'm getting $500 players back. But I understand that with me using the word "offer" in the next sentence, it's going to mean me just giving up $500 dollars. If it means me taking a hit to my manhood, though, for not giving up $500 dollars on something that I'm thinking one way and you're thinking another, then -- damnit -- I just don't know how I'm going to live the rest of my live. Might as well just pack it in, really... Throwing money at Buehrle this winter, doesn't help the Mets win the world series NOW. The whole point in making a deadline move is to help your team get to the series now and in doing so you have to sacrifice some of your future (sometimes the trade a team makes will also help them a couple years down the road). In this case it could (Buehrle goes to NY, likes the Mets, maybe stays there...either way they could give a crap if they think he's the guy that puts them over the top). QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Jun 17, 2007 -> 04:17 PM) I don't want to come off as a dick with a vendetta but the truth is that Floyd has no major league pitching future and if we make any deals with the idea that Floyd is a difference-maker for the rotation in future years we are going to be f***ed. The kid that makes everything possible is Billingsley for Dye. Wow....glad to know you know the future but I'd prefer not to write off the guy with the best arm in the Sox system (in fact he's got the best arm of any Sox starting pitcher not named Javier Vazquez).

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Jun 17, 2007 -> 03:15 PM) Oh, gross. -- This all goes back to Billingsley for Dye. I'd do that straight up. Makes it a lot easier to deal another starter and keep Buehrle and sign an OFer, too, preferably a good one (Ichiro, who pays for himself). We deal another starter for a hot prospect (Milledge?) and there you go. Re-stocked. A lot of guys have to go, though. Not just because it frees up money but because this team needs to be rebuilt. The Sox absolutely have to get a very good young outfield prospect or two depending on the trades that are made (I also think another middle infield prospect or two is a must as well). In Dye's case I'd take one good outfield or middle infield prospect plus a top notch starting pitching prospect (Billingsley clearly fits the bill and because of how good he was I may be willing to give some lee-way in terms of the other prospect, however, Dye should command a good package, especially if he could heat up....plus you know the Pads will be interested as well).

QUOTE(DonnyDevito @ Jun 17, 2007 -> 02:41 PM) maybe they noticed the white sox can't figure out their crap OF prospects (joe borchard, brian anderson, jerry owens, ect.) from their good ones (cunnigham, young, ect.) so they wanted to rip the white sox off just like they did last time. we can hype this SS up all day but i've heard all the hype in the world with borchard, mccarthy, ect. that's why they call chicago the windy city because chicagoans talk up their young prospects like they're the next coming when in reality they flop time and again. I Think that used to be the case but now I really think they under-value some to most of there prospects. That said, it is a fact that this team has little to nothing when it comes to high upside high impact prospects. Kenny made changes this year and you could flat out tell that they are getting a little more agressive to find higher impact guys (taking power arms with the hope of developing and honing the secondary stuff). QUOTE(Beastly @ Jun 17, 2007 -> 03:05 PM) We should have just kept Ray-Ray because he was exciting to watch and IMO, is still better than Iguchi. But maybe the times have changed. Speaking of which, can you see KW trading Iguchi to Anaheim or Seattle since he wants to play somewhere warmer? (Possibly closer to home?) Anaheim has a zillion various middle infielders so that would be a no (Aybar, Kendrick, Wood, Figgins, Cabrera, etc).

Fields is fun to watch and I can't call the loss pathetic based on the offense, rather based on the absolute stupid baserunning and defense. Nice play by Bay to rob Thome of the go ahead homer.

QUOTE(Beastly @ Jun 17, 2007 -> 02:31 PM) I agree with you when you say resign Buehrle and keep Garland, too. I think the Sox wanted to see how Buehrle could rebound from last year, and I think Buehrle wanted to perform in his contract year so he can test the market. However, Buehrle could take the Konerko like route and stay with the Sox. If they could, they should subtract: Contreras, Uribe, Crede, (in the off-season) Dye, Podsednik (not sure what his value is), Erstad (in the off-season) and Anderson. What could you get for Contreras? Beastly, good seeing you back around here. I think you'd have to move Erstad now. If he comes back and plays grinderish he's good enough to help a contender and get you a mid-level prospect. Pods could be the same type of situation...same with Uribe and Iguchi. All the while Contreras should be able to get you a pretty darn good prospect (not likely a top 100 prospect, but a top 5 in a teams system) plus another top 10 prospect or similar to that (imo) while Dye should get you a pretty nice package to boot (definitely should get you close to two top 5 prospects, plus maybe a lower level prospect thats top 20 in a teams system). Conteras is a deal that depends on whether you can get him to waive his no trade clause (but it should be a no brainer if he says yes...same as the Dye deal). I also think Thome is another guy that is a no brainer to trade (because he's out in a year, has injury problems and I completely think its assinine to have your best hitter as a DH when you are an AL team because in the end you are at a disadvantage for interleague play as well as the world series...and yes I know its being nit picky but I feel thats the case). Keep Garland, Keep Buehrle (Buehrle to a 5 year deal...extend Jon's contract...keep Vazquez unless you get overwhelmed with an offer....my reasoning is Vazquez has an affordable deal so no reason to panick and move him now...however if you dealt him, it would be to get more young talent, open up spots to let the young starters battle and give the Sox time to evaluate them this year before the Sox decide whether to go out and add another veteran pitcher to head the 08 rotation with Garland/Buehrle). QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jun 17, 2007 -> 03:37 PM) Is there anything the Sox can do with Sweeney by keeping him down this year that will add another year to his arb clock despite the fact that he was already up once? (Yes, I'm being cheap). And on Anderson, I'd like to see him up, but not yet. He's still getting over some shoulder issues and he hasn't yet found anything resembling a AAA groove with the bat yet. I'd still hate for this organization to give up on him and sell when he's at his dead lowest value, but there's no reason for him to be on the big league team right now. Post trading deadline, I think it might be a decent idea to work that kid back in if the team ever expects to get anything out of him. I don't know how clear I can get, but I would be absolutely stunned to ever see Anderson don a White Sox uniform again. Not saying it couldn't happen, but I highly doubt it will. However, if they really do a turn and burn and Anderson is still in the org after July 31st (I doubt it) than your right he will be up. Sweeney should come up for good and get at bats along with Fields. I also think in time, we should see the new guy Richars up (once Guchi is moved).

QUOTE(danman31 @ Jun 17, 2007 -> 12:37 PM) And were completely classless in doing. Dominguez showboated the whole way around after a big HR and the manager argues with the ump 5+ times per game. Well, try throwing strikes to a guy when if you miss inside you hit him. Its alright....just a bit heated after that Mizzu loss. Don't worry, my Titans are now backed into a wall.

I just wanted to say Happy Fathers Day!!!!!. And to my own...I say thanks

Owens is trade bait...Sweeney should be up and getting consistent at bats with Josh Fields. My guess is we will see that happen, but not until the Sox make a trade or two (which will hopefully be before July 1st).

Fantastic attitude...I like it.

QUOTE(retro1983hat @ Jun 15, 2007 -> 02:40 PM) Did WSCR not give money to Soxtalk when it came calling? Jeez, whenever Mike North is involved, this board always takes the other side. Like with the Ozzie situation as well. I love the Sox, but every day its another situation where the players, staff, management act like immature jerks. Grow up and play baseball better. All these ills will be relieved. I can't stand Mike North. But he didn't deserve to be defended here.

Awesome story and welcome aboard.

DIdn't he or isn't he getting moved back to the rotation. I thought the move was temporary and they were working on a couple things than moving him back to the rotation.

What a f***ing dumb play by Uribe. Things have gotten so bad that the Pirates announcers are laughing at how stupidly the Sox play baseball (saying how the offense may not be the only reason they are so bad....that it also has to do with the consistent bone headed plays on the basepaths and in the field). Worse part about the play Uribe made was that that pitcher was coming up next so we would have had 2 outs and the runner still there. Instead the pitcher got the bunt down, runners on 2nd and 3rd and the top of the order is up. The top half of that inning was fun though...one of the funnest I've seen all year from the Sox.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jun 17, 2007 -> 09:23 AM) I still think they were scouting Figgins. I would have no problem with getting him while his value is down. The guy has been raking after having a slow start coming back from injury. He's still a good age and has plenty of solid years ahead of him. He also gives Ozzie what he needs and should be a valuable player not only this year but for future years. Yeah...I'd be all for it.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jun 17, 2007 -> 08:40 AM) Adam Dunn is a right fielder in the same sense that Paul Konerko is a right fielder. Yeah he has a little bit of speed but he's insanely brutal no matter where you put him in the field, he's a DH and he's going to be making $12M+ over the next 4-5 years something the Sox really can't afford since it wouldn't fill a need. I agree with you. I think the only way you can consider this move is if you've already talked and have convinced Thome that closer to the deadline you will work on moving him to a contending team. Dunn is absolutely terrible in the outfield (and that includes LF where he played a lot as well). But you'd also have to be convinced the you could sign Dunn to a fair deal and he really isn't a 12 mill a year player (unfortunately thats what it would probably cost).