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QUOTE(RockRaines @ Aug 24, 2006 -> 08:50 AM) Thome has ONE more HR than Dye. And Dye has almost 20 more hits less k's more RBI's and the 2nd best OBP on the team. Oh and vs LHP his OBP is .438 and he hits .352 against them. The only reason Dye hits into a lot of DP's is that he's not a fly ball hitter, he's a line drive/ground ball hitter who can absolutely smoke the ball and tons of his DP's have been hot shots right at the middle infielders or 3rd baseman. They were hard hit balls to the wrong person and its easy to turn two on that. The guy is by far the best player on our team this year.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Aug 24, 2006 -> 05:42 AM) Well I had the Roasted Chicken Sub at Subway. I usually get it at work once a week, because it's better than any other sandwich place that's nearby. I would love to go back to the Paradise Bakery (or Cafe) in Glendale though, and get a Turkey Sandwich, and a Chocolate Chip Cookie, that was just heavenly. I went with the Roasted Chicken as well yesterday.

I had no idea you guys even had a storm coming, but that sounds like one nasty storm that hit you all. Glad everything is alright.

I can't say whether this team will make the playoffs, but I'm definately "Out" on whether they will go anywhere. My opinion could change, but they have shown me absolutely NOTHING thus far this season to make me think otherwise. They are a talented team that is playing below expectations because of a serious lack of pitching and execution. I don't see anything that could make thing change, with the exception of Javier Vazquez finding a rhythm and Contreras getting back to 100%.

QUOTE(LosMediasBlancas @ Aug 23, 2006 -> 01:49 PM) No chance, the Chicago White Sox are the only team that has ever and will ever matter. Besides, I can't follow the Angels cuz they're an AL team, can't follow the Dodogers cuz, well it's L.A., SF is too far away. My only choice is to start following tthe Padres more closely. Thx again for the wishes everyone. Your getting there at the right time, just as the heats go away. Palm Desert is a very pretty area. Lots of retiree's there, but also tons of restaurants and a lot of beautiful houses and all that sort of good stuff. Oh and I hope you like golf cause there are some fine golf courses out there.

Happy Bday Justin. A badass poster deserves a badass bday

This was as expected. I think I remember reporting in the draft article that he had already announced that he would not be signing with the Sox.

I'm puzzled by some of those names.

Hope all goes smooth Los. Which part of Cali you moving to?

QUOTE(G&T @ Aug 22, 2006 -> 05:36 PM) Yeah there's something really odd about Ozzie's use of BMac, and I don't get where the attitude comes from. It stems from something I said a few years back about Ozzie...it was along the lines of Ozzie not knowing talent if it hit him in the face. He just looks at certain things and thats it.

QUOTE(Benchwarmerjim @ Aug 22, 2006 -> 05:08 PM) good news for you guys, Carlos Silva is gettting rocked by the Orioles 4-1 O's bottom of 4 make it 5-1 now Nick Markakis is 3-3 with 3 HR. wow. Markakis had a really slow start to the season, but he's kicked some serious butt since than.

Stinks...hard nosed player who I gave a standing ovation for this weekend when I was at a Phils game. There stadium is pretty nice too.

QUOTE(fathom @ Aug 22, 2006 -> 05:33 PM) KW and Ozzie have a lot of pride in our main 5 starting pitchers, and they weren't going to trade them just to get rid of them. I know we joke about this, but Ozzie doesn't think nearly as highly about Cy McCarthy as a lot of people do on this site. Not at all. Kenny loves Brandon and well Ozzie doesn't.

QUOTE(Frankensteiner @ Aug 22, 2006 -> 05:27 PM) We could have dumped one guy and given McCarthy a shot. There's no way McCarthy is putting up a 4.7 ERA in the 2nd half is he's starting. McCarthy has been mediocre to crappy all season. I like him as much as the next guy, but Ozzie screwed him up and we would have been losing start after start while we waited for him to build up stamina only to hope he developed. Had we been smart, we would have seen this rotation sucking for two months (and this is on Ozzie) went with Tracey as the long guy and moved Bmac down to AAA where he could have been starting late in May or June and getting ready as a precautionary move if the rotation didn't get rolling.

QUOTE(Frankensteiner @ Aug 22, 2006 -> 05:26 PM) See, my problem is why are we waiting these guys out. Freddy and/or Javy should have been off the team mid-season. We're not getting any younger with two of our best players being in their mid 30s (Thome and Count) and our best player this season is having an out of his mind career year (Dye). It's only going to get harder for this same team to win next year, unless KW is already planning a massive overhaul. That should be obvious. You can do that in the off-season, its impossible or nearly impossible to do that at the trade deadline. On a sidenote, sorry about being overly harsh, it wasn't really direct at you, rather I'm so sick of seeing a million posters seemingly thinking we could have done that. Fact of the matter is that wasn't an option. We could have tried to get Lidle and some other veteran (like a Greg Maddux) but I still don't think that makes this rotation acceptable. Plus we'd have been stuck with other starters.

QUOTE(Frankensteiner @ Aug 22, 2006 -> 05:20 PM) Once you something is not working, you can make changes to the team. There is no rule against trading players mid-season. There wasn't a f***ing move out there to make the team better. The quicker you get your head out of your ass the quicker you may realize this. I didn't see one team in baseball bolster there starting rotation at the deadline via a trade (sans the Yanks with the Lidle move and thats hardly the type of acquisition that would have made the Sox better). I'm sorry for being a dick but I'm sick of tom and joe douche bag consistently saying we could have traded these guys at the deadline and got more starters. It would have been nice and I know we argued in the past about hte trade value of some of the guys, but bottom line teams weren't giving up starters and even if they did our team has s*** in the farm systems (and thats coming from someone who talks with members of the org and players in the system) to offer to get top notch pitching.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Aug 22, 2006 -> 05:19 PM) Exactly. I will not even listen to an argument about Williams not putting this team in the best position to win. Coming into this season, we still had the 4 aces that got us a Championship, along with adding Vaz. These guys all have underachieved,and your a liar if you said "I called them all being worse" Even if you said they'd be worse, they would still have been the best rotation in the majors (or at least thats what 99% of baseball expected). The fact that they completely fell on there face, well whats to be said. Garland is the only guy I have faith in...thats it. People can show me his ERA but without him we would be done already. He stopped so many losing streaks. Than there is Count who is just mediocre and the rest of the guys SUCK. Our rotation is bloody awful and has really not had any dominant stretch all season and there is no reason to think or expect them to do it. Could they reveret in a year, sure, guys (even Hall of Famers) have the ocassional down season but its just odd that all of our guys decided to suck at the same time. My guess is Kenny may be patient with Mark because of his history, mixed with the fact that he gives innings, actually holds runners (plays d) and is one of the teams leaders. The same can not be said about Javy and Freddy and I'd be stunned if either of htem were around. Javy will be around if this team wins the world series or goes deep into the playoffs. I say that because the only way we do anything is if Javy turns things around and pitches strong for this team down the stretch and in that case he'll be back.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Aug 22, 2006 -> 05:14 PM) Shame on Williams for trading and signing up a pitching staff that was the core of a World Series Champion, shame on him. There was absolutely no way to predict this. The only thing you could potentially slam/argue is the Vazquez move, thats it.

Buehrle could get dealt, but I doubt it. I think he's pretty tired and an off-season will help him. I also think he's mentally spent. I think both Vaz and Freddy will be gone, unless Vaz makes some serious strides. Hell, I wouldn't even be shocked if we considered moving Jose. I think we could have a very very busy off-season. It will mainly involve, SS/LF and the rotation.

QUOTE(fathom @ Aug 22, 2006 -> 04:41 PM) Just that he's hit about 6 balls in the last 3 weeks to the warning track. We've been discussing this in these threads, and we've talked about whether or not he's tired. Please don't take it as me complaining about that out. It was one of the best swings we've had against Rogers in years. Gotcha, I took it as a complaint and I had no idea how anyone could complain with that swing. Oh, thankfully BA is in CF because that ball was crushed and he gets it (mack doesn't). Any other park and its gone.

QUOTE(fathom @ Aug 22, 2006 -> 04:34 PM) Joe Crede = King of Warning Track Power Point being? He took an outside pitch and hit it far enough to be a HR at most any park.

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Aug 22, 2006 -> 04:30 PM) Seriously. I am SICK of all the umpire complaints. Face the facts, the starting pitching is mediocre (and thats being kind). I'd prefer to say our rotation stinks, especially when you figure Garland is the only worthwhile member of the rotation (Jose has been mediocre at best since his injury, Buehrle has sucked, Garcia has sucked and recently has become a 4th or 5th starter while Javy has sucked). Facts are facts and our rotation is awful. I don't care how much potential it has, its awful in the results category and thats what gets things done in the end.

QUOTE(BearSox @ Aug 22, 2006 -> 03:41 PM) I think Ryan Sweeney has an upside to be a perennial All-Star. He won't K 100x a season (which I love), and has the potential to hit 300+, hit 30 homers (maybe more. His power is finally comming around), and drive in 90+. Plus, he has a canon arm and plays pretty darn good D himself. 30 plus hr's is a stretch. I could see him (if all went well) getting up to 25 but its far more realistic to predict 10-20 HR's, a high average, and above average defense.

QUOTE(BearSox @ Aug 22, 2006 -> 03:34 PM) Giovany Gonzalez > Chris Young... Chris Young is highly overrated, IMO. He has only had decent numbers in the minors, but his "potential" to be a 40-40 guy makes everyone get a boner for him. I see him being a decent OF AT BEST. Couldn't disagree more, but than again I was the original guy on the Chris Young bandwagon a few years ago with FutureSox

Am I reading things right, some of you are actually suggesting having Sweeney as our leadoff or #2 hitter at the start of next season. I hope you guys are planning on having a rebuilding type season cause if your frustrated now you'll be going nuts next year. Sweeney is fine, but if you are going to do that you better have acquired a SS to be our leadoff hitter and made some substantial changes to the rotation. Following that have both Sweeney/Fields up playing LF and platoon them a bit with them also getting ocassional AB's at DH and maybe even RF/CF, etc. Basically just ease both of them into the majors.