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Going on that theory you could easily say the Marlins didn't have the pitching to make it to the series. But Brando I do agree Cameron would be such a sweet pickup to play center. He'd probably be had for an affordable amount...and would definately be better then someone like Cedeno, then just find a way to take some other problem off the Mets and you'd be in good shape, imo. I want a guy that can go get em and your right, moving from Safeco will definately increase his production.

I'm guessing him and his agent, but he's a nut if he thinks he will get that when Vlad won't even get that kind of money. I heard Gammons say that even if Matsui comes to the majors he won't get 7 mill..it will be likely around what the Sox paid Jose.

Does it promise to remove all skid marks ...if so they may have found a market for the people that suck at doing laundry and are single.

I thought that, but then this is picking up an option so that becomes a little more likely of a possibility. Its not like Sox negotiating with someone out of house and then trading them. In this case they are picking him up at a price they feel will be marketable to other teams, without negotiating. I heard Gammons say he'd be incredibly shocked if matsui even got 7 mill, and now he's not even planning on entering which means teams have an option at Tejada or no one, which will definately shoot the value up for someone like Jose who has home run power.

If it were up to me I'd do this. Konerko and Magglio for Johnson/Soriano/Weaver Carlos Lee and Jose Valentin for Odalis Perez and Cesar Itzuris Koch for Cedeno Sox sign Sully and one other guy like hawkins or whomever...and have a pen of Marte/Sully/Hawkins or Gordon or Foulke/Scho/Wright/Wunsch Rotation Buehrle Loaiza Perez Garland Weaver Lineup Alomar Jr or Vina - 2nd Cedeno - LF Soriano - CF Thomas - DH Nick Johnson - 1st (Could also move him to the 2 hole and move Cedeno down) Crede - 3rd Rowand/Reed/FA - rf Itzuris - ss Olivo While offensively it may not be beautiful, it would have some guys who can run at the top of the order and bottom of the order. It would have solid mixture of lefties nad righties as well as young and old. Cedeno, the 2nd baseman and Thomas would be vets and then Ventura could even be your FA type guy that you bring in. IT wouldn't be a juggernaut, but defensively Cedeno isn't really a liability in left and I believe Soriano can be good in center and in right we'd be solid. It would cost about (2+5+2+6+2+1 = 18 mill give or take a bit). Your rotation would cost ya (4+4.5+4+2+6.5 = 21) giving you 39 total before you bullpen which wouldn't be too bad. You'd say Sully/Hawkins or whomever for 6 and then keeping who you had which would be like 4 mill, giving you 10 mill and that puts you at 49 mill. Thats well under the proposed salary of the Sox and I think if the Sox take Weaver they'd get Nick Johnson and then the Yanks could work together a 3 way deal to land them someone like Sexson for Konerko if they are interested). This is just using some teams that are rumored. There are so many ways I think you can do things with the Sox being sucessful. This also leaves the Sox money to take on a contract or two at the deadline, instead of giving up prospects.

From what I've heard, the Angels may not be that high on DaVannon. Anderson and Salmon are kind of stuck and then you have Erstad who is gonna be really tough to move. While Erstad could move to first opening up an outfield slot, their is also talk that Palmerio or a vet like that will wind up at first and also more talk that Spiezo will be back. Moreno seems to want to get a big name outfielder and shortstop and if he moves one of his contracts he has the ability to get both.

If you move Koch for Cedeno, albeit it not my favorite the Sox do improve in the area of speed and when healthy Cedeno is an asset. THe question is how much can you count on him. The nice part is, Reed can fill in for him and so can Rowand but early in the season you can stick him near the top of the order and let him make some things happen. I don't want to deal LEe, but at the same time I'd love getting Perez. I don't think the Dodgers would give up any of their worth while prospects so I'd like to see the Sox work something out to give them Konerko and someone else....MAYBE JOSE. Don't be shocked if Jose gets moved. I get the sneaking suspicion that he's gonna be somewhere else come January 1st. Matsui isn't gonna be on the market or at least not likely and lets just say a shortstop with Jose's power could have a lot of spark and someone like the Dodgers shortstop could fit in nice to Ozzie's style. Not saying he's as good as Jose now, but defensively Itzuris is a wiz and he will become a pretty solid offensive player and he already is against lefties. The fact is you get Perez and a stud shortstop defensively and if your building around pitching your gonna want that, although Jose also had great range. Itsuris is good though, I see him make a lot of great plays when watching the Dodger games on tv. Some type of Konerko/Jose/Prospect for Perez and Itzuris not bad...imo...not sure if Evans does it, make it Lee/Jose for Perez/Itzuris and a prospect and I think it be interesting. Either way I see a few possibilities in LA and of course Maggs is an option there too.

By overhyped Cameron I mean Erstad is an overhyped version of Mike Cameron. by that I mean a guy that is a solid cluth hitter and plays flat out amazing defense. Both have offensive flashes and I'd say Erstad is tougher to pitch to cause Cameron can get himself out easier then Erstad. I'd like Cameron in centerfield...at the right price.

I am going to assume a few things. Thing one is that the Sox deal Koch for Roger Cedeno and that the Sox get money in return and a lesser prospect or bench type guy. I'm also going to assume that the Sox deal Paul Konerko or Carlos Lee for Odalis Perez. I think thats a very realistic scenario cause the Dodgers are going to move him for a bat and a right handed one at that. Lee would be a lot to give up and when you look at his numbers, I wouldn't find it hard pressed that the Sox would get a top top prospect in return or one of the Dodgers quality relievers. With that in mind, it means the Sox would have a need for offense since Konerko or Lee and Thomas are what your looking at as the "heart of the order". With that being said getting Percival would be amazing for the pitching staff and pen. He is one of the few guys I consider an "elite" closer. But if your dealing Magglio, you have to expect more in return then just that. You mention Saunders and I agree with you he's a good prospect to start with, but I also think the Sox could use one major league ready hitter of some sort, doesn't need to be a stud but something along those lines. If they are also gonna make a push at a ss (The Angels) then maybe Eckstein comes this way along with Percy and a prospect. Then the Angels have Eck and Jose up the middle with Willie definately getting playing time. Offensively it will be ugly, but the Sox will now have the money to bring back one of Sully/Gordon and then add one more and then sign another FA pitcher as well as a few FA hitters. The main theory is that a rotation of: Buehrle Elo Perez Garland Pavano..whomever else Can compete and while you lack the ace power at first, I think you could very easily find 3 of those guys to develop into front line pitchers during the season so in the post-season your in solid shape. They all are innings eaters and will definately keep ya in the mix. Then when those guys give their innings, you hand the pen over to Percy, Marte, Sully/Gordon (R-L-R ALL WITH DIFFERENT STYLES) and then Wunsch, Scho, Wright, VEt well thats pretty damn good, imo. I think this scenario would be a heck of a lot better if you know you got Thomas and Lee cause if you can bring in one lefty hitter then you wouldn't be in horrible shape (Everett would fit in fin in the outfield and then you mix in the youngsters for Cedeno/Everett). You now have a lineup of Roger Cedeno - CF/RF David Eckstein - 2nd Frank Thomas - DH Carl Everett - RF/CF Carlos Lee - LF Brad Fullmer/Brian Daubach/Scott Spiezo/Nick Johnson - 1st Joe Crede - 3rd Jose Valentin Miguel Olivo Defensively it scares the hell out of me, at least in the outfield and in the infield your solid and you know what you got behind the plate. But this team would have some pretty darn good pitching and you could definately fiddle things around. I'm not saying its the scenario I would chose, but if the Sox only takers for Maggs are the Angels then I find this scenario a possibility. I Think the big question is gonna be where Maggs goes as opposed to where Konerko or Lee or Koch go. And I will state again if the Sox can get Soriano for Maggs straight up without paying any salary then freaking do it. I don't find it likely though.

My first goal would be to try and get Krod and Percy but i doubt thats gonna happen. So I'd try for Kennedy if the Sox want an upgrade at 2nd or go with Davannon and a pitching prospect. I should add that I still prefer Soriano for Maggs. If the Sox are gonna take on money in the deal (Which is what they'd do in the angels by taking Percy's contract) then they could just as well take Soriano who won't make too much and then give someone like Foulke or Hawkins and someone else closer money. This way u get two studs for one instead of one for one.

Murray is doing damn good right now...I'd think about doing it.

I'd do it. I don't know if everyone would, but If it kept Lee around, then I'd happily oblige, plus I think Thurston could still make it, although he's no sure thing, but neither is Borchard. If Sox deal Borchard, then they shouldn't pick up a dime of Konerko's contract.

Probably because the Sox are asking for something else if they give up Lee or that the Dodgers countered with Lee..that would be my guess. It could also be the Sox are willing to sweeten the pot with cash considerations or another player if they take Konerko, who knows.

I know...my dad was all pissed seeing that Konerko could be a Dodger (His favorite team) and he said there is no way it will happen. And then I said, you got Evans...anything is possible Evans is most likely ousted once the ownership gets settled, but with things in such fluxuation Fox is likely gonna have to just give him control to make a few moves while keeping the team in a solid position to still sell. A Lame Duck ownership won't fly in LA and could have a very negative effect on their attendance. If Lee goes, then I think the Sox must get something else of value in return, but if its Konerko then pay some of his contract, give them Ginter or whatever....cause damn would it be a sweet deal

Maggs/Konerko or Lee/Koch need to be moved first, imo.

Somewhere Konerko or Lee have to appear in there. I'd take on Weaver if it was a must, but I don't see it as a must, imo.

I thought I saw Pavano was a free agent. He's been around so long (From his days with the Expos) that I just can't see how he wouldn't be a flat out free agent. Maybe I'm wrong, but I swear he was a free agent although the Marlins at one point were rumored to be close to a deal with him but I think that fell apart.

I agree...cause Pavano would be a better optoin at a more affordable price. I'd rather just see the Sox save like 12 mill by getting Soriano who will be around for quite a bit longer. And of course if they find a way to get Johnson too, more power to it.

This type of stuff definately cheers me up...just seeing that the Sox are out there making moves. I firmly believe Perez is gonna be a pretty good pitcher in the majors for a long time. If baggs was around, I know he'd be for the trade. We know how much he loved perez and how much he couldn't stand Lee, lol. Still these type of moves give the Sox some type of flexibility and can put the team in position to sign their guys long term and stop havign to play this games and letting the team go out and compete and win the division and hopefully more for a few years. My preferential deal would definately be getting Soriano, but even with Percy I'd be pretty happy depending on what came with it. I see a lot of options for the Sox suceeding next year, now we just have to sit back and watch and see what happens.

I'd like that, but if Ponson asks for too much it may not be worth it. Someone like Pavano who isn't really a hot name could be a great option at like 3.5 mill or so and then throw some option years on. He quietly had a good season and is finally getting healthy and most likely won't be back with the Marlins, who will likely keep AJ Burnett instead. A rotation of Loaiza, Buehrle, Perez, Garland, Pavano would be strong. You'd need Elo to stay an ace, BUehrle to step up and then at least one of the others to do as well, but its deep, will give you innings and everyone should keep you in most games and some will win ya games. Foulke doesn't like the organization, but Keith always was happy last year until he was sent out and well I believe many of his problems were with Manuel, but many will probably say its with KW. I don't know for sure, but he would be sweet to have back.

On a sidenote I heard that the Sox may have some interest in Foulke if they can unload Koch and make a few moves. Don't know if Foulke would have the same interest or if he would even be around long enough. I think it was mentioned by Bruce Levine last night.

I firmly believe that as long as he's healthy Perez is much more similar to the pitcher he was in 2002 then in 2003. Statistics have showed that young pitchers after having their first huge workload regress the next season. Its happened with a lot of the greats and I'd say that Perez would be a very good pick up...especially if they would add Percy and then another starter.

I think if its Lee, the Dodgers would have to give the Sox a little more in return, at least a Joey Thurston and someone else. I'd be very reluctant to give up Carlos. I'd much rather see the Sox pay a few mill of Konerko's contract or give the Dodgers someone like Ginter as well then deal Lee. The problem is, since when has JR ever been willing to pay a large chunk of a guys salary to get someone good in return. They only do that when they are dealing pretty much straight up...ya know the usual CASH considerations.

Do you know what it was 2 years ago?

I'm guessing ESPN.com would have those splits. I do know that two years ago he threw 222 innings and had an ERA of exactly 3.00, which is pretty damn good. He had only 95 innings each of the previous two years in the majors so that increase in my opinion was the reason for this years decrease and I'd expect him to pitch closer to the two year ago Perez then last years.