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QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Dec 3, 2017 -> 02:58 PM) Finished Stranger Things 2 lat night. Meh I enjoyed it. Thought it was pretty good (just finished it a couple days ago).

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 3, 2017 -> 04:49 PM) https://twitter.com/JamesFox917Bob NightengaleVerified account @BNightengale The Chicago #WhiteSox are also out on Ohtani 2 replies 0 retweets 1 like Mariners, Padres, Dodgers, Angels, Giants, Rangers and Cubs only teams remaining as of 12/4. It won't be the Rangers/Cubs. It will be a west coast team and I'm predicting Angels / Mariners.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 4, 2017 -> 09:05 AM) Couple things from here: Alshon Jeffery wasn't staying in Chicago. He didn't want to live or play here anymore. Garoppolo was not available around the draft. Had he been, I think the Bears would have considered trading their 2nd rounder for him but the price at the time was much bigger than that. John Lynch made a couple nice moves but he also traded draft picks to move up in the 3rd round so that he could waste a 3rd rounder on QB CJ Beathard. I'd rather have Trubisky and the tantalizing prospect of having your good QB on a rookie deal then Garoppolo and having to pay him $100 million with over $60 million guaranteed. By the way...I do like Ryan Pace and you won't see me push to fire him. I liked moving up to get your guy at QB. And everything is on paper...we could have waited for Jimmy G and got nothing and been staring at another awful year waiting to draft a QB again. I hope Pace has the ability to find his head coach cause this job will not be a top destination, imo. That said, the Rams / Niners jobs were not desirable last year and they both ended up making fantastic hires. If I were the Bears, I'd slow play and take one of the assistants from a superbowl team. Reality is teams get inpatient so if we want one of the top assistants (say it is Josh McD), then the longer you are willing to wait, the rest of the pool has moved elsewhere and maybe then you can get that guy. Of course, if you don't get that guy (and he decides he doesn't like Trubisky, etc), then you find yourself in a really bad place.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Dec 4, 2017 -> 05:44 AM) Auburn is the one that had the worst luck out of everyone. They can't get in the top 4 with 3 losses, but their two regular season losses were against #1 and #17. Then they beat #3, then beat #4 and were rewarded with a re-match against #3 only 7 days later. Without the conference championship games, they seemed to be a clear top 4 team, but couldn't win again. I think the top 4 system is great. Nobody got shunned this year, OSU, Bama, and USC all had major flaws in their resume, Bama just got the luck of the draw. the 4 team system keeps the regular season exciting, but still makes sure all deserving teams get in. There some potential kick ass matchups on New Years Day. Plus, my college will never be considered for the playoff so I never have to worry about getting the short end of the stick. I agree with you. I used to want 8, but I actually think 4 is really good and it keeps everything really exciting up until the final week of the season.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Dec 3, 2017 -> 09:49 AM) Don’t disagree at all. This argument shouldn’t have just been these two. I think they made the right call. Auburn is good, but you can't overlook the # of losses. I think USC is playing good football right now, but they had some bad losses. I don't think I could pick anyone but Alabama for the 4th spot.

The worst thing about the Bears is the fact that we are have shown zero consistency in front office / coaching. That is a really bad thing and it could really hurt the franchise when it comes to finding / landing its next head coach. I firmly believe consistency in the NFL is huge. We haven't had consistency in front office / coaching staffs and intead have consistently sucked. I am a little worried about whether the better candidates are going to have any interest coming to Chicago. It isn't like Trubisky has set the world on fire and there are going to be a handful of jobs open where the head coach can actually pick his QB (vs. inherit one). This season could become a disaster for the very reason that we have to kick Fox to the curb. I said it before the year...if you were going to get rid of Fox, you should have done it last off-season and not this one. Now you are going to put Trubisky in a new system and give him little continuity. That said, I would have rather had Fox kick butt.

There are so many really bad teams in the league that the win we get against the Browns will be devastating to the pick. By the way, how did the Bucs lose? I didn't watch the game but it seemed like they must have been in scoring position a lot (with no points to show for it).

QUOTE (ptatc @ Dec 4, 2017 -> 08:31 AM) The biggest issue was Glennon. Pace expected this year to be a fair year with Glennon throwing to Meredith and Smith. He wasn't expecting to really play Trubiskey much and was planning on him for 2018. This is his make it or break it off season. I agree with you. This is a huge off-season for Pace...from finding the next head coach / coaching staff to building an offense around Trubiksy (while also continuing to build out the defense). If the arrow isn't pointing up at the end of next year, we are in trouble. Hopefully we get a pick that we can trade down for tons of picks (because one of the QB's is on the board with our pick).

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Dec 4, 2017 -> 04:00 AM) What frustrates me is that the 49ers seemed to have no issue completing passes on 3rd down when needed. It's not like Jimmy G had pinpoint accuracy, they just kept running slants and their receivers were always wide open. And their guys aren't any more talented than the Bears. The middle of the field was wide open, but we also had a bunch of guys playing who hadn't played much together. Jimmy G was pretty good and he threw some balls in awesome places. Then again, I'm a huge Jimmy G fan. Love his pure skillset in this NFL.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 3, 2017 -> 06:13 PM) He was put in 3rd and long all day and managed to go 12/15. Held the ball too long a few times but the playcalling was yet again atrocious. Yeah, we played extremely conservative. I kind of expected us to open it up these final few weeks (so this week, in particular, I was very dissapointed). Then again, Trubisky's footwork was flat awful last week so maybe that was by design (to get him to work on the basics). Trubisky was more accurate but he took a few sacks because he held onto the ball too long (and also took way too many hits running the football for my liking). I was cringing. Our offense has zero personnel though and when they make good plays, there are penalties, etc. Poor Jordan Howard...that said, I see him having a monster year next season.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 3, 2017 -> 01:18 PM) Can you make this up and have it be believable? Bears cut Gould. Sign Barth. Barth is terrible, he is cut, replaced by an injured kicker. Gould comes back to Soldier Field and kicks 5 field goals for the win. The Bears are cursed. Probably a good thing OB and Hampton are preemted today by NU basketball. I am pretty sure at least one of them would leave the studio in an ambulance. Was so happy for Gould, who I legit loved in Chicago. Gould delivered...albeit all of the kicks were easy...I just knew he'd make them. He's been outstanding for the Niners this year.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 3, 2017 -> 11:15 AM) In hindsight, Jimmy G looks like he would have been a better pick than Ego Ferguson. I still think in my ideal scenario, we would have done what the Niners did. On paper, what an oustanding off-season, from getting a head coach I like, to buying a bunch of picks to getting your QB for a 2nd rounder (Jimmy G). No one could have predicted that would happen but job well done by Lynch (on paper). I still have zero problem with what Pace did (in regards to Trubisky) but I still think the smarter move would have been overpaying for Alshon to ensure you have at least one real pass catcher (and it wasn't like we were tight on cap space). Then again, I legit don't think the Bears expected Trubisky to play this year.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 2, 2017 -> 12:44 PM) They have been saying he didn’t want to be in Chicago past his rookie deal since 2014. They have had plenty of time to deal him if that is the case, and it certainly seems to be the case. At this point even a 7th rounder would have been better than the Nothing the bears received Yes, Alshon was horribly mismanaged. So was the Robbie Gould fiasco. I said both all at the time of the deal and couldn't be more right. I was okay if you were going to move away for Gould and invest in the future, but Barth was none of those things and Gould's contract was never going to get in the way of making a signing. The only way dumping Gould made sense was if you went looking for a young kicker or you went out and got a better / as good vet for a similar price. By the way, even though I defend Fox, etc and don't think he's the reason we stink...I'm not going to be upset if the franchise goes another direction with the head coach. There are enough things I see on the field that I don't like, but I think everyone had blinders on when it came to Trubisky and just young QB's in general. He has a huge off-season ahead of him and I think this will be Pace's defining off-season. You need to show how you build / invest around a young QB, from the coaching staff to personell, etc. Look at the Eagles and what they did. They have put a lot of things around Wentz to put him in the best position to succeed (and that includes an excellent defense and strong rushing attack...plus weapons at the wideout).

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 30, 2017 -> 03:20 PM) Conservative doesn’t always mean “throw 20 or less times, run the ball as much as possible”. Fox makes decisions that hamper his offenses ability to score often. Yes, Barkley and Hoyer threw more, for more yards. But yet, they didn’t put the ball in the end zone either. Why? Because when Fox gets in the red zone he tries to run it in, way more often than he should. With Mitch it has been exacerbated by becoming so predictable run run pass that his “leash” actually hurts Mitch by putting him into 3rd and long almost every time. Opposing defenses know what’s coming, you can see it. Yes, the wide receivers are a disaster right now but that doesn’t mean you abandon throwing it completely and forget both play action and rolling out are two of the things that Mitch does well. Defenses are pinning their ears back on third and long and Mitch knows it. I’m not asking for air coryell but give the offense a different look here and then and keep the guy upright. Perfect example is the first two drives against Detroit, which was all scripted. Multiple play actions and roll outs and they scored twice. Then they have to start calling plays and it all goes to s*** The Detroit game is an example where they actually opened things up a bit (and that is what they should do as Mitch gets ready). What they didn't want to have happen is you go to Trubisky and have a Nathan Pearlman 5 pick game where you destroy a kids confidence. While 3rd and long doesn't put him in a great position and is obviously not the intent, the reality is our players have committed egrigous penalties (and we've had just too many negative plays). If you run twice and then pass, you really shouldn't be in a ton of 3rd and "long" type situations because it should be pretty hard to have a "negative" play when you are running the football (especially with a unit like the Bears have). Unfortunately we've gotten too cute and shot ourselves in the foot too often and that has put us in even tigheter predicaments. All that said, I don't like the run run pass playcalling and loved that first half of the Detroit game where we were a bit more innovative (but again, I expect as Trubisky gets experienced, it will actually allow the playcalling to get more innovative). With a limited playbook (and that is what they started with for Mitch), there is only so much you can do.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 30, 2017 -> 03:20 PM) Conservative doesn’t always mean “throw 20 or less times, run the ball as much as possible”. Fox makes decisions that hamper his offenses ability to score often. Yes, Barkley and Hoyer threw more, for more yards. But yet, they didn’t put the ball in the end zone either. Why? Because when Fox gets in the red zone he tries to run it in, way more often than he should. With Mitch it has been exacerbated by becoming so predictable run run pass that his “leash” actually hurts Mitch by putting him into 3rd and long almost every time. Opposing defenses know what’s coming, you can see it. Yes, the wide receivers are a disaster right now but that doesn’t mean you abandon throwing it completely and forget both play action and rolling out are two of the things that Mitch does well. The interesting thing to me is, Trubisky has not been that good out of playaction/rolling out. That is despite having a good rushing unit. The reality is we don't have guys who get open down the field / period and with it, the defenses are compressed and will remain compressed until we can prove otherwise. This unit is just stuck with a lack of talent and an extremely inexperienced/raw QB. The reality is we don't have playmakers who can spread the field (this is the worst receiving / playmaker corps I've ever seen on a football field). I also would say the reason we didn't convert yards to TD's last year goes back to Hoyer/Barkley being the QB's and our playmakers on offense (outside of Howard being weak...not counting Alshon who was suspended for part of last season). Its easy to just blame everything on coaching. Talent matters and the Bears have none of it at the downfield playmaking positions. None. We also have a QB who when you split the field in have, is actually having a harder time making plays (partly because the D only has half the field to cover on a roll-out and we have guys who just flat out are crappy route-runners, untalented hacks, or both).

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 30, 2017 -> 01:28 PM) I will admit i was completely unaware of how painfully conservative he was Were we conservative last year with Barkley / Hoyer? I think it is evident we are conservative because we have a QB and personell who are not capable of being effective in an air-it-out offense. You have to coach to your personell and dropping back 40 times with Truibsky and this WR corps would be an epic disaster. Fox told us Trubiksy wasn't ready and he's actually prevented him from having major disaster of games by keeping the leash shorter and being more guarded. Everyone acts as if thats a negative, but I view that as a plus relative to what I saw Buffalo do earlier this year with Perlman and definitely with what the Browns have done. Not saying the run run pass / complete vanilla was right...but this season is about Trubiksy's and the teams development, not wins/losses. Trubisky wasn't ready (and isn't ready) to run a full offense and they are trying to be careful, while still managing / keeping games close (so they have a chance to win). Is it exciting, no, but it is measured and there is a purpose behind it. Over the past few weeks, we've seen them slowly take the reigns off of Trubisky and in the grand scheme of things, a measured approach makes sense (nothing about Trubisky's track-record screamed that we should have just dropped him back and opened up the offense...he flat out didn't have the experience / wasn't ready to do that). Period. It's not fun or sexy but I'd rather do run, run pass then do what a ton of the fans have been asking for, which in my opinion, would have just created bad habits and put Trubisky in a worse spot. There actually seems to be a strategy behind what we are / aren't letting Trubisky do.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Nov 30, 2017 -> 01:05 PM) This is always where my mind goes. Remember the quotes about a good solid coach. He will turn the franchise around because he did it with the other teams. I don't think there were any detractors. some said they would have preferred an offensive coach but that was the only complaint. he had his issues. Remember that 5 year stint in cleveland? Yuck. Coaches can only deal with the roster they have dealt. At no point have I ever said, man, we should be multiple wins better then we are. Maybe we should have won that Green Bay game, but that is about the only game where I really think we should have won and didn't with Fox. We have won some that we had no business winning though. And when you have as little offensive talent as this team has (at key positions), you are going to have some games that you just flat lose because guys are not ready for primetime. Now if we get pants by the Browns...that is another story. Fox was given zero opportunity to win in this role. None. Anyone who claims otherwise is full of s***, imo.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 30, 2017 -> 12:59 PM) He's either going to awesome or horrible. I just remember how happy so many were when the Bears brought in Fox. Now I watch TV and look on the internet, and the Bears were hoodwinked hiring him. Where were these people 3 years ago? The fact is, Bellicheck could coach this current roster and they aren't winning more than they are losing. I think either Pace needs to go, or needs some help. I agree with your assessment entirely and I think it is hillarious how everyone blames Fox for everything. Trubisky needs to be unleashed...we unleash him and he shows that he is really raw...etc. Making superbowls with 2 different teams isn't easy. Fox may not be the best coach of all time, but he has absolutely proven to be a good head coach. So for people to just assume removing Fox fixes some massive problem is just crazy talk. There was so much rot in this organization from the Trestman / Emery era (magnified by the fact that we really didn't get much talent late in the Lovie / Angelo era) that it just took a long time to truly clense. Pace has done nothing to put Fox in a position to win early, whether it was waiting on the QB or not being willing to overspend in FA. No one could do much with this roster...no one and it is unfortunate everyone just uses Fox as the scapegoat. Fox has actually done a lot of good things; he brought in some excellent coaches (Fangio / Gase) and really turned / enhanced the culture. Sure we've had mistakes and yes we got smoked by the Eagles, but I look at this much less then the Trestman era, where it was driven by guys quitting, etc., and more the fact that with the lack of talent we have, we have very little margin for error (especially offensively where we do not have the personell to even attempt a shootout). Basically Fox has been right on a lot of things this off-season. He stuck with Glennon for a while and kept saying Trubisky wasn't ready. When he turned the corner to Trubisky, he tried to protect him and it was apparent that Mitch needed that protecting (and it is even still apperent as he hasn't lit the world on fire as we have slowly opened things up). We have seen steady development and I think that is a testament to the coaching staff. Guys have gotten better under Fox and he built that defense in Denver. Denver has went straight to hell with Elway and more and more is coming out in Denver that make it sound like Fox was right all along in what he wanted to do (vs. Elway).

QUOTE (Da_Goob @ Nov 30, 2017 -> 11:31 AM) This would be the most devastating pick of my life. I would be so upset. I'll go with Jim Bob. Why? Shaw is a very charismatic, high character, proven head football coach (at college) but he also has extensive experience at the pro level (as an assistant). His overall style fits the Bears legacy well and likely resonates with the McCaskeys (to go along with his character). Hard nosed football, runs a pro offense at stanford, strong defense...overall an offensive mind whose overall style should resonate with the general Bears fan base. Not only does it resonate, I think it fits with the weather we play in and the direction of the type of team we've built. Pound and ground football leveraging a lot of playaction, roll-outs, etc, so not totally boring. Leveraged McCaffrey as a RB who could do a ton in the screen game (so some dynamics to the offense) but someone who is going to flat out lead and drive a physical football team (which plays with discipline). I also think his level-headedness fits in well as the head coach.

Kevin White officially out for the season as Bears designate Demps to be the other player eligible to return from IR.

Saw this quote in an article from Loggains. Makes you wonder how inaccurate Trubisky was (vs. just how bad / sloppy the wideouts were). Should be no shock that McBride is gone. I still think Mitch was inaccurate, but those are the things that are always hard to tell as a fan.

So let's play a game. The Bears next head coach will be: David Shaw (is my pick).

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Nov 30, 2017 -> 10:16 AM) So it sounds like we asked for Devers or Benintendi and the talks are off for the time being. Heyman Would JBJ qualify as a young player on their major league roster?

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Nov 29, 2017 -> 11:45 AM) JBJ has more trade value than Abreu so we're not getting him plus another guy. There are a lot of first basemen on the market too and Abreu isn't going to be super cheap the next two years either. I think the best we could hope for is Groome/Chavis and given that I'd rather just keep him. I agree with you. I don't think we are going to get an offer that makes sense for the White Sox.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 29, 2017 -> 09:13 AM) JBJ is a guy controlled for an extra season who also could be extended, and since he is younger, maybe a better candidate for that. Premium GG quality defender up the middle. If you could get a good prospect or 2 with him, I have liked Abreu as much as anyone, but I'd make that deal in a heartbeat. Jose could come back in 2 years and DH. I agree with you. Premium position, spot where we don't necessarily have a top prospect who can slide in, and a guy you are more okay extending a couple years down the road given his age. We don't know exactly what type of player he can be...he could be as valuable (from a WAR perspective) as Abreu and it is easier to find a 1B then it is a CF.