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Exactly - I see no scenario where keeping Waldron makes any sense. If you guys are saying they aren't getting rid of them than lets just continue to expect the worst.

Are you serious - they aren't making any changes. That makes ZERO sense.

In fairness - last week was as banged up as an oline can get...but the Bears have some guys who have consistently been banged up which is on them. Now on paper it still isn't a great oline and some of the scheme / talent eval seems to be missing. Not sure which. I expect the oline will improve with their 2 starting tackles back and with Bates getting more footing. If you get your tackles back with Bates and Jenkins and Shelton in the middle - I'm not saying it is great, but that is a big step up from what played most of yesterday. But I think you do it with a new OC who potentially makes tweaks - and at this point - I think simpler has to be the trend of direction cause there is only so much you can change in an offense during the course of a season, which is what makes it hard. However - how they haven't isolated Moore and Kmet and others on key plays and split the field to simplify things for the QB just isn't good. They obviously don't have a go-to way to run the ball, but it seems like we need a hard reset. I don't expect a lot that can be done - but they have to do stuff different.

There is no way that is true. That is a rumor I won't believe. I can understand why you don't move on from him now, because you don't have an OC or someone else to turn this thing over to to be the HC. But even than - at this point it feels so bad (now maybe the defensive room is still pretty locked in - so you think you can get a big lift by just getting rid of Waldron and turning it over to Brown so it can be his show). I DO NOT believe you can keep Waldron in the building and just get rid of his play calling. At this point - a real change has to happen.

Yeah - its terrible.

I would be thrilled if they finished 4-4. Right now I don’t know that they win a game. Waldron has to be fired and at this point I am worried. I think Caleb will be fine but this is more than just coaching.

If I’m Warren’s I’m cleaning house.

Lux for Robert is non sensical but I could very well see Dodgers interested in Robert’s. I think it comes down to what sort of value could Sox get - if it isn’t there I’m not trading him….lets see what a new manager can do for him and just a reset after a tough season.

I think he is traded by the winter meetings.

You are spot on everywhere in this thread and a strong Philly offer is one I could be very excited about.

Agree - what he did was incredible. Hadn’t played in ten plus years and dropped into AA with some success. He would have figured it out…not saying he would have been great given the late start but he would have made the majors and stuck around had he stayed. And I imagine if he went full time MLB and never played basketball, he probably would have been pretty good. He was just one of those gifted people at sports and his work ethic and will to win was off the charts. Dude wasn’t going to let himself fail.

Half the season is left and we have a rookie QB who has gone through ups and downs, unsurprisingly. This feels like the time where you hit pause - really self scout and course correct and start dialing in and optimizing offense for what works. Get more playmakers involved, dial in the plays that are working, shrink the playbook, find some more "easy" throws to get your QB in rhythm, make sure you have some scheme plays for Kmet and Moore early - quick slants, etc that get the team rolling. Also - the above is really interesting - it does feel like with Allen he is really slow - but has that old man game - so let him leverage his body and footwork in a more crisp role to get him those "easier" throws and completions as well. Get Caleb to focus on that too - but you also have to have some targeted shots. But this feels like a - we got to really tighten the playbook and work with players and offense to really dial this in. The issue is clearly their is a huge lack of trust on offensive side of the ball - I think defensive side of the house is in very good order, despite some down's the past 2 weeks (last week they were pretty beat up). But things can go real bad if the offense doesn't start to take meaningful steps forward. If they lose, I think we see Waldron fired - not sure Thomas Brown can immediately change things - but I won't deny play calling matters as does details. Too big of a playbook can drive you to be sloppier on the details. Too much too soon can do the same. Too simple has issues as well.

No walks, but I hear he really likes bunting it into the air….its like hot ice…it’s the best of both worlds In all seriousness, seems like another solid and reasonable move…which is good.

Yes standing pat was right. I would have traded Keenan cause I think there are too many egos and too much pressure on Caleb right now to spread the love. It was a good idea on paper but hindsight having Keenan and Moore wasn’t a great idea…Rome was fine although I always said I was fine going down and taking an olinen and than another wideout later cause I thought this wideout class was stocked.

I think him spending most time in d league makes total sense….my auto correct removes d from league. He needs those reps - we completely agree and I’m sure he will bounce around a lot between two teams.

Biggs said everything today without saying anything - it’s clear the offensive players don’t respect Waldron or think highly of him. It is funny. Flus could have hired Kingsbury but just like Pooes didn’t go after Harbaugh cause he was scared of Jim…I think flus was scared Kliff and his charisma would cost Flus his job….

Actually the worse part of game was final minute when they clearly lost and Williams took 2 awful shots and was shake. Up. What a dumbass Flus was for having him out there. End of last 3 halves have all been highlighted by s%*#. Hail Mary…52 yard td run as time is running out (this was worse than a Hail Mary)…and than almost getting your qb killed on the final play of the game when you are down 20. WTF

He is really raw - getting more time in league is needed.

Bears players better have a leader or two who step up and clean this s%*# up…it won’t be Flus so I hope they have some leaders who step up when faced with this nonsense (vs wilt in adversity). But coming off the bye - Kmet has 2 targets…wtf is Waldron and the offensive staff doing. Did they watch the film of Waldrons first 2 games where he ignored Kmet and Bears struggled and go yeah let’s do more of that. Idiots.

Bears can’t get out of their own way. I think Caleb will overcome the Bears s%*#…but keeping Eberflus was stupid when they could have made a run at Harbaugh. Will be a new head coach but whatever..this basically sealed Flus fate but players still got to play and they better find a way to get 7-8 wins either way…but good thing is no chance Flus saves his job. Bears should have their pick of coaches though.

I meant games where they had 97% odds at one point and ended up winning...not the other way around.

His whole resume is solid. Maybe he stinks but he has worked in a lot of roles, put in his dues, and worked with some of the better managers in game and across multiple quality organizations.

Pumped up - perfect to league Nevin as smart pr so we expected worse and than they did good!

Bulls are a unique experience - Billy Donovan is designing an offense that is going to set all kinds of records for 3s jacked up. Zero defense but they can score on most nights…

I think that is 100% true. I think if they weren't on the wrong cycle and instead were hiring everyone from scratch Harbaugh would have been here with a new GM. But I wish Poles would have been like - this is a chance to form a partnership that can last 5-10 years and than we are on a glidepath for him to take the next successor and really have a long term path. More than anything though - I hope Flus shows us that his steady hand actually works (cause I do think he's pretty calm in the face of chaos - which there is value to over the course of a season and multiple years) cause I don't want to recycle it.