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I would be fine with Rizzo but why would he want to come here. Do Nats want to change course? Cause if Nats want him why would he come to Sox?

Shitty news.

Yeah - I will do it. You all will hate me but I’ll just ban everyone on soxtalk who rips my moves haha

Maybe Jerry has learned something - don’t get fans excited, instead manage down expectations with tweets and leaks like this, so when you actually make a legit move everyone will be pumped up vs disappointed.

This - if he thought one of them was ready - I think Jerry would have only punted HAhn, not both.

This is where I am - I am presuming they have to leak this because you need to ensure there is some calm post changes and these people do need to run the day to day until the new sheriff shows up and starts to make changes. So I’m not going to worry about any of these so and so is safe. With that said - this is White Sox so I have about 5 percent hesitation that they do go to Getz. With that said - if it was Getz I think they would have kept Kenny and punted HAhn and than announced some transition plan for Kenny. I expect outside hire - whether they are good, heck if I know, but shock me Jerry and write a blank check to Epstein.

While this is way too late - I still think of this as a good thing. Kind of like the stuff that came out with the Bulls right before they changed the whole front office setup etc. Not saying the Bulls hires have worked out - but this has a similar feel of what happened prior to major changes.

They need to cut Walker and find a better backup. Walker is trash. This other kid ain’t bad and Peterman is manageable, but man walker looks awful consistently. Practice reports bad - game action it’s everywhere.

It’s back to - a 10 year track record of stink. No one can justify anything other than a complete changing of the guard.

Hahaja

That makes a bit is sense.

Oh and I should caveat - I have no reason to not believe Middleton. Guarantee someone fell asleep in the pen.

It’s going to end poorly for hahn. No way he survives this season - not even JR will tolerate this.

It’s unfortunate.

I remember as well. Pedro had a different tone going back about 6 weeks ago - I call it the, if I am going to go down, I’m going down my way tone. Honestly - if the above is what HAhn said - I really can’t argue the way he responded to those questions. As Tex said - If he were a first year GM I would have gave him kudos for how he handled it. Problem is he has been here like 10 years and the club sucks.

The bigger question is - why is Grandal here. Pitchers don't like him, he wants to just up and go. All of that is wrong message. Maybe TA has lost it because everyone else doesn't care and now he doesn't know what else to do but go crazy. Note: I'm going to ignore his off the field stuff - cause too much of any teams lockeroom has most of the same issues TA has on that front.

Is this for real?

I think you just have to realize - Eloy needs good leaders around him, but he's fine on a winning team. But him and Yoan can't be the leaders, etc. Yoan I think is a bigger issue than Eloy - in the sense that he's got a way larger contract, etc. But I'm fine - if they want to totally clean house on those 2 - totally fine. But they can't possibly rebuild with this same squad - they have to make changes to those having these issues. And I'm not going to pretend as if Gio or others were perfect - none of us know and every single player on the roster is part of the problem for not making enough of a difference. Gio/Lynn - they had enough credibility that if they wanted to set a tone for the pitching staff - they absolutely could. Position wise - I think any of Robert, Moncada, Eloy, Timmy have that ability too - the question is can they or will they. That seems to be a pretty resounding No. And I have no idea what role Abreu played in enabling it or not too (cause clearly for a number of years - Abreu was the #1 guy who had the credibility to drive change and leadership from a positional perspective. Grandal would have also had that ability (at least his 1st year in the org).

Those quotes make so much sense though - when you ignore things like PFP, its the same as other defensive things - why would you expect them to get better. Why would you expect them to have quality at bats and the worse part is - young players see how veteran(s) act and what they do and don't do and they think that is what they should do. It is horrific and cancerous.

Getting rid of Ricky was a big issue. Ricky had the respect of every player in that lockeroom. Was he the perfect tacttian, no, but he was a good clubhouse leader.

Reading between the lines - I think Pedro recognized he failed with some of his recent quotes - almost implied like I let this continue to foster and wasn't doing things my way. This really is a stench that rots deep and its on all of them - but to change a culture, it takes a major movement - one person alone can't do it - goes back to - you have to gut the front office on down and really change the expectation(s) and establish the right tone and deliver a consistent modus of operation around accountability and expectation and when you don't see it - cut guys, send them to the minors, trade them. Even if you lose a few of those trades - they are at the point that they NEED to do this cause the rot is so deep. I also will notate - I have never once said I think this organization needs Ozzie back. However, if there is one thing I think Ozzie is good at - its that he's going to do what he thinks is right regardless (we may not agree with it and there will be plenty of analytical things he'll do that we won't like - meaning he'll ignore them - see Timo hitting in 3 hole) - but I do think he's set an expectation and have no fear benching guys, etc if they don't meet it and really be tough from that standpoint. I could be wrong - but I felt like that was one thing Ozzie did a pretty good job at. Scioscia is actually another guy who might be a good culture changer. Again - analytics not great, but the guy knows how to manage a dugout and he absolutely knows the game of baseball.

I would be open to this - if we are making deals with a team in a 40 man roster crunch who have strong org's. Maybe you get something of better value just given the fact that another team is forced to move someone. As long as whomever they are getting a flyer on has upside than I don't necessarily hate the move (worse thing would be literally not spending funds at all).

Kenny could always close.

Im not going to lie - I would gladly acquire him for 2B.

Can’t argue it