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QUOTE (wilmot825 @ Jul 30, 2009 -> 09:48 PM) Kidney Stones......so thats y hes been pitching like s*** It was a recent issue, unrelated to his pitching struggles.

QUOTE (spiderman @ Jul 30, 2009 -> 06:31 PM) A .500 team should trade away it's farm system because it needs a spark? Ridiculous, and stupid, logic. Name one team with a better front four than Halladay, Buehrle, Danks, Floyd. I don't care what the Sox record is, if you make the post-season you can contend for a title. I take it you want the club to sell or don't think the Sox have what it takes? Up until this mini skid the Sox have played pretty darn solid baseball the past 5-6 weeks.

Lilli didn't get called up right?

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Jul 30, 2009 -> 04:58 PM) Fields' ultimate potential is a lot higher then that of Felix Pie. Although they are radically different players. When both were at there prime prospect status Pie was widely considered the better prospect.

He has been called and they are going to have him ready in case, but no roster moves have been made. I wonder who the Sox would move? They really don't have anyone, position wise, that they could send down right now, unless they want to expose Wise (and we have to think that they don't).

Goldstein was twittering that Jackson was in it. Not the Cubs 1st round pick from this year.

QUOTE (santo=dorf @ Jul 30, 2009 -> 02:23 PM) Apparently that word is in his dictionary but not "their." Did the Jays already said they won't grant a window for discussion of an extension? Besides, the trade deadline is less than 24 hours away so what good would a 72 hour negotiation be? No team has asked for one yet and the Jays have made no comments on it.

QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jul 30, 2009 -> 02:19 PM) Of course. I'll be back in a bit so you can start it if you want, otherwise I will. Ya, lets wait till we get a nice tidbit and than we'll get it up. Worse case if you don't beat me to it, I'll get it up tonight but not until late cause I won't be around after 7 my time until about 10:30 (date night).

QUOTE (BearSox @ Jul 30, 2009 -> 02:18 PM) Vaginitis is a south park reference. Overexaggerated might be the wrong way to describe. It seems to me he just doesn't have a high pain tolerance. Lets make things clear. The only person that can judge someones pain tolerance is themselves. I don't recall Alexei missing a ton of games due to injuries in his short career so I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt and your comments were absolutely ridiculous.

QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jul 30, 2009 -> 02:17 PM) Gage, what do you think about a thread on SoxNet that we continuously update through tonight and tomorrow regarding Sox rumors? I think that is a great idea. But if stuff gets bigger it might need to get split into it's own story, so to speak.

QUOTE (Pumpkin Escobar @ Jul 30, 2009 -> 02:13 PM) Hmm interesting point you bring up. If he exercises that clause and demands his trade or he becomes a FA immediately like Javy did with Zona. Do we still have the option of offering Arbitration and getting compensation picks or no? ANyone have that answer? Had the Dbacks not requested his trade than he would have became a free agent. But Halladay wouldn't just be able to become a FA at seasons end.

Gorgo is a Sox fan. I remember reading something about it when he faced us a year or two ago in interleague play.

QUOTE (Pumpkin Escobar @ Jul 30, 2009 -> 01:59 PM) extension window before trade? He also has the Javy V clause where he can demand a trade right away or become a FA in March. Clearly you'd have to make sure that he's open to coming to Chicago but Halladay doesn't strike me as a complainer and even if you did have to trade him you would be able to get a lot of value for him or should. And if he walks a year from now, you will expect to get 2 picks as compensation.

QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Jul 30, 2009 -> 01:56 PM) The one thing I'm not too fond of with the Halladay situation is you only have him for a season and a half. He is going to test the free agent market after 2010. Thats why I really liked the Peavy deal at the time, and the same with Dan Haren. The window for this team isn't just next year, it should be for the next few. I agree, but older pitchers might be more willing to sign 3 year extensions in the off-season, which ultimately would give you 4 more years and in this current climate it might make a lot of sense to use Contreras money on Roy or at least see what you can do. I'm not saying you make the offer now, but say you make the playoffs and than go on a post-season run I think you could make a very good pitch to keep him here. He stayed in Toronto a long time and I think being part of a team that contends every year would be quite fun for him.

QUOTE (son of a rude @ Jul 30, 2009 -> 01:59 PM) He is already 28 though. I don't think he will get much better than he is now. I find Aaron Poreda somewhat expendable too, considering Dan Hudson and Dexter Carter are looking like studs. The only person I am hesitant on giving up is Clayton. He has good stuff and has pitched pretty well the past couple games, but we would be getting Doc frickin Halladay. I would be all for this trade. I think Clayton and Alexei are really what make this a special deal. They are young, inexpensive players that are playing pretty key roles on a central contending team and both have upside. They clearly are the top two pieces with Poreda being a very good 3rd piece and the 4th pieces being solid throw-in's that have some upside.

QUOTE (docsox24 @ Jul 30, 2009 -> 01:57 PM) I think that would be a fair trade but I don't do it. It opens up too many holes. We don't know if Becks can play short. We have no 3b if hes moved. I don't think having Nix and Getz full time in the lineup helps. Our offense is struggling and Carlos may not be long for the lineup. As much as I really want Roy, I don't think its smart to trade Alexi. If the Sox didn't run OC out of town we could have probably picked him up for pretty cheap from Oakland. But I think I take my chances because Roy doesn't just help the Sox this season but next, when more salary falls of the books. Plus this trade still leaves you with Viciedo, Flowers, Danks, Hudson, Carter, Mitchell which is still a very legitimate top 6.

Obviously there is the potential to make it a greater deal involving Rolen but to me the key ingredient is Halladay and if your serious you work a deal out for him and than maybe do a give or take on anything else. I also believe this is a good starting point and should be the type of offer that gets the two teams talking relatively exclusively. It is a great package when you consider the readiness of the players involved and the potential upside. Maybe a Dex Carter or Hudson ultimately replaces Shelby/Fields. Or maybe the Jays prefer just one of Poreda/Richard and would want a Tyler Flowers instead. Either way its the type of deal that says hey JP, I'm f***ing serious, now lets work the small things out and make Roy a White Sox.

Still no word on what they are getting back. Gorgo is going too.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 30, 2009 -> 01:48 PM) I don't think anyone is trading for Alexei until we know more about his injury. He's still a huge chip. A team wouldn't not trade for him if it is a sprained ankle. Everything coming out of the Sox camp is that he's day to day.

This might end the Fields/Pie speculation cause Bell is a corner infielder. Orioles could still plug Fields into 1st though, depending on what they think of him or might just feel that from a pure value standpoint the deal makes sense (since Pie isn't going to get starters AB's behind Adam Jones).

What do you guys think. Do the Jays bite? Would you do it?

Kenny: Now is the Time to Acquire Roy Halladay By Jason Gage SoxNet The trade deadline ~24 hours away and the Sox have now lost 5 of 6 since Buehrle's perfect game and now find themselves 3 games back and in need of a spark. Could Roy Halladay be that spark?Full Article

Keith Law was on today and said he'd be surprised if he got traded and in his opinion anyone that traded him should be doing it because he puts you in the playoffs, not because he gives you a better shot at the World Series (ie, don't do what the Angels did for Tex because Tex was acquired solely to help them in the post-season). Basically put, Law's stance is that the only way it makes sense to give up a ton is if it puts your team into the playoffs because at that point everything is a crap-shoot. So if you agree with him, than Halladay would make a lot of sense for the White Sox because his addition might be the difference maker. I reiterate that the price is still too steap. If we can build the package around Alexei Ramirez, Clayton Richard and Aaron Poreda than I'd dance though and I really do think that is a really fair package or at least starting point (Jays aren't looking for fair though).

I heard Keith law on the radio today and he figured the Dodgers would get him and said it would have to be Bell plus one. Sure enough he was right. Solid move for the Dodgers as they really needed help in there pen.

QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Jul 30, 2009 -> 10:55 AM) Unfortunately, I tend to agree with this. His numbers remind me too much of the BA's and Sweeney's of the world. That isn't a bad thing, the question is what there swings are like. Plenty of guys have put up BA and Sweeney's minor league numbers and went on to great success. In fact, both Sweeney and Anderson were at one time guys that could have been the centerpiece of a big trade. So if Danks gets to the point where he has that sort of value I say heck yes. Still, he needs a full year in Bham but I've always heard that the Sox are really high on him and that Buddy Bell believes he's near ML ready.