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I will say this. The CEO of Fiat is brilliant. He gets the most lucrative parts of GM and Chrysler at no cost (if you believe the rumours floating around that GM is going to sell off China and Latin America portfolios to Fiat as well) - and actually gets funded by OUR government to take these assets over. This man will come out of this smelling like a rose.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ May 18, 2009 -> 07:26 AM) I believe the word you're looking for is "secular". The Supreme Court hasn't ruled that the 1st means "establishing an official religion" ever. It's always taken a much broader (and more accurate, if you read the revisions of the 1st and the writings of Jefferson, Franklin, etc.) interpretation. Also, fwiw, "In God We Trust" was tacked on to money in the late 1800's. "In God We Trust" was actually put on the money in the 1950's during the Red Scare years. And I beg to differ re: "establishing an official religion" part of the Constitution. Every one of you are confusing the "stupidity" of doing this in briefings and whether or not it is constitutional. I have never once said I thought it was "ok" but only from a LEGAL standpoint.

And on my last poo stop of the night... "Dancing Poo" - aka Michael Steele. (Bring it... Dancing Queen, you know it...)

Here's yet some more poo. Yes, it's relevant to the thread. It really is.

Another bout of random poo.

Random poo.

danman, it would depend on how these girls got sick and the consequences and after behavior of sickness. It doesn't sound like sickness with benefits, so pukedness isn't so funny afterall. I think I like Ambien pretty well... feel like you're drunk, without the hangover in the morning. niteknnnnneknight.

QUOTE (Heads22 @ May 17, 2009 -> 10:40 PM) If it's printed on an official government document, how is it not? Do you spend money? That's an official government document. Of course, all the athiests think "In God We Trust" should be removed, but I digress. This is not the establishment of any religion (church), this is merely a quotation from a book, if you so choose to view the Bible as such. The first amendment is dealing with the establishment of a church or religion and the government cannot establish such. As I keep saying, this has nothing to do with that clause. Could it be viewed negatively? Of course. Should it have been done? Many would say no, some would say it doesn't really matter, a very few would say that it's fine. To AHB's point, I don't think it matters all that much, IMO. Why? Because it's not like these people think any different anyway because these came out.

QUOTE (Heads22 @ May 17, 2009 -> 09:16 PM) If using scripture on an official government document doesn't constitute an endorsement of that religion by our government, whether intended or not, I'm not sure what does. Then you better tell Obama to stop talking about God in any capacity, because whether intended or not, it's an "endorsement of that religion by our government". It's completely false to say that this is a "separation of church and state" issue. It might be in poor taste (or might not), but it's not a constitutional issue.

QUOTE (Heads22 @ May 17, 2009 -> 05:10 PM) On an official government document, there should never be a religious quote, piece of scripture, etc. used in that manner. It gives the portrayal that we have a Christian justification for this war, anyways. That's not the point. "Shouldn't" and "separation of church and state" are two completely different things. I have never once said whether or not they should or should not have done what they did.

QUOTE (Chet Lemon @ May 17, 2009 -> 03:54 PM) Instead of retrieving quotes from previous generations, the Secretary of Defense should have made sure there were enough soldiers, ample body armor, post-war strategies, and a legitimate connection between Iraq and the 9/11 hijackers. Can't disagree with this.

I can't even begin to imagine the security this took. Honestly, I wish all presidents could do these types of things, but it isn't realistic, unfortunately.

QUOTE (Reddy @ May 17, 2009 -> 03:14 PM) Well then I'd hope we include quotes from those other religions you're speaking of as well. Oh wait, we didn't - only Christian ones. When talking about affairs of the state then YES! Of COURSE you could quote Plato but not Jesus - separation of Church and State. I hate to use that phrase cuz it's bandied about so much, but it pertains here. You're not going to have people getting offended by Plato quotes. And I don't think you could base a war off Plato quotes. Tex you confuse me sometimes. Usually you're so level headed, but what are you talking about? The individual soldiers should be able to do whatever they want - but to include Christian quotes on each war-related memo gives the idea that this is a religiously-based war which is wholy NOT ok in America. These aren't just quotes used in a speech, they're repeated Christian ideals attached to the official documents having to do with a flippin' WAR. Why do you find that ok? You are FLAT OUT wrong on this point. But no matter what I say regarding this point, no one will believe me anyway. So whatever.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 16, 2009 -> 05:01 AM) You are right and I am wrong. I defer to you. Aaron Rowand is a golden god. I guess I just missed the memo inducting him into the Hall of Fame or even according him a Gold Glove. You have lost all credibility here. I'll just flat out say it. Your incessant rants and narrowmindedness has made it impossible to even have a debate with you. This thread (among others in the last few months) is seriously laughable from the standpoint that you always have to be right, even when you get proved wrong. When someone presents something that is a fact, like you ask for, you piss all over it with 75 paragraphs of bulls*** having nothing to do with what the point was in the first place. I think it's getting to the point that pretty much everyone is going to stop debating with you because you have no interest of learning anything, just being right. Please do carry on by yourself now.

QUOTE (MexSoxFan#1 @ May 15, 2009 -> 11:33 PM) The Lakers will win Game 7 but I'll run naked in downtown Chicago if the Lakers get anywhere near to getting a whiff of the NBA trophy...if they get to the Finals,LeBron and the Cavs will carve them up. I do believe in the "conspiracy" of the Lakers/Cavaliers, more specifically Lebron/Kobe. The execs are jizzing themselves to get that matchup for all the merchandising opportunities.

QUOTE (Texsox @ May 15, 2009 -> 12:52 PM) And I believe it is the government that gave that "right" which was the question. And it will be the government to decide this. Is the government also going to pay for the treatments? This would be a great way to get the government to pay for treatments. Well, pretty soon, the government is going to decide any and all treatments. The board is already set up to start this... This is a really, really slippery slope. I have a really hard time with religions that say you can't treat a sickness, why in the heck did God allow or give us doctors and medicine then? Anyway, "neglect" vs. "government mandated treatment" is a pretty brutal ethical dilemma.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 15, 2009 -> 12:48 PM) If you really want to get down to it, spending 3 months waterboarding 2 guys after you've spent months interrogating them doesn't exactly argue that we were facing the ticking time bomb scenario either. I never said it did.

QUOTE (lostfan @ May 15, 2009 -> 12:45 PM) Totally not the point. You can't seem to get past the "terrorists killing Americans" thing and it's affecting your perspective in places it shouldn't be. And your point isn't relevant either, unless I'm missing it.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ May 15, 2009 -> 12:28 PM) It's always different. Al Qaeda operatives have knowledge of plans to harm America or Iraq/AQ ties, therefore waterboarding is ok. Saberi has knowledge of plans to harm Iran/ conspired to harm Iran (according to Iran), so why isn't waterboarding ok? Comparing Al Qaeda to Saberi is ridiculous - I'm sure she was there to kill thousands of Iranians and even has stated that cause to the entire world! Furthermore, Saberi is indeed a citizen, which is covered under Geneva Conventions, unlike some terrorist organization that is nebulous at best, who has no defined "country" to determine a nation under Geneva Conventions - they are an idealogue, not a "citizen" of any one nation that has rights under the Geneva Convention. But to you all, it's the same. Whatever.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ May 15, 2009 -> 12:31 PM) Yes. Children need to be protected from their parents' absurd beliefs. This is frequently a problem with Jehovah's Witnesses. What gives you (or anyone) the right to determine what's best for the family? (I'm playing devil's advocate here...)

QUOTE (lostfan @ May 15, 2009 -> 11:30 AM) If Roxana Saberi had been waterboarded (tortured, whatever) by the Iranians to have her "admit" to being an American spy, would we have so many right-wing bloggers and windbags talking about how this stuff works? You of all people should know that isn't even in the same paralell universe.

Wordpress is a good way to go, depending on what you want to do. With GoDaddy, the ONLY thing I use them for is a registrar. I wouldn't host or design through them.

And I host. Chris has done several websites for me and he does a really good job. And I second the notion of using godaddy for domain names - not too sure on the hosting side. I threw something together really quick (with Chris' help - I'd recommend making yours somewhat more professional - which he can do) ... http://www.integratedactionconsulting.com

QUOTE (lostfan @ May 14, 2009 -> 03:14 PM) lol, Cheney pwned. He's trying to cherry-pick anyway. And the other side isn't?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 14, 2009 -> 02:09 PM) Am I the only who wonders if Contreras is indeed not feeling any pain right now? He is having a problem with location, which could very well be a product of having a sore achillies and not being able to plant and fire consistently because of it. Without a solid finish, his release point could be deviating a lot, which would explain the wildness, especially in the forkball which he has to over throw to make sure it is down, and has been bouncing into the plate very often this year. We know Jose hid pain from Ozzie last year, would he be above doing it again this year in an effort to get back to play before his contract is up? You beat me to it. I wonder the same thing. He doesn't seem like he was pushing all the way through on his delivery, which means with that arm angle, he's going to be wild because he can't get enough torque on the ball to keep it where he wants it (especially on that forkball).