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Holland, Gonzalez, Frazier, Swarzak and Cabrera won't bring much back in return individually but could bring back something interesting if paired up. Take the Mets and Red Sox for example, both could use a 3B, SP and teams are always looking for a reliever. So send them Frazier, Holland and Swarzak, or just two of them. Seattle is another team that could use a 1B/DH type, SP and RP.

With Swarzak, Gonzalez and Holland, we should be able to get some A, A+ talent. I'd give them Gonzalez/Holland and Swarzak for Justin Dunn, Guereror and a flyer.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Apr 18, 2017 -> 03:40 PM) Meadows was never on the table for Quintana as far as we know. If he was I would imagine a deal could be made http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2704212...-about-for-2017 This article suggests Martes is untouchable to the Astros, but that Musgrove, Tucker, Paulino + could be a possible structure. I personally do not think that gets it done. Paulino has flashed plus stuff, but has had quite a bit of trouble staying healthy Tucker is a good prospect who we could use Musgrove I like, but he as well has had injury issues creep up which have limited his innings The final piece would have to be substantial in order for it to be entertained Paulino is too injury prone. I think he's even injured now. Give me Tucker, Reed, Perez, Whitley

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Mar 30, 2017 -> 10:04 AM) https://wahoosonfirst.com/2017/03/29/clevel...-jose-quintana/ Wow^^^ This article made me laugh pretty hard for obvious reasons his offers suck but the concept of trading with Cleveland is interesting. Zimmer, Mejia + would be very nice. This is why if Q continues to stay healthy and pitch well, we could get a kings ransom for him at the trade deadline. Imagine the desperation for teams with limited windows.

I don't blame Luhnow for balking at the Sox asking price. If he waits until the trade deadline, his trade chips çould be more valuable. His rotation is good enough to get him to the trade deadline and reassess. I also don't blame him for wanting to keep Martes. He and his staff are obviously skilled at talent evaluation.

If I were Huntington I'd send Meadows for Q. It's not just about 7 years of Meadows, it's about competing in the small window you have with McCutchen and Cole. You can always unload Cole, McCutchen and even Q at the 2018 deadline if you are out of it. The Astros have loads of talent. I'd trade with them even if I couldn't get both Martes and Tucker. Give me Perez, Whitley, Laureano, Hernandez, M. Sierra

I think the Rockies could beat any Yankees offer with Rodgers, Pint, Tapia. Which I'd take over Frazier, Rutherford, +

QUOTE (rcpweiner @ Mar 13, 2017 -> 03:46 PM) Just spitballing here: If we're to use Fangraphs' ballparking of Quintana's surplus value ($80 to $90 million), and then compare that to today's "Valuing the 2017 Top Prospects" list, then what seems to make sense would be something along the lines of: Clint Frazier ($38M), Blake Rutherford ($38M), and Justus Sheffield ($14M). Maybe another lottery ticket to boot. Something like that seems right to me. (Meanwhile, my personal favorite move would be to find a way to pry Austin Meadows ($70M) and Glasnow ($22M) from the Pirates, but it'd likely be just those two.) (Also: The other crazy thing is we somehow got $129M back plus Basabe / Diaz for Sale.) I don't think that prospect $ is surplus value, so you have to add more

Robertson will be worth a haul at the trade deadline. Once teams know they are in the race, they'll pay a premium for that extra bullpen arm. I wouldn't rush a trade just to get something done. Severino is nice but not nearly enough to entice me. Miller and Chapman aren't that far ahead of Robertson in value IMO (2015 Robertson). They both brought back top 20 prospects. Severino isn't even a consensus top 10 prospect in the Nationals system.

A couple Pirates prospect reads http://m.milb.com/news/article/20170130214714904/ http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/pitt...MQVlj2CPVBpB.97 Glasnow has pretty sick minor league numbers. Better than Giolito. If he finds control he could be filthy. I really like Brault. Lefty, 90-92 FB, plus change, plus control. Teach him a cutter and you have Buehrle/Danks 2.0

I listened to the Talking Stros podcast just to hear what they had to say about Quintana. They had Jim Callis on to discuss too. Callis said Quintana is underated, then later called him a "solid #3" starter. He sees Martes ceiling as a #2. He wouldn't empty the cubbard for Quintana. They hosts then discussed the Archer proposal (Martes, Tucker, Pauline +2 more prospects). Then he proposed Fisher, Paulino, Moran + 75th pick for Quintana. I tweeted....If Martes, Tucker, Pauline +2 isn't enough for Archer, then that is my starting point for Quintana.

QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Feb 4, 2017 -> 12:12 AM) Wow. Keller's ceiling is much more projectable and much higher than Whitley or Perez at this point. In fact, it's higher than most pitching prospects in the minors right now. Cooper and Manuel from Baseball America were big on Keller in the Pirates podcast. BA ranked Keller higher than Glasnow. They love Keller's control and repertoire. Glasnow will be a stud but only if he gains control.

I won't complain if we get Reed but I don't care about getting him. I'd much rather have one of their pitchers, outfielders, Sierra or Stubbs/Stassi. Napoli and Carter are 1B and still available on 2/3. Tells you what the market thinks of sluggers. Plus, Callis (and data) say Reed can't hit LHP.

If they won't deal Martes, I'd do. Tucker, Perez, Whitley, Stubbs, Sierra

If the Rays turned down Martes, Tucker, Paulino, +2 prospects for Archer, then that would be my starting point for Quintana, except I don't want Paulino. I listened to the TalkingStros podcast with Jim Callis. Callis called Quintana underated one moment, then called him a solid #3 another. And his job is to evaluate players for a living. The host suggested Fisher, Paulino, Moran and the #75 pick. Q would out perform that.

Bob Nightengale @BNightengale 2m The Texas #Rangers suddenly have increased their pursuit for #WhiteSox ace Jose Quintana, but still unknown whether they will pull off deal.

Nate Jones is 31 and has Tommy John surgery. Giles was 26 when he was traded and a clean bill of health. Jones is cost effective but will be 35 in the last year of his contract. If we could get the Giles deal great. That being said, if you sell at the trade deadline, it's possible you get more.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jan 30, 2017 -> 02:52 PM) That is assuming that those specific proposals are out there and fit into the White Sox rebuilding plans We should not be the side of negotiations pushing to get a deal done, the buyer should. He should not be moved unless we are getting premium prospects in return, including at least one "untouchable" From the rumors we have seen the asking price is "three elite prospects", and I highly doubt the Sox move off of that ask as they have no reason to. Getting desperate will only lead to a mediocre return. I do believe we asked Houston for Musgrove/Martes/Tucker and got turned down bv the Astros, and asked for Meadows to headline any deal with the Pirates. We are essentially asking for three top 50 prospects, which is not crazy I doubt any of the offers on the table are laughable. I also don't view the Sox taking the best offer as desperate. We have to weigh our own risks in this process as well. Quintana's return is a huge key to the rebuild. If he get's injured or digresses, then that would be a huge hit to the rebuild process. Martes was picked up from the Marlins as a throw in. So just because the prospects involved aren't on a list yet doesn't mean we are settling.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jan 30, 2017 -> 02:08 PM) Perhaps, but I don't see any way a deal gets done without Torres or Frazier headlining They have other interesting players in their system, but I feel Mateo and Judge are overrated Sheffield's frame leads me to believe he will be a reliever. How many 5'10" starting pitchers are there in the mlb? Less than 5% of all starting pitchers are under 6' tall Kaprelian is coming off injury, Rutherford is at least three full years away from the majors and is not enough to headline a deal I don't see a match right now There are four outcomes as I see it. 1. Sox trade him before SP, get awesome package (A, B, 2 Cs). Similiar to Eaton/Sale deal. A would be Meadows, Albies, Torres, Frazier. 2. Sox trade him before SP, get good package. (3B + 1C) 3. Sox trade him during season, get awesome package (A, B, 2 Cs) 4. Sox trade him during season, get good package (3B + 1C) 5. Q get's injurred 6. Q value goes down. If you look at the probability of each and compare it to the return of each, then I have to think you choose 2 if 1 isn't out there.

Q will go to the Yankees. They have a ton of prospects they can include without Torres or Frazier. That have the the greatest need for a SP between Atl, Pit, and Hou.

Interesting how high Glasnow and Keller are. There was a Q for Glasnow, Keller, Newman rumor floating around twitter. More intriguing based on ZIPS rankings.

QUOTE (striker @ Jan 18, 2017 -> 04:27 PM) If you want to scout the Astros more... https://twitter.com/BaseballAmerica/status/...813247561109504 @BaseballAmerica #Top10Prospects Podcast: @jjcoop36 and @johnmanuelba wrap up the AL by talking @astros ? bba.am/9GUpWl This was a great podcast. 1. Astros have a lot of prospect depth. Manuel and Cooper talked about how the Sox could go after quantity (5-6 prospects) rather than quality (top 2 +). 2. This rebuilding has me scoping out every team's prospects. It's nuts how much depth some of these organizations have. My first thought is how inept the Sox front office is, but the Astros, and some of these other organizations with depth, seem to be exceptions to the norm.

If you want to scout the Astros more... https://twitter.com/BaseballAmerica/status/...813247561109504 @BaseballAmerica #Top10Prospects Podcast: @jjcoop36 and @johnmanuelba wrap up the AL by talking @astros ? bba.am/9GUpWl

QUOTE (raBBit @ Jan 18, 2017 -> 11:38 AM) The uncertainty of performance works both ways. To act as if some new market development changes the fact that more players will be available now as opposed to July is something I can't take on. This. The Quintana trade is a very key piece to our upgrade process and not worth the game of holding onto him. Quintana's value can go down (performance or injury) just as easily as any of the prospects we get in return. I can take that risk with trading Frazier, Abreu or Cabrera, and Robertson, but I wouldn't with Quintana or Jones.

There's not a doubt in my mind Quintana is traded by spring training. I think any of Bautista, Saunders, Trumbo, Wieters signing could get things moving faster (I think the Rockies are in on Wieters and Trumbo but could move to Quintana if they lose out on either). I also bet that any deal on the table now is pretty good, but Hahn wants better. Quintana's value won't be any higher than it is now. The free agent market next season is full of good pitchers, which means that a lot of them could become available at the trade deadline as well. The QO penalty has changed, so there will be more demand for the free agent pitchers since there is no risk in losing a first round pick. Quintana will have less control once the season starts and there are the risks of injury and regression that would bring down his value. You can take that risk with Jones, Abreu, Frazier and Robertson, but not with Quintana, whose trade is going to be very crucial to the success of this rebuild. I bet the Pirates, Braves, Astros and Yankees have all offered at least one top 3 prospect plus others. None of them have another direction to take for a SP, so there is no risk that they'll take their offer off the table or those prospects will no longer be available. So Hahn can only benefit by waiting. Just my opinion.