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QUOTE (MAX @ Sep 3, 2011 -> 03:54 PM) This game, if either team starts scoring, could last until midnight. I don't get it?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 3, 2011 -> 12:12 PM) Depends on what we're using him for. Compared to Juan Pierre's bat, he might well be an improvement, and you can't defend Juan by saying "But Milledge has been terrible on defense!" because so has Juan. If you're trying to put him in CF, yeah, that's a defensive mess...but the guy who has played CF for most of the season has been worse in almost every way. Milledge/Lillibridge or De Aza/Viciedo >> Pierre/Rios/Viciedo. Juan's hitting over .280. He's good. He was only bad defensively for one month and he's demonized by Sox fans. I'll never get the Juan hate. Just saving greg the time.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 3, 2011 -> 03:32 PM) 3 games in a row the Sox give up runs in the 1st inning. Why doesn't Cooper have his pitchers ready to pitch? Yes, because giving up an RBI double to Miguel Cabrera in the first inning is so uncommon. I get what you're trying to do here. While I don't agree with you at all, I can respect your consistency. But does Albert Pujols have to come here and suck for you to recognize that Greg Walker might not be the right guy for the job anymore? I've never seen a fan in my life so obsessed with protecting his team's hitting coach.

QUOTE (Flash Tizzle @ Sep 3, 2011 -> 12:10 PM) I'm actually enjoying all this bickering between everyone in the organization. If I could, I would instigate it further. If it wasn't for any of this I wouldn't be paying attention to this heaping pile of filth on the field. I'm just happy as can be that I'm a baseball fan first, White Sox fan second. Otherwise my misery would know no bounds. I'm really looking forward to the playoffs. In particular the NL playoffs.

I've said this many times. Jerry Krause would, IMO, to this day still be GM of the Bulls had he not quit.

alles Gute zum Geburtstag

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 3, 2011 -> 08:30 AM) According to the Sun Times, and not Cowley, although he could be ghost writing, Walker and KW got into it recently about KWs comments about Beckham's swing. KW fired Walker but JR smoothed things over. If true, it really makes you wonder what JR thinks of KW's sudden whims and what kind of power he has left. One thing seems certain, it looks like Greg Walker is in his final few weeks as the White Sox hitting coach. Someone else will have to take the blame next year. Then so be it. He won't be the first, or last, hitting coach to be replaced. He doesn't (nobody does) warrant permanent job security.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Sep 3, 2011 -> 01:35 AM) Okay, let's take a look at that resume. Managerial career winning percentage: .526 Managerial career winning percentage without 2005: .514 Average team salary during tenure: $100 million Winning percentage with $100+ million payrolls: .519 If you take out 2005, Ozzie's is leading teams to an 83 win season. Jerry Manuel did that with a $50 million payroll (regardless of the time frame in which he managed, that is still a huge difference). But even if we include 2005, 85 wins a season given the fact that he's been given fairly talented rosters ($100 million should get you nearly a 90 win team, not an 85 win team), he's still underachieving. So what if you say that it's Kenny's fault for not allocating the funds correctly? Well, Kenny sure did a hell of a job when Manuel was the manager, those teams averaged 86 wins with a $50 million payroll. I'd say that's definitely worth some praise, even more so if you think Jerry Manuel was a horrible manager. Plus, how do we explain players under-performing? What is about this team that makes hitters who were consistent hitting machines (Dunn) before their arrival to the city turn into Drew Butera? Is it Ozzie? Is it Greg Walker? Is it the fans? I'm not certain, but this team has given Swisher, Rios, and Dunn the worst season of their careers by far. Thus, it is actually hard to blame Kenny for acquiring some of these guys (especially Dunn) considering their previous history. Rios and Swisher definitely deserve some criticism since they were very risky, but Rios looked like a great pickup last season and Swisher...well...he and Ozzie sure as hell didn't get along. Which brings me to my next point... Is Ozzie really a good player's manager? People usually mention this as Ozzie's greatest strength, but let's revisit some past history. Remember when Ozzie showed up Sean Tracey for not hitting a batter? First of all, when other players see that, they are less interested in coming to the White Sox. Some players do not like Ozzie Guillen and they will not play for him. It's different for everyone, but if you're supposed to be a good player's manager, you should be welcomed by everyone. An SI poll back in 06 showed that Ozzie was voted 8th best manager and 7th worst manager by the players. So literally, it's a love or hate thing, but once again, if you're a good player's manager, almost everyone should like you, not a 50/50 split. So really, Ozzie's not a great player's manager, he's underachieved more so than Jerry freaking Manuel if you view his time with the Sox in a wider context than 2005, and I won't even go on to explain how bad he is at managing the actual games (which is what most of his duties as a manager consist of). He hasn't won big with a team that has given a talented $100 million roster almost every single year, what makes you think he will win big with a $40 million roster down in Florida? So there you have it, a thought-out argument for why Ozzie can't really win big in Florida given his resume. Now if you want to post a thought-out rebuttal with facts to back up your opinions, that is fine. But until you do, I, along with a lot of other users on this board, won't take your opinion seriously on this matter. Bravo. I like greg. But he's gone off the deep-end with this Ozzie crap of late. Thing is, it wasn't that long ago that he was on the fire Ozzie bandwagon. Maybe that was just for show? Maybe the reality of Ozzie actually one day (next year, hopefully) not being the manager is just too much for him to comprehend? He watches his 2005 DVD over and over and over again and comes to the conclusion that Ozzie and only Ozzie is the only manager or potential manager worthy of leading his favorite team? Only greg really knows.

QUOTE (scenario @ Sep 2, 2011 -> 11:10 PM) Two media whores fight it out on radio. Fans spend all day talking about it. Sounds like the media whores got exactly what they wanted. Bingo. Joe Cowley and Oney Guillen have become front and center around these parts the last two years.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 2, 2011 -> 04:39 PM) Great post. The bottom line is some people can't handle people who don't agree with them. That's fine with me. Ptatc had a good take on Oz IMO. Yes Ozzie is going to win big the rest of his career. Unfortunately it appears it won't be with the Sox. Dave Martinez lovers will find plenty to criticize once we are 30 or so games into the season. LaRussa ... we all know there will be plenty to criticize there. My guess is when you match up Ozzie with whomever replaces him ... Ozzie will have the better resume and the better future. QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Sep 2, 2011 -> 09:03 PM) I doubt it. They seem to have a better farm system and their budget probably rules out having situations like Peavy, Dunn and Rios. They don't win a lot of baseball games so the chances are possible of over achieving than under achieving. Just maybe the Sox aren't really that talented. Two of the people not performing are from the NL. Plus his loyalty to Walker is another downfall. Two playoff appearances in eight years in a division that as far as recent history goes has been weak. Yet he's supposed to go to the NL east, a division that features two powerhouses in the Phillies and Braves, and "win big"?

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Sep 2, 2011 -> 08:24 PM) Wasn't it Floyd and Thome that beat the Twins in that 1 game playoff? I meant over the course of the last three seasons.

QUOTE (Unknown @ Sep 2, 2011 -> 08:18 PM) Yeah, like that play in game with Minnesota a few years back. And that's been basically it. I can't think of a single game in which it was perceived as a "big" game against a quality opponent, post-all-star break, in which Danks shut a team down. I can say the same for Floyd as well.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Sep 1, 2011 -> 11:28 PM) God damn, Axelrod seems pretty legit. I wonder if he gets a fair shot with us, or is traded off since we are like 6 starters deep for next year. You're assuming Buehrle resigns, Peavy's arm isn't amputated, Sale can hang as a starter, Danks isn't traded, and Humber was nothing more than a first-half fluke?

QUOTE (chw42 @ Sep 2, 2011 -> 12:26 AM) I thought Ozzie was supposed to be a good clubhouse manager. Good clubhouse managers don't say things like "oh I hope we don't get swept". No s***, you don't want to get swept. That's such a defeatist attitude. I will agree with you that you can't completely exile them away for eternity. But they shouldn't be getting NEARLY as much run as they do. Especially Dunn. On a good day, a REAL good day, Rios is capable of helping you with the glove, baserunning, etc. Dunn may as well be in a coma. As he offers nothing when he's not hitting. Which he obviously hasn't all year and, more importantly, is not going to this year.

QUOTE (Real @ Sep 1, 2011 -> 11:09 PM) I don't put any blame on the GM for acquisitions that I, as a fan, was happy about, namely all 3 of them, and I know I'm not the only one here who was happy when all 3 of those contracts were signed, especially Dunn and Peavy Go back and pull up the Peavy acquisition thread, and look at the posts in that thread, people were happier than pigs in s***, same with Dunn Not everyone was on board for the Rios claim because of how much money he's owed, but after his "decent" year in 2010, with the defense he played, nobody really b****ed about it in the offseason Only this year, have people wanted KW's head on a stake because all 3 of them have underpeformed At some point, you have to start looking at the coaches and players Not sure about Peavy, as I don't remember much from that thread. But there were quite a few that were not happy with the Dunn signing. More than I had originally remembered. And KW hasn't done much of anything right the last four years. So the ire that has rightfully been bestowed upon him runs much deeper than those three signings. And quite honestly, it doesn't really matter who thought what at what time or whatever. Barring a miracle, we're going to miss the postseason for the 5th time in 6 years since '05. In a division that does not include a powerhouse (and hasn't since the late 90's Indians teams), like NY, Boston or Philly. That's on the entire organization.

QUOTE (TitoMB @ Sep 1, 2011 -> 11:17 PM) This post made me vomit in my mouth. It's absolutely sickening that there are Sox fans out there that enjoy this joke of a manager. Please, this guy is garbage. greg and elrockin (I wonder if they're the same person?) are statistical anomalies. The vast majority of White Sox fans want him gone.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Aug 30, 2011 -> 11:38 PM) It's not because he likes Cowley, it's because he acts like Joe. And for the record, nobody actually believes that he's Cowley. Mike has been the one joking around about it the most but has already stated that he knows that he's not actually that asshole. Whatever. I don't like the way Marty gets treated around here. I challenge the mods to do something about it. Ban me if you will. But I don't like hypocrites.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 30, 2011 -> 11:24 PM) Cowley was a beat writer in 04 for the Sox. Whatever. I mean, the guy likes Joe Cowley. Who cares. Am I Carlos Gonzalez because I depict him as the modern day Babe Ruth? Unless you have something other than speculation, leave the guy alone. He's not bothering anybody.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 30, 2011 -> 10:57 PM) If he is allowed to call KW Holly.wood repeatedly, I should be able to keep referring to him as Cowley. And I think Cowley was on either WSI or this site at one point or another. So it's not out of question. Plus, he's the ONLY guy on this board that treats Cowley like some sort of genius writer. There's no way in hell Joe Cowley registered for this board in 2004. Not possible. I don't know about WSI. That board sucks ass. It just pisses me off that the mods are trying to preach no hyperbole and treat everybody with respect and whatever. Yet whenever Marty posts something, it's automatically dismissed and he's mocked because he's apparently masquerading as Joe Cowley. GMAB.

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Aug 30, 2011 -> 10:49 PM) I did. There's that service time thing. He has to learn how to catch a baseball. He spent more time with Charlotte's hitting instructor meaning less time with Walker. Maybe the Charlotte staff and KW thought he wasn't ready. There's no way to know if they same players would have put out the same performance if brought up earlier. Service time? With this organization? Are you serious? No franchise in baseball ignores the future for the immediate present like this one.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 30, 2011 -> 10:45 PM) Cowley probably paid some dude in a green hat and gray hat to stand by that Churro place for an inning. Was that necessary? Why does everybody pick on Marty? Because he MIGHT be Cowley? So Joe Cowley signed up in 2004? I don't believe that for s***. Until somebody can provide indisputable proof that it's Joe I think y'all need to back off. He doesn't attack or degrade anybody. He offers up his opinions (who gives a s*** if they're not popular) and that's it.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 30, 2011 -> 10:44 PM) 23 games under is suffering if you ask me. Here's a question...when was the last time the Sox beat the Twins in 5 straight games? They turned a corner last month when they swept the Twins in Minnesota. It was probably some kind of leap over a mental barrier - one partially created by Ozzie by constantly giving the Twins praise. Hopefully, this is the case, because I honestly don't think the Twins were more talented than the Sox over the past decade with the exception to last season. Like you said, 23 games under. They've been done. It's not like we've personally ended their season. Believe me, I would love to talk s***. I just cant in this case. That said, just keep winning games. I no longer worry about draft position and such because this organization will either get it wrong or not spend. So may as well try to win this s***ty division.

I can't think of a single solitary poster on this board that said keeping Viciedo in the minors was the correct thing to do. Names or you're hallucinating. Edit: greg and elrockin don't count.

Peace offering for what? What the hell have you done? Express your views and opinions in a constructive manner? Bad boy! You're fine, dude.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 30, 2011 -> 10:27 PM) I honestly don't care. I'm at the point now where I just want to see the Twins lose and suffer, especially at our hands. They're not suffering, though. They've been done. I'll take the wins, of course. I'm just saying we haven't magically 'solved' the Twins. They'll be back next year. When was the last time they've been bad two years in a row? The 90's?