Jordan4life_2007

QUOTE (2nd_city_saint787 @ Feb 15, 2011 -> 09:21 PM) why is everyone saying PKs gonna have a down year? I dont think he'll have as good a season as last year but thats not really saying much seeing as he had an mvp season. I see him putting up a .280/36/97/.360 line Dunn hits 44 bombs and hits the longest HR ever at the cell, sorry borchard(or does thome have that title now) Beckham hits .300+ Pierre leads the league in sb by a wide margin Rios bats 3rd all season long and reaps the benefits of batting in front of Dunn and steals close to 40 Lexi wins another silver slugger CQ regains his TCQ name here on soxtalk, not quite 08 carlos but he hits 35 bombs morel has a solid rookie campaign batting .270ish AJ bats .290+ SAle win ROY saving 30+ games with a sub 3 era Jackson is an all star, danks get snubbed Peavy makes 25 starts wins 13 of those and has a sub 4 era Buehrle has a sub 4 era and wins 15 Floyd puts up the only era above 4, below 4.20 Sox win 96, win the division by 6 games, lose to Roy Halladay in game 7 of the WS Will win 105 games if all this comes to fruition. Oh, and being skeptical about PK is more than fair. Look at his 2007-2009 numbers and it's easy to doubt if he can repeat his '10 at age 35. You just don't see many 35-year old non-DHs sport .900+ OPSs.

QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Feb 15, 2011 -> 03:54 PM) I think SA will fail, but I also think, if Game 7 was in Boston last year, Boston wins. I think they win if Perkins plays. They got molested on the boards that last game.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 15, 2011 -> 05:08 PM) ALthough they added Scott Downs, their bullpen was actually below average last year. Their rotation is certainly above average, but after reading what you said about the White Sox starting staff, I think you might lose your mind if Scott Kazmir was the Sox's 5th starter option. I'm not sure I'd apply the word "excellent" just yet. Weaver, Haren and Santana is as good a 1-2-3 as there is in the AL. Pineiro is a serviceable four. Yeah, Kazmir has fallen off a cliff. Maybe really good rotation? QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Feb 15, 2011 -> 05:11 PM) No bullpen can be considered above average when Fernando Rodney is the closer. Yeah, I rethought that. They need rebound years from Jepsen and Bulger. Downs is consistent and a guy I wished we had signed instead of Crain. Rodney is mediocre but more than serviceable. They also got the Jap from the Mets.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Feb 15, 2011 -> 04:04 PM) God I would hate to lose to that bad Angels team in the ALDS. You think they're bad? Excellent rotation. Above average bullpen. No matter how overpaid Wells is, he's an upgrade. If Morales comes back healthy they've got a pretty good team. Oh, that Peter Bourgos kid looks real nice. Dude can fly and he's already above average defensively. He and Trout might be the two fastest guys in baseball.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Feb 15, 2011 -> 04:06 PM) Why do so many people think Peavy will miss whole months? I think most are skeptical. Like we've all read, there's no precedent for the type of injury Jake suffered. And we all know February is fluff month where everybody is in the best shape of their life, even though they're like 35, and everybody is ready to dominate and overcome past injuries.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 15, 2011 -> 02:13 PM) We'll just give him #45... Lol. Damn, that was a good one.

QUOTE (ScottyDo @ Feb 15, 2011 -> 02:07 PM) Are you suggesting we sign Jarod? I hear he's in the best shape of his life. Actually, he looks like he been eating too many of those philly cheese steak subs.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 15, 2011 -> 01:41 PM) How good were the 5th and 6th starters of the 8 playoff teams last year? Rangers got 1/2 a season from Harden as their 5th starter and traded for a better one because he was so bad. Twins had 28 starts and an ERA of 5.5 from Blackburn. Yankees had Vazquez and Burnett as their "4th and 5th starters" based on performance. Had to use Dustin Moseley for 10 games. Rays legitimately went 5 deep but James Sheilds had an ERA over 5. Teams are still winning without going 6-deep, or even 5-deep very strongly. The Reds had Arroyo, Cueto, Volquez, Leake, Bailey, Wood. The Giants were able to add Bumgarner mid-season. I'm not saying you have to have a stud "sixth" starter. But we could pluck somebody from Subway and they'd give us just as good a chance as Lucas Harrell.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Feb 15, 2011 -> 01:50 PM) I think J4L interpreted it as having 6 guys capable as our 5th starter. Yes

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Feb 15, 2011 -> 12:55 PM) It's awesome that they're going for it this year, yet it was also the first winter where they didn't make a significant trade whatsoever (I know, Linebrink, whatever). Usually Williams is adding someone through a trade, or multiple people, but this year it was all free agent signings. I don't think it's an indication of how much they like the prospects in the system nor the lack of value of the prospects in the system (though I think both are true) but instead just that their needs lined up really well with the strengths of the free agent market this year. I do think it's a sign of progress that Morel is still in the organization, and quite frankly it's good that Viciedo is as well. Both of those two hold trade value and Williams could almost certainly have made the team better by trading them at some point, yet did not. I think there is a bit of a focus on building from within a bit more, but going outside the organization when you need something. I don't even think Kenny would trade Morel and leave us with a 44-year old and the hot garbage that is Teahen as our only 3B. I will say the organization appears to be totally committed to Viciedo. Which is a good thing. Still, the lack of organizational depth is very troubling. I know you can say this about a lot of teams. But any injury to anyone from the big league roster and we're f***ed.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 15, 2011 -> 11:58 AM) We have no sixth starter. Our fifth starter is hurt. Not many teams have six major league ready pitchers in their system. Six? We don't have one. We don't even have half of one. I will concede that if Peavy only misses a month or so we should be alright. Anything more and it's 2004 all over again.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Feb 14, 2011 -> 08:23 PM) In other words, the Philadelphia Phillies, under both Gillick and Amaro Jr. I think a point that gets overlooked all together is that the Phillies traded Gio Gonzalez and Gavin Floyd for Freddy Garcia. Freddy Garcia made like 11 starts for them, and he was terrible. And they still had the talent and eventually money to be able to put together the rotation they have now. Exactly. QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Feb 14, 2011 -> 10:41 PM) That's the goal IMO, to be able to make mistakes like that and still have not only the depth, but players with the ability to have a high impact. Every team will make mistakes, it's baseball, but the best teams have the depth to overcome mistakes, and the ability to continuously replenish that depth. The Sox chose this path this offseason because they didn't have the depth to refill the roster with young players, and didn't have enough tools on the MLB roster to trade to help replenish and position themselves to succeed in a year or two. They really were forced to spend this offseason, and unless they get more talent in the minors and win this year they are looking at a very bleak future, they have very little room for error right now. Yeah, I get a kick out of KW and Jerry wanting a cookie because they decided to "go for it" this year. We've been going for it every year at the expense of the future. If they had decided to go with the kids, what exactly would we be throwing out there? Jordan Danks and his Rob Deer-like K-rate with Juan Pierre's power?

QUOTE (supernuke @ Feb 15, 2011 -> 11:17 AM) I see 9 have signed up. 3 more to go. Make it two. I'm going to join as soon as 11 are signed up.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Feb 15, 2011 -> 11:05 AM) With the contracts (years) they just handed out to Dunn, Konerko, and Crain, I really believe they've made a commitment to at least 2012. You're probably right. I for one hope that if we crash and burn again that we finally decide to go in another direction (i.e. committing a ton more towards the draft and player development). I know that won't be popular. But looking up at the Twins every year isn't popular, either.

QUOTE (Brian @ Feb 14, 2011 -> 09:57 PM) People who buy Phillies tickets well in advance have an 80% chance of seeing a top tier pitcher. Than a 20% chance of getting to see Blanton. Like when the rotation comes around and I get stuck with Josh Stewart back in the day. Look on the bright side. We get Humber or Harrell this time around.

QUOTE (sin city sox fan @ Feb 14, 2011 -> 08:03 PM) Not putting Ozzie among the top 3 managers in the game ruins the credibility of all these lists. Hello, Oney? He's not even a top 10 manager.

QUOTE (witfesoxfan @ Feb 14, 2011 -> 06:40 PM) This is going to be the standard line that we've been using for a while, but really, if you are good enough at drafting that you can develop that talent into trade bait, then you are doing well enough. I agree that they need to draft and develop better, but it has improved monumentally over the past 3-5 years. Off the top of my head, I can think of Clayton Richard, Gio Gonzalez, Ryan Sweeney, Chris Carter, Gordon Beckham, Brent Morel, and Chris Sale that have all been drafted and developed by the White Sox, and I'm sure there are a couple others in there too. The only two of the four in the group that I would want back - meaning I would want the trade to be done over again - are Gio and Sweeney, and that's more due to their value on the trade market than it is my fascination for them. Personally, I think quite a bit more highly of both Carter and Richard, but I'm not going to redo the Quentin and Peavy trades. I agree with most of this. The thing is, the mlb draft is 50 rounds. This isn't the nba or even the nfl. I don't look at just the first round as the basis of a successful draft. Yes, we've gotten better. But we were so bad for so long that there was nowhere to go but up. I look at the Braves and I get, I don't know, jealous? They're a player developmental machine. I have higher standards than most. I believe a good farm should yield both trade bait AND top-tier prospects or even competent major league contributors.

QUOTE (WHITESOXRANDY @ Feb 14, 2011 -> 05:07 PM) So, how many games are the Sox going to give away until Peavy is pitching like his old self again ? Good question. I foresee an auto-loss whenever one of Danks, Floyd, Buerhle or Jackson doesn't pitch. Shades of '03 and '04.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 14, 2011 -> 05:22 PM) It's also worth noting that they give the total number of prospects each team has had appear on that list. The White Sox are tied for 12th, above average (the Braves of course run away with it). The Sox have had more than the average number of players appear on those lists and have had one of the highest success rates. To be fair, I didn't read that entire article. I just kinda skimmed through it. But the criteria this guy uses is flawed to me. The Sox are flat bad at drafting. There's no way to mask that fact. That's all I'm saying. This article doesn't make KW and Co. look smarter.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 14, 2011 -> 03:36 PM) To say it another way...Fangraphs gives Sergio Santos 1 WAR already. That's more than ~40% of that list will produce. I also found it interesting that over the time period studied, the White Sox are #4 on the list of successful prospect percentage. It's not that interesting to me. Most of the "prospects" we've "developed" were drafted by other organizations. Not saying there's anything wrong with that. That's the one thing we've been good at. Raiding other systems. But this still doesn't mask the fact that our drafting/developing has been putrid for the last decade.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Feb 14, 2011 -> 03:04 PM) I'm confident that Pujols is on some form of performance enhancer. It's just a matter of time before it comes out. That will indeed be a sad day. But at least I got to see one clean superstar in my lifetime. He goes by the name of Frank Thomas.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Feb 13, 2011 -> 09:19 PM) I've seen people throw Toronto into the equation since getting rid of the Wells contract. I do have a few problems with that though. First and foremost, the Blue Jays, even if they are looking better, still look nothing like a contender and success in the near future is not guaranteed. Secondly, getting rid of a monstrosity of a contract for another monstrosity of a contract isn't exactly good practice. Finally, there is the whole aspect of going to Canada, which Pujols may or may not mind. The Blue Jays do have the ability to free up like $30 million after this year too, mostly through the expiring contracts of relievers, so they could conceivably sign him and then have some money left over to give raises and bring in a couple other players as well. I just don't think he'd go to Canada. The Jays have a loaded farm system that should even get better with all the picks they have this year. I think they'd be able to put a sufficient amount of talent around him. But again, Albert ain't goin' to Canada.

QUOTE (supernuke @ Feb 13, 2011 -> 03:56 PM) Nelson Cruz Corey Hart Jason Heyward Matt Holliday Aubrey Huff Brian McCann Brandon Phillips Martín Prado Alexei Ramírez Drew Stubbs David Wright Heath Bell Chad Billingsley Joe Blanton Jonathan Broxton Clay Buchholz Kevin Gregg Phil Hughes Ubaldo Jiménez Colby Lewis David Price Players in bold are my keepers, at least until i change my mind. Damnit, I hate you. I wanted a shot at Heyward. I figured you would take McCann.

QUOTE (chisoxfan09 @ Feb 13, 2011 -> 08:36 PM) Yeah sorry J4L, meant to say that is a hypothetical assumption. No problem, bro. I knew what you ment.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 13, 2011 -> 08:32 PM) Sure. Which is exactly why they would spend it on Pujols. I'll say it today. Albert Pujols will never have a World Series ring after he signs his next contract. I agree completely. Baseball isn't basketball or even football (the QB) in which one guy can make THAT big a difference.