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Maybe saying no credit was wrong. But c'mon. A 4% chance or whatever it was? That's what I call luck.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Feb 24, 2011 -> 03:12 PM) What superstars did they refuse to trade Hinrich and Deng for? The Lakers wanted Deng in a Kobe deal that may or may not have existed, and if said deal that may or may not have existed had existed, Kobe then nixed the possible deal because he wanted to play WITH Deng if traded. The Bulls refused to add Joakim Noah in a Tyrus deal to land Pau Gasol. However, I don't see why we're bringing up John Paxson deals when Gar is supposedly in charge. I just have a hard time screaming "fire him" when the Bulls look legit for the first time in 14 years. Yes, we got extremely lucky to get Rose, AND picked the right guy over Beasley. OJ Mayo pushing people to the edge is hilarity. Look, is the Bulls hadn't LUCKED and I mean LUCKED into winning the lottery three years ago we'd be the Cavs. The Bulls get no credit for that. It's been proven that we can't land elite free agents and we're not bad enough to land a stud through the draft. Guys like Mayo are who you take chances on if they present themselves. Omer Asik? Give me a break.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Feb 24, 2011 -> 03:08 PM) Clearly when you can't spell the guys name I should certainly worry about your thoughts on Asik as a future difference-making center. OJ Mayo was not worth the risk. That's lame, dude. I spelled his name wrong once. In previous posts I spelled it correctly. I'm typing fast right now. And his name is not even worth spelling right anyway.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Feb 24, 2011 -> 03:06 PM) Yeah Mayo is comparable to KG and Gasol. And who is overrating Asik? People are saying hes a good bench player. Its just you believe that Mayo is more than a bench player right now. Most of us are saying that trading a bench player for a bench player doesnt make much sense, especially because our bench player plays at the more scarce position. That is a completely reasonable and legitimate argument. Your argument is based on your belief that Mayo will all of a sudden play a lot better. It can happen, but there is absolutely no evidence to suggest it. Mayo's stats are the worst in his career, yet he is going to trend up? That makes no sense. The bolded is what I'm talking about. A good bench player? Have some expectations! Mayo has shown more in a week than Asik has ever shown. Mayo was the third overall pick in the draft for a reason. Yes, he's regressed. But Asik over Mayo? No, sir. I'll take that "risk" 10 times out of 10.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Feb 24, 2011 -> 03:00 PM) God dayn. OJ Mayo has quite a rep for a f***ing pretty s***ty player. FIRE FORMAN! BEST RECORD SINCE 96 FIRE HIM!!! I WANT OJ MAYO!!!!! FIRE PEOPLE!!! OJ MAYOOOOOO! Ridiculous. Take it the f*** easy, Mayo isn't taking us to another level, and when Boozer or Joakim go down next year and we can insert Omer you'll see why keeping him was smart. Wow, now that's comfort. If Noah or Boozer go down we can insert Osik can not lose a beat! Please. Nobody outside of a homer Bulls fan would agree with that. No GM on earth would take 10 Asiks over 1 Mayo. Best record since '96? We haven't won 50 games since then and had one of the worst 7-year stretches in the history of sports. That's not saying much. I meant to say since the dynasty ended.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Feb 24, 2011 -> 02:48 PM) Asik is 24.. If Asik was 33 Id be in complete agreement, might as well go for the young with upside. But this is like arguing one player has more upside versus another. There just is absolutely no reason at the moment to believe the light is going to click for Mayo. If his stats were great (ft % and shooting %) but his minutes were low ( less than 25 per game) I could agree that the coaching staff may be holding him back. But his stats are bad (under 40% from the field is under 40%, I dont care if your a starter or coming from the stands) and hes getting solid minutes for having such bad stats. I cant imagine how pissed Id be watching a guy shooting under 40%. Bogans is shooting 40%, at least hes supposed to be good at defense. Mayo was a hyped player in High School. In college he was good but not special and in the pros he has been meh. Unless he makes a major attitude change, he probably will never come close to his talent. (Edit) BJ Upton has put up significantly better numbers than Mayo. What year did Mayo even come close to what would be a 894 ops in the Basketball? Upton has had one what you would call above average year. And he's become the poster boy for underachievers in baseball. And many have said in the past they wouldn't touch him for that very reason.

Asik has become more overrated than Andruw Bynum. This is the same orgnization that wouldn't part with Luol Deng when KG and Gasol were out there. Upside with Asik is limited. MAYBE you can get above seriviceable production at some point. That's it. If he was the reason we didn't go after Mayo then I want Forman fired.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Feb 24, 2011 -> 02:45 PM) Oh and I love that Perkins is gone, he always seemed to step it up against the bulls. Dwight Howard is estatic. Perkins is his daddy.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 24, 2011 -> 02:40 PM) Not to mention Kurt thomas won't be here next year, and I don't see OJ Mayo as being teh last piece of a title winning team. There is no "last piece" we could realistically get for this year. We don't have the assets for that. Maybe it's just me. But everybody is always looking at the current year and only that year. If you get Mayo turned around, you've got a stud for the long-term. Yes, I know there's risk involved. That's sports. Best example I can come up with from a baseball point of view is B.J. Upton. He's severely underachieved. But if the Rays made him available? I'd be on that like a bottle of vodka.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Feb 24, 2011 -> 02:37 PM) He's going to lead our team in homers this year. Don't forget outfield assists.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Feb 24, 2011 -> 02:27 PM) I think Mayo isnt starting because of stats like 75% from the free throw line and 40% shooting from the field. You can blame a coach or system all you want, but a great player will put the ball in the hoop in any system. Maybe if his stats were great but his numbers were low I could buy it, but his stats are bad so I can definitely see him not playing as much as last year. Huh? Anyway, I'm with Chw42. I'm the same way in hoops as I am in baseball. Young talent with tantalizing upside, even if they've underachieved to a point, is always worth taking a chance on. Who's to say Mayo couldn't have flourished with a team like Chicago over the perpetual mess that is the grizzlies? I'm not letting Mayo off the hook. Like I said, he's underachieved. But the dude is 23?

QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Feb 24, 2011 -> 02:23 PM) Awful trade for the Celtics. I don't get how adding a combo 3/4 possibly that won't start and getting rid of a very good defensive C possibly improves that team. Especially since they just made it easier for the Heat to match up with them. Didn't Perkins turn down a pretty lucrative extension recently? I think the Celtics were looking at the long-term more than anything. But I agree it's a big loss for at least this season.

QUOTE (ScottyDo @ Feb 24, 2011 -> 12:40 PM) Am I the only who thinks this deal wouldn't get done because the SOX wouldn't want to do it? The dropoff from Buehrle to Harrell is much, MUCH worse than the dropoff from Rasmus to Pierre. Doesn't really make our defense that much better cuz Q is still in right. Plus, there's no way Kenny's trading off a starter at this point in the offseason, no matter how desperate the Cards are (and I don't believe for a minute that STL isn't panicking a little right now). I mean sure, if someone makes a stupid-ridiculous offer that's guaranteed to put us over the top immediately, then sure, Kenny will pull the trigger. But he has an offseason plan and it's very clear that the 5 guys we have are integral to it. I mean, really, are we better off this year with a decent upgrade in the outfield and a giant hole on our pitching staff? I think we're just so offense-starved as a fanbase that we're willing to overlook how important pitching really is. I get what you're saying. My point is Rasmus would be a long-term fix. He wouldn't be just about 2011 and, god I hate these words, as a small gerbil dies whenever they're said outloud, being "all-in" for this year. I'd take Rasmus and his cost-controlled salary for the next 4 years over Mark's age-33-36 seasons without hesitation.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Feb 24, 2011 -> 11:55 AM) I dunno, I'd take a stud CF over a stud reliever any day. As would I. But we've been wiped out recently of legitimate pitching with the second Swisher trade and Peavy/Jackson trades. Sale should be close to untouchable only when you consider our current situation.

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QUOTE (greg775 @ Feb 24, 2011 -> 01:29 AM) Since this is an offseason catch all thread and I fear starting new threads cause people sometimes get mad ... Can I get a roll call to pat ourselves on the back? How many of you used this Website regularly all offseason? How many days a week did you check it and did you post much? Roll call please? My answer: I checked it every day. I posted a fair amount. p.s. Do the mods take into consideration how much a person uses the site year round when making decisions in the heat of the season whether to suspend somebody a couple weeks for mouthing off? Or is everybody considered equal in that regard? This is the most random post ever. What did you do?

QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Feb 24, 2011 -> 01:12 AM) Great find. Yeah, I give up trying to figure out why he's not adjusting his mechanics but I know if he HAD to he's gonna do it. So, I'm assuming it's OK with the team. The Sox are diligent as hell on that type of thing. That's what concerns me. The guy has done it with those same mechanics and has had a tremendous amount of success doing it that way his entire career. To tell the guy at 29 that he has to significantly alter those mechanics isn't going to be easy. Hell, he could make a mega effort to change them and then just by force of habit revert back to those prior mechanics and another major injury could occur. Guess what I'm saying is that no matter how Scott Merikiney the White Sox want to be when discussing Peavy, he's going to be high-risk from this point on.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Feb 23, 2011 -> 10:04 PM) Someone on MLBTR mentioned Sale for Rasmus. That's an interesting trade offer. I'd do it though. Definitely interesting. But like I've said before (probably 234 times in the last 6 months), with impending FA for Jackson, a Boras client, and Mark, combined with the albatross that could be Jake Peavy's contract through at least 2012 and the fact there's nothing in the pipeline pitching wise that even scenario or jpn could even pretend to get excited about, there's no way we can afford to trade away any cost-controlled pitching. Even if Sale ultimately ends up a set-up man/closer.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Feb 23, 2011 -> 08:44 PM) Carlos Quentin bad. Defensive rating actually likes Boozer - I guess there's exceptions with every stat. Just like how Javy Vazquez defies FIP. Too bad the Bears don't have Vasher still. We'd have three of the top 10 worst defenders in pro sports.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Feb 23, 2011 -> 08:32 PM) Carlos Boozer's defense is so damn bad. What would his UZR Be?

Only thing you worry(ied) about with a guy like Noah is stamina and maybe a little rust. I know if I don't workout for a couple weeks that there's a certain level of rust I have to shake off. So you gotta magnify that by 10 with a pro athlete. Besides that, there's just not much effort that goes with incoporating a guy like Noah back into the lineup.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Feb 23, 2011 -> 06:17 PM) I looked up his Cubs stats, and I guess I was a bit wrong. He didn't fare that well at Wrigley overall. Except for 2009, when he had 10 horse shoes up his ass. 2007 Home: 3.87 ERA, 123.1 IP, 19 HRs 2007 Road: 3.76 ERA, 83.2 IP, 9 HRs 2008 Home: 4.50 ERA, 90.0 IP, 15 HRs 2008 Road: 3.77 ERA, 114.2 IP, 17 HRs 2009 Home: 1.87 ERA, 91.1 IP, 8 HRs 2009 Road: 4.41 ERA, 85.2 IP, 14 HRs 2010 at Wrigley: 4.28 ERA, 67.1 IP, 14 HRs 2010 Road: 3.89 ERA, 83.1 IP, 12 HRs Yup. 2009 was indeed an outlier. 30+ HR allowed is pretty much a lock for Garza.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Feb 23, 2011 -> 05:24 PM) Jonny Gomes is crazy, so that was expected. Pretty bad baseball player as well.

QUOTE (PlaySumFnJurny @ Feb 23, 2011 -> 04:30 PM) Interesting SI article on the KC farm system: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writ....html?eref=sihp Damn, even I'm getting sick of their system and everybody knows how much I drool over premium/young talent. But we get it now. Baseball America, MLB.com, Baseball Prospectus, Fangraphs, Keith Law, ect. Greatest system that's ever lived. Now shut the f*** up. Not you, Play.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Feb 23, 2011 -> 04:53 PM) WTF is an NL Only hitter? I mean, I can understand an AL Only hitter because he needs to DH and can't play defense (Jim Thome), but NL Only? WTF? I'm sorry. That was the dumbest s*** I've heard on this board (not that he's dumb, mods, just that the comment was dumb). I was too shocked to even comprehend what was being said.