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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 21, 2011 -> 06:51 AM) Sergio Santos spends time at Closer this year Phil Humber wins multiple games for the Sox in 2011 Paul Konerko hits half as many homers as 2010 Greg Walker finally gets fired That would be a disaster and another albatross contract on the Sox's hands.

QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Mar 20, 2011 -> 09:13 PM) Whatever, you caught the fever and already got the tattoo, so you're not even sticking your neck out. Looks like this on your lower back: I'm a man of my word. I promise you I'll do it.

Thank you. Props to Ozzie on this one. JP needs to stop trying to be the f***ing incredible hulk. He's not helping anybody.

Not a prediction. But I want to let all of Soxtalk know that if Thornton sports a better K-rate, WHIP, FIP, save% and saves overall than Soria I will get the Bieber tattoo. And to make it more interesting, he only has to trump Soria in 3 of those 5 categories for me to get the tat. J4L keeps his word. So save this post. Put it in your sigs or whatever.

Good draft everybody. I'm open for business if anybody wants to trade. I'm looking for a slugging 1B.

QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Mar 20, 2011 -> 08:27 PM) not sure who you're directing that at, if it is the media that's somewhat fair, but for the Sox org, I don't think it fits. At the very beginning of ST they came out and said there would be a setback, but for 3 weeks he pitched a normal schedule of a pitcher, increasing his pitch count with decent velocity for early to mid march. It wasn't until yesterday that the Sox talked about opening day roster, but what were they suppose to do? It's in 2 weeks and he was on track. We'll see, hopefully it's what ptac is talking about with the muscles lacking due to time off pitching and it's what the Sox and doctors expected. It wasn't directed at anyone. But C'mon. We used to clown the Cubs all the time whenever it appeared Wood and Prior were ready to go and they mysteriously had a 'setback.' I didn't buy the bright and shiny Peavy crap from the start. I kept quiet because I didn't want to pollute the board with negative vibes or whatever. But my fury will be unleashed now.

I love ptatc. Not like that. But you guys get it. I'm not drinking the Peavy kool-aid anymore. I'll be SHOCKED if we see him before the break.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 20, 2011 -> 02:53 PM) That is selective reading then. There has been plenty of talk about the potential for problems in this scenario. GMAB. I know you're the Hawk Harrelson of the board. But there was no way in hell he was gonna he ready for opening day. Yet we've been misled for weeks.

QUOTE (Heads22 @ Mar 20, 2011 -> 02:44 PM) You realize he hasn't even been scratched from Thursday yet, right? It obviously doesn't look good, but this is more than likely symptomatic of the lat injury and him not being able to go through normal offseason workouts. Chances are he'll miss some starts, start the season on the DL, get a few starts in Charlotte and be ready by May. That's a best case scenario. But let this be a final lesson as far as spring training fluff goes.

And please...no more JFP. The Sox are so screwed. Albatross or however you spell it contract for a Mark Prior clone.

This is why I dismiss spring training fluff. Not surprised at all. The Humber era is upon us.

QUOTE (chimpy2121 @ Mar 20, 2011 -> 11:55 AM) Kemp will now be kept instead of Wilson. Final Keepers: Hamilton Votto Lincecum Cain Kemp Those should've been your keepers all along. I wanted to say something but I didn't want you to come to your senses. Lol.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 20, 2011 -> 12:00 PM) Allen is getting blocked by Miranda and Xavier Nady. That probably said more than anything else that could be said. I get that. The question is why? Just pretend you're a D-backs fan for a second. You've got a 24-year old that's obliterated AAA the last year+. He's a good athlete and versatile. His BB rate sky-rocketed. Nady and Miranda, well, they suck. There's no logic here.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Mar 20, 2011 -> 10:42 AM) You have not made one wholly optimistic post this year. I'm insulted by this accusation. Even though you're right. Lol. Well at least give me the Dunn signing. And I've lauded Ozzie for naming Thornton/Morel the closer and 3B. But, yeah, let us get off to another 2010-ish like start and my wrath will be epic. QUOTE (JPN366 @ Mar 20, 2011 -> 10:51 AM) We may not always agree, but we do now. But dammit, I do respect the hell out of you, J4L. Thanks, buddy. Right back at ya.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 20, 2011 -> 10:41 AM) @jcrasnick Just heard that the #whitesox have informed Brent Morel that he's won the starting 3B job #espnst Ozzie is 2 for 2 over the last couple days. Now if we could just find a way to cut Pierre's at bats in half.

Have a great one

QUOTE (shakes @ Mar 19, 2011 -> 09:40 PM) Honestly, Pena is worth much more than Allen, and most teams know it. Like it or not, the Sox won that trade. Allen is AAA fodder and the Sox let him go and got value for him at he right time. Allen is about 5th on the depth chart and a year a way from being nothing. Pena isn't a stud, but he is worth more than Brandon Allen. Brandon Allen would be far and away the top prospect in our system, not including Sale, and in the top 10-12 in many others. I can't really pinpoint why Arizona hasn't given him a chance yet. Then again, they've traded Max Scherzer and Dan Haren for pretty mediocre returns. And I don't know where you get that 4 guys are ahead of him on their depth chart. He's second only to Juan Miranda at 1B. And they've got the great Xavier Nady in LF, another position Allen could potentially play. If you think the Sox 'won' that trade I would hate to see your definition of lost trade. Pena sucks.

QUOTE (sircaffey @ Mar 19, 2011 -> 07:49 PM) What's the criteria? Keep in mind Thornton has had a better WAR than Soria each of the past 3 seasons. Might want to choose something other than a Bieber tattoo, just in case... I don't like WAR when it comes to relievers. Sean Marshall had a higher WAR than Rivera last year. Sample size is too small. I don't even know what the criteria would be. But if he can exceed Soria in his first year as the full-time closer that would be rather awesome.

QUOTE (qwerty @ Mar 19, 2011 -> 09:49 PM) Ding, ding, ding, thankfully. People should know me better than that, especially j4l. After all... I knew you were being sarcastic. My response to you was sarcasm as well. Didn't think I needed the green.

QUOTE (sircaffey @ Mar 19, 2011 -> 05:44 PM) Thank you god. Now no reason to not convert Sale back to a SP after the year. Not to mention, I think Thornton will be the 2nd best closer in the AL behind Mariano. I'll shave my legs and get a Justin Bieber Tattoo if he's better than Soria. Not that he couldn't be. That would just be amazing.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 19, 2011 -> 05:38 PM) Not that I don't want to see Matt close or anything, but you just described Thornton here too. I know that. That was my point. If Matt fails or is mediocre it won't be because he's a predominantly FB pitcher.

QUOTE (qwerty @ Mar 19, 2011 -> 05:19 PM) He only has one pitch and was bad in the chances he had to close. I wouldn't do it. Wait, you mean having one pitch and dominating the 8th inning won't translate to having one pitch and dominating the 9th? Good move. I'm actually proud of Ozzie here.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Mar 19, 2011 -> 01:29 PM) No doubt the farm system has to improve. Outside of a handful of prospects, the system is pretty barren. KW has been playing a dangerous game for a while keeping it so thin. He's been forced to make a lot of risky trades to help offset this lack of talent and luckily he's been successful so far. Let's be honest, where would we be right now without the Danks and Floyd deals? The system just couldn't produce guys like that at the time. How often can you trade for arms with that kind of talent and then develop them into above average starting pitchers? At some point, if the system doesn't improve, deals like that won't work out or won't be available and the Sox will not have adequate backup options in our system. That's when we'll really be in trouble. I give KW and the FO full credit for both Danks and Floyd. That's the one thing we've been good at. Or at least were good at. Evaluating talent from other teams. But that was 2006. You gotta keep the train movin'. I agree with most of what you say here. An ideal farm is one that you can use as a source of talent infusion for the big league team AND be able to have enough left over to supplement that talent through trades to being in proven players wherever you're lacking. Also, KW played no role whatsoever in our #1 ranking going into 2001. He had only been the GM for a few months prior to that. The Royal are a special case. More than likely all of their top 10-15 guys won't pan out. But they appear to be so deep that if even 6-8 of them do they'll still be in pretty good shape. Elite/premium prospects is what everybody wants, especially me. But organizational depth is also important. We have none of either.

QUOTE (danman31 @ Mar 19, 2011 -> 02:39 PM) I wouldn't mind shrinking the league. That could liven things up a bit for the draft. I agree. If we have to go 10 then fine. I've left some PMs for a few people and gotten no response back. I'm done recruiting. Teams like mine and Steve's have a pretty sizable advantage over the rest of the field. 10 teams would give those with lesser keepers a better chance to catch up.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Mar 19, 2011 -> 10:16 AM) I think we're done taking Lance Broadway and Kyle McCulloch types. However, I do think the Sox will make pitching the focus of their next few drafts. If so, we're more likely to get another Dan Hudson who can move through the system quickly. Well it's going to be much tougher, as we don't have a first round pick this year and only one of the first 60 picks overall. Another Dan Hudson would be nice. But I'm thinking he was more of an outlier.. At least for this franchise. I don't recall anybody ever pining for a #1 ranked farm. But the short-term and even long-term value that comes from being able to consistently produce from within is immeasurable. I'm not saying half the roster has to be homegrown. But they have to get better. A LOT better. The defense was always that none of the guys he traded ever amounted to anything. Well, you started to see some of those guys produce last year. And when the trade deadline came around and it was time to upgrade the pathetic DH situation, KW fell flat on his face. Fortunately, it doesn't appear that a MAJOR need will arise this season unless there's a significant injury. But I wouldn't count on KW being as active come trade time as he has been in the past. Can't really bargain when you have nothing to bargain with.