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QUOTE (TitoMB @ May 22, 2010 -> 12:54 AM) YES! I needed them to get me a win badly tonight, and they did. THATS why I love the White Sox. May I ask what was so special about this game that you needed a win so badly?

QUOTE (SoxAce @ May 22, 2010 -> 12:05 AM) Lets win more than 1-2 wins in a row before we get excited. As thunderbolt said, this team has a tendency to win one, get all of our hopes up saying this is where they turn it around, then all of a sudden lose the next game, or lose the series entirely. The only thing different about now is it is the NL so perhaps we might win some series (or sweep) at least. Agree completely. Until this team gets to .500, there isn't a thing to get excited about. I learned that lesson after the Seattle sweep.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ May 21, 2010 -> 08:53 PM) Danks 0-4. WITH 4 K'S. OH MY GOD. I never understood the hype from the beginning. And if the search function worked I'd be able to prove it.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 20, 2010 -> 08:55 PM) How's he been looking lately? U. Jimenez is the most filthy pitcher I've seen all year. Real good since that disaster against the Brewers. And Ubaldo is 1-hitting the Astros through 6 tonight. Look for Lincecum to SO at least 15 guys as he's up against the Diamondbacks. Strasburg might make his ML debut June 4th. Say what you want about the NL, but the arms are filthy.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 20, 2010 -> 08:55 PM) He's all talk, he keeps saying that if the team doesn't play better, people will lose their jobs. KW picked an awful time this last offseason to let Ozzie take over the organization. This is a guy that traded the team's most popular position player 7.3 seconds after winning the World Series. Kenny is as ballsy as they come. And there's still no move that could've been made that could overcome CQ, Beckham, Ramirez, Buehrle, Peavy and Floyd performing at replacement level or worse.

Thank god for Extra Innings. Gettin' ready to watch my true love Clayton Kershaw.

QUOTE (TitoMB @ May 20, 2010 -> 08:47 PM) This offense makes me want to puke. Oh my god, just f***ing awful. And I seriously have no faith in any changes being made. Kenny has no balls. C'mon now. Of all the things you could criticize Kenny for having no balls is certainly not one of them.

Zobrist, Upton and Pena (who has 2) with HRs tonight. Beating up on the Yankees again 8-4. I wish I was programmed to go bandwagon.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 20, 2010 -> 08:30 PM) I can't even start a "half-fake" optimistic thread with the way things are going. On the plus side, there's no way to "paper" or gloss over these embarassing results, something has to happen, the season is too long and there's too much revenue to be lost to stand pat and just try to sell a false bill of goods to loyal/dedicated/committed White Sox fans for four full months. I can't believe I'm saying this. But I can agree with all of this.

QUOTE (jphat007 @ May 20, 2010 -> 08:27 PM) Some 16 million dollar Ace we've got there. I can't even get on you tonight. This team is too depressing.

Smallz from Sandlot has a better arm than Pierre. No hyperbole.

lmao@that throw by Pierre. Oh my goodness.

I'm seriously getting worried. Not about this team. But me as a fan. I'm watching this team strictly out of loyalty right now. I do not look forward to Sox games at the moment. And it's not even their record. I've seen much worse. They're just extremely boring. I really wish I hadn't gotten Extra Innings. I've been watching too much Rays baseball.

QUOTE (WCSox @ May 20, 2010 -> 08:06 PM) Frank and Mo Vaughn were both elite hitters who won MVPs. Sure, Frank was better, but your assertion that the Sox wouldn't have won the division with Vaughn instead of Frank is silly. We can agree to disagree on that, as your man-love for Frank seems to be getting in the way of your ability to think objectively. And your lame attempt to try to minimize Frank's importance by overrating Mo Vaughn is just as silly. I know exactly what it is. Your argument is basically 4 > 1. That's pretty easy to tear apart in this case. The Giants had a pretty good pitching staff in 2002 when they were 5 outs away from a title. But I'll still go out on a limb and say Barry Bonds was just a tad more important.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ May 20, 2010 -> 04:17 PM) Tigers might tie the Twins today. It's at least a tad comforting to see Liriano coming back to earth a little.

QUOTE (WCSox @ May 20, 2010 -> 07:41 PM) If you honestly think that Frank had as much impact on the Sox as MJ did on the Bulls, you're sports-illiterate. You still don't get it. But it's not surprising. So do I get to cherry-pick 5 comparable starters from the AL at that time that could easily step in and replace what the Sox rotation did to minimize their importance? And no, the SP would not have been able to overcome the massive difference between Frank and Mo Vaughn. They are both black, though. So I guess you can hang on to that. Frank Thomas was the single most important player by a wide margin on that '93 team. Sure, it's easy to say SP > Frank because that's basically 4 guys against 1. But that's a straw-man argument. And a pretty weak one at that.

QUOTE (WCSox @ May 20, 2010 -> 06:13 PM) Your comparison of the impact of one player in two very unlike sports is dumb, to put it nicely. Since a discussion of "carrying" a team to a second-place finish or a strike is pointless, I'll focus on the '93 season, where they actually won something and played in the ALCS... Not really. Yeah, they're different sports (and thank you so much for pointing that out. I didn't realize that). But the point is pretty clear. Take away that one guy and that team suffers quite a bit. 1+1=2. Not that difficult to comprehend. At least it shouldn't be. The difference between 1.033 and .915 is a little more than "slight" downgrade. Franks '93 torches Vaughn's '93 every way imaginable. Every single stat (common sense also helps) backs this up. Marginally better at best. But that wasn't the point. The '05 pitching staff was more critical to the success of that team than the '93 staff was to that team due to the latter sporting the best offensive player in baseball. A game-breaker. A guy that could single-handedly carry a team for weeks at a time. The '05 team had no such difference maker. Again, this is pretty obvious. Then again we're talking about somebody that compared Chris Getz favorably to B.J. Upton.

QUOTE (WCSox @ May 20, 2010 -> 10:55 AM) So your argument has morphed from Frank "carrying us" to "carrying a big part of the load." Perhaps you simply misspoke the first time? Frank carried us in the same way Michael Jordan carried the Bulls. Look at some of those White Sox offenses of the early 90's (save 1994) and explain to me without sounding stupid how Frank wasn't BY FAR AND AWAY the driving force for the Sox offensively. lol@this. They probably don't win without Lance Johnson either. Frank was still the overwhelming best player offensively. Mo Vaughn? LMAO! And the pitching didn't "overwhelmingly" carry us. You're thinking '05. A combination of good pitching and having the best offensive player aka the league MVP is what won it in '93. '94? Are you kidding? The pitching was good. But quit the hyperbole. I'll go with Frank's 211+ OPS (and the fact he was having arguably the greatest offensive season in history) over Wilson Alvarez's team low (amongst the starters) 3.45 ERA for why we were so good in 1994. But then again, Cecil Fielder could've easily replaced Frank Thomas and we wouldn't have missed a beat. lol.

I might rather have Francisco Cervelli over AJP at this point.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ May 20, 2010 -> 08:46 AM) I wouldn't say they are without payroll issues. Carl Crawford and Carlos Pena are definitely not coming back next year because they can't afford them. Once some of the other guys get older, they are gonna have to make some tough $$$$ decisions too. Jeremy Hellickson, Alex Torres, Matt Moore, Desmond Jennings, Tim Beckham, Matt Joyce, ect. They're churning out premium talent at a spectacular rate. They've become what the A's were in the early 2000's. Except instead of obsessing over fat, non-athletic, cows that get on base a lot the Rays put a premium on speed, athleticism and multi-talented players with upside.

I can't believe some are advocating trading Alex Rios. lol. He's only the best all-around player this team has had in about 8 years.

QUOTE (iamshack @ May 20, 2010 -> 08:16 AM) Exactly. This is what I was trying to get to yesterday when I asked Milkman who our two biggest culprits in the offense have been. Quentin and Beckham. Two highly, highly rated prospects who have been going through their fair share of growing pains. For all of those who are advocating trading away the core for prospects, Q and Gordo are two prime examples of why rebuilding can be incredibly frustrating and frightening. Alexei Ramirez has been every bit as disappointing as CQ AND Beckham. Like I said in the game-thread, I've never seen 3 young seemingly ultra-talented players from the same team fall into the baseball abyss of suckage so rapidly. It's really disheartening when you see teams like the Rays, Rangers and Tigers spitting out legitimate young talent in droves.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ May 19, 2010 -> 11:00 PM) Whoa... optimist J4L... is that you? I did say at this rate. I'm certainly not mailing it in. But at almost 40 games in you start to get a clearer picture of the type of team you have.

QUOTE (earthshiner @ May 19, 2010 -> 10:22 PM) ultra stud? when did I miss that? 2004-2006.

QUOTE (DBAHO @ May 19, 2010 -> 10:49 PM) Yep. Fools gold when you are signing him. I pay no attention to the "Amare started playing defense for the first time ever" articles that were coming out just before the playoffs. He's going to get the max. No question about it. And some team is going to seriously regret that down the road. I just hope the Bulls aren't the stupid ones.