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QUOTE (juddling @ Sep 23, 2010 -> 01:03 PM) i dont know for sure who it was (obviously) but i have a feeling Good points. I forgot about that.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 23, 2010 -> 02:18 PM) Ha, just found this quote in the other newspaper, sun times, bout ozzie Guillen is the most popular man in a Sox jersey in town. He might be the most popular sports figure in town. He helps put butts in seats. And he's a good manager. How would not signing him to a new contract help the organization? Yes! That Morrissee colun was excellent and the correct take on this IMO. I disagree. Unless by popular he means well-known, and that would be only because of the soap opera he currently stars in. Konerko is the face of this team right now, IMO. Does Ozzie really help put butts it seats? Really? People don't go to a Sox game to see Ozzie (unless all they ever want to see is him getting thrown out of changing pitchers).

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 23, 2010 -> 01:55 PM) Ha, most of "the city" agrees with me, not Saxtalk. Read that story over and over how much Guillen is beloved. Ozzie rocks. Also, nice way for Kenny to throw in his own ego about how are he is working. Poor, poor KW who put this piece of s*** second half product on the field. Hope you can sleep a few hours, Kenny, staying up all night. "No, not for me," Williams said. "I won't rule that out one day. My competitiveness to win a world championship in Chicago has not waned one bit. The weariness from lack of sleep and trying to figure out how to right the ship, that's exhausting, yes. But I'm not tired of my job here." I don't think that most of the city agrees with you. Nor do I think the majority of the city wants Ozzie gone. The majority of the city probably doesn't care. I do think that SoxTalk is a decent glimpse at Sox fans as a whole. There are those who love him, those who want him gone, and those that are luke warm on him. And as far as KW putting out a POS second half team, that's not a true statement. The team really didn't look a lot different between the 1st and 2nd halves. What happened was what almost always happens: The team played poorly in the second half. I'm not saying it was all Ozzie's fault, but it definitely wasn't all KW's fault.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Sep 23, 2010 -> 07:36 AM) Sox officially pick up Thornton's option for 2011 - $3M.

Watched The Event last night. I liked it. I knew there was going to a sci-fi aspect to it, so I wasn't surprised. I hope it makes it and is done better than Flash Forward.

QUOTE (juddling @ Sep 22, 2010 -> 11:16 PM) Terriers has got me hooked. the ending of last night's show was very very interesting. Yeah, what the hell happened at the end? Who was that guy in the background?

QUOTE (Jenks Heat @ Sep 22, 2010 -> 01:34 PM) I got into SOA early last season and wow can I get lost some times. Never knew there was as deep an Irish connection there. The Cleaner was as creepy as they get. Did you notice that his name was Bachman? Clever.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 22, 2010 -> 01:48 PM) Well then they still should be thrilled. Why wouldn't you want Ozzie Guillen? He has a WS title at a young age. Good manager. Fun guy. He won't be as out of control media wise down there. Different venues. He has more passion up here cause he is a White Sox. That's who he is. Down there he'll be just another guy. Probably good for his health in the long run. You know, a change of venue for Ozzie would probably be good for him. His managing style may work better in Florida, and maybe he won't rub as many people the wrong way. If he does make his way down south, he'll take his family circus with him. Let's hope for the Marlins' sake that he and his sons don't do battle with their GM.

I don't think I've ever seen the word "fluke" used so often. The 2005 team was quite good, and they were almost completely dominant in the playoffs. But everything for that team clicked at the same time. Maybe not a fluke by definition, but it wasn't just the fact that the team was better than every other team.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 22, 2010 -> 01:26 PM) What fans? They should be thrilled. Don't a lot of Chicago retirees live down there anyway? They'll love him. Hope we don't face them in the WS. There are plenty of Florida Marlins fans. True, a lot of people in Florida are transplants, but they are from all over, not just Chicago.

We can only hope. Whether or not Ozzie is as bad a manager as he seems sometimes, the BS with him and his family got very old this season.

Can we get three more wins this year...you know, just to have a winning season?

go team

SOA was good again last night.

What a roller coaster of a season. Overall it was disappointing, but we had a good time in June and July. I'm hoping for major changes in the off season. I really thought this season would come down to the last week, but the last 8 games have been an utter collapse. It's strange. It's sad and depressing, but there's also a bit of relief. I wouldn't feel that way had the Sox put up a fight over the past two weeks. But with the way they played, there was never a chance of making it.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 22, 2010 -> 02:29 AM) Ban me if you want, but I truly believe that if any alleged Sox fan believes '05 was a f***ing "fluke" he is no true fan. What is a f***ing fluke anyway? Any team that's not favored that COMPETES and wins it all??? Sure it was unexpected. But The Sox are the 05 World Series champions. They WON IT, not by any damn fluke. A fluke is a type of fish.

QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Sep 21, 2010 -> 08:36 PM) My apologies for comin off preachy. I just can't understand the Larussa2011 love. The man is around 70. 70! How is that upgrading for the future? I don't see fire n passion, I only see a corpse manager. Why not offer Bobby Cox 3rd base coach; he's available too. How bout sticking with both Ozzie and Kenny and just tweaking the roster instead? They've both proven they can win the big one. The 2005 team is a prime example of players collectively having career years- why is that never to Ozzie's credit, getting a lackluster group to overachieve? Could Bevington have coasted to a title with that team as well? Not sure. And all you Ozzie haters, don't forget you have to beat out the cubs for a manager as well now. Tough boat to be in; tough sell to the fans. Well I guess if we could pry George Brett away from the Royals..... I certainly didn't take your post as preachy. I agree about LaRussa (and Torre for that matter), at least when it comes age. Either one most likely wouldn't give you more than 5 years or so. I do credit Ozzie with at least some of what happened in 2005. What he did back then with the team he had worked. Things just haven't gelled since. Not entirely Ozzie's fault, but he tried to manage like an NL club, and it really hasn't worked. As far as your comment about the Cubs, that's true. As a matter of fact, there could be many more teams looking for managers during this off season. Like an article stated, Guillen and LaRussa leaving their present clubs could start a domino-effect.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 21, 2010 -> 06:06 PM) Get ready for the Buddy Bell era. Yuk. I have to hand it to you, Greg. You are all over the place. As far as Torre goes, I say there's no chance. He's 70, so he wouldn't be around long (coaching, that is). Buddy Bell? I doubt it. If Ozzie leaves, and if he does it'll be on his own terms, I see the Sox going younger again, like with Ozzie. And it might be someone from within the organization (Cora?). I know you love Ozzie, but you make it sound like this team would never win an other game if he's not back next year. Yes, the Sox won it all in 2005, but other than that, how many times did the Sox make the playoffs under Ozzie?

QUOTE (Wanne @ Sep 21, 2010 -> 03:21 PM) Then by all means stop. Ya know what...I had a DUI back in my day...and I'm a pretty responsible, productive member of society who's a single dad mind you also and have raised 3 awesome kids. Sure glad I didn't have Judgy-judgersons like you tellin' me what an awful individual I am and what I'm "capable of". Get off you high horse. Back to the topic...say Ozzie did bolt for the fish...who would you like to see brought in? One comment on your response: Well said. Back to the topic, LaRussa is 65, so even if he were to come to the Sox it wouldn't be for a long time (5-7 years?). I would imagine the Sox would try to go younger, like they did with Ozzie. I don't know a lot about the candidates out there, but I wonder if they'd give Cora a shot.

In reading these arguments, I can't get past the fact that we are talking about grown men. Unless their manager is saying, "Hey guys, go get trashed and then jump in your cars and drive around", he's not responsible for them getting DUIs or getting in accidents. He may have set a bad example by getting his own DUI, but that's about the long and short of it.

QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Sep 20, 2010 -> 12:59 PM) There aren't reports of Ozzie abusing the legal drug. LaRussa is the only manager who was found passed out behind the wheel at a major intersection. That means he abuses alcohol; he doesn't have the stones to say no to drinks after he gets tipsy. No way is this a role model for young men. It means he drank too much at that time and made the bad decision to drive. It doesn't necessarily mean he abuses alcohol.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 21, 2010 -> 07:54 AM) You don't think there's any connection between a player who drinks and drives and a manager who does the exact same thing? I don't. Do you really think that LaRussa is that big on an influence on his players (who are adults) that they drink and drive just because he does?

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 21, 2010 -> 12:34 AM) The acquisition of Manny was the exclamation point to this rotten season, not to mention the season-ending losing streak. I'd say getting swept by the Twins and Tigers at home was the exclamation point on this season. KW took a chance with Manny, and it didn't pan out. The Sox were only 4.5 games out when he was acquired, but I don't think many of us thought that acquring Manny alone would push the team to the playoffs. Remember that the Sox had a 7 game winning streak right after he was acquired. Granted he didn't really do anything during that time except watch a couple game-winning home runs from the on-deck circle. Then the team just fell apart...mainly the starting pitching.

QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Sep 20, 2010 -> 02:46 PM) DH What are your thoughts on the direction of this team? A agree with most of what you laid out. Konerko re-signing would solve one big problem, that being 1B. As far as a DH, I can't see a big money name being plugged in there (Dunn, Fielder). I'd be okay with Matsui or even Manny. I can definitely see AJ re-signing, unless the Sox go after VMart, which I would no problem with. Money will be the big issue, as it often is, during this off season. Unless some trades are made to free up money (and you have to wonder who would be traded), there won't be more than one big signing. Keeping my fingers crossed that Konerko re-signs, my biggest concerns are DH and RF. The DH spot may be easier to fill. I don't really want to see Quentin out in RF again. I'd trade his power for a decent fielder and hit for average kind of guy. I just perused the list of 2011 free agent RFers, and there's not much there. I would expect Minnesota to exercise the option on Kubel (although he'd he a nice addition), and KC may exercise the option on DeJesus. Knowing this team, I imagine a move or two will be made that no one expected. Let's hope that whatever happens, it works out better than this year.