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QUOTE(beautox @ Jun 19, 2006 -> 02:59 PM) cold blooded. Most moronic? come on pablo starting in LF is pretty bad. Eh...

QUOTE(beautox @ Jun 1, 2006 -> 02:16 PM) What do you feel is the most pressing need? the bullpen? IMO i dont think it is, move McCarthy into Cliff's role and then Bam!, McCarthy gets more work and has better stuff and we fix the issue of the bullpen in one quick move. i truly think Cliff makes the bullpen look that bad. Thank God they got Riske and put that idea to rest.

That's 2 years from now! Why oh why?

QUOTE(Dam8610 @ Jun 19, 2006 -> 12:47 AM) I know Garland isn't 35, but he's already had 6 seasons in the bigs, so pretty much what you see is what you get at this point IMO. I'm not "giving Garland the short end because he blew chunks for 2 months" either. I simply look at his career stats, seeing several years of 4+ ERA, and see an incredibly mediocre pitcher. IF he could get his ERA under 4, then he'd show that last year wasn't a fluke. However, at this point, I'm inclined to think it is (after all, he regressed back to his career averages after the 8-0 start in 2005). Madson, on the other hand, as you said, still has a TON of upside, not to mention he's proven his abilities as a reliever. It just seems like a dumb trade on Philadelphia's end IMO. A pitcher can't get the beifit of the doubt after throwing well into October? How about a dead arm period? Not to mention KW is more partial to pitchers like Garland than he is Madson. As far as anyone is concerned, you know what you'll get from Garland and maybe its 18 wins...with Madson, all you get is a big maybe.

QUOTE(SoxAce @ Jun 19, 2006 -> 12:27 AM) I still don't believe they knew how much of a loss Coco Crisp was. He really got them going in that lead-off spot. Nothing against Micheals (or even Sizemore leading off) but that was a HUGE lost. Crisp-Sizemore-Blake would have killed us (and every other AL team) defensively. Cleveland had a terrible offseason.

QUOTE(Dam8610 @ Jun 19, 2006 -> 12:30 AM) Garland has proven that, other than one year, he can toss about 200 innings as an average pitcher. Madson has proven that he can be a good-great reliever and has tremendous potential. Madson hasn't shown what he's capable of as a starter yet, Garland has, and it's nothing great. In fact, I'd say it's amazingly mediocre. It's not like Garland is 35. And it's starting to look like he's coming around the corner anyway. Not to mention NL pitchers have it easier, not pitching to a DH. Madsen has a big upside, but I think people give Garland the short end because he blew chunks for 2 months. Will you be saying the same if Garland gets that ERA under 4?

QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ Jun 19, 2006 -> 12:16 AM) Nobody could've foreseen the Indians' pitching being this atrocious. I knew it wouldn't be as good as it was last year, but this has been ridiculous. Exit Millwood, exit balance. I can't see how Cleveland didn't see that coming.

QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ Jun 19, 2006 -> 12:09 AM) No chance in hell of the Twins winning 90 games. It's not that far fetched. Mauer is hitting .380, Luis Castillo was a HUGE addition to that offense and Brad Radke is better than a 5.50+ ERA pitcher. Santana, Liriano and a righted Radke isn't exactly bad, good enough to keep them in contention. I think they lack the offensive power to take the division over, but I don't think they are as light as they were last season. Add a bullpen arm to that team and 90 wins seems pretty reasonable to me.

QUOTE(beck72 @ Jun 18, 2006 -> 10:04 PM) Garland would be kept where he is in the rotation [though I think he'll be moved in the offseason]. This trade would be for this year and Madson would return to the bullpen where he's had a lot of success. Am I the only one who doubts Garland will be moved in the off-season? Let's say he pitches the second half lights out as he did all year last year...do the Sox move him then? QUOTE(Dam8610 @ Jun 18, 2006 -> 10:08 PM) Trading Garland for Madson is a great idea for the Sox. Unfortunately, it's also a horrible idea for the Phillies. How do you figure? Garland is a proven major league pitcher who can toss 200 innings. Madson has proved?

QUOTE(SABR Sox @ Jun 17, 2006 -> 10:36 PM) ESPECIALLY is they key word. Even if his bat continues to hit lightly, his contract is still worth his production. Especially is just an adverb. All it does it make IF look fancy.

QUOTE(SoxAce @ Jun 17, 2006 -> 11:14 PM) A very streaky hitter no doubt. Could hit like .400 in a month and then the next hit like .100. That's one negative that I would like him to at least work at. He'll get on it, coach.

QUOTE(NUKE_CLEVELAND @ Jun 17, 2006 -> 08:39 PM) That's asking a lot from him. Hopefully he can build on his last outing and give us a chance to win tomorrow. A sweep would be really nice going into a tough series at St. Louis. Well, they play the games for a reason. You just never know.

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QUOTE(SABR Sox @ Jun 16, 2006 -> 07:11 PM) 4.9 million isn't much for his prodcution, ESPECIALLY if he reverts to 2004 form. IF. Until then, burn this thread down.

I'll take Jered.

QUOTE(Capn12 @ Jun 16, 2006 -> 08:40 PM) Eh...you guys can stop before you even get started with the personal insults, questioning each others intellect. Thats something we DON'T deal with kindly. I apologize. No hard feelings Maverick, need a wingman?

QUOTE(Maverick0984 @ Jun 16, 2006 -> 08:25 PM) my "post count" has nothing to do with it...if you want to hear me quote classic Sox moments from years ago, then i'll do it. when i see, so called "fans" bashing players who've had a bad 2-3 weeks, those are bandwagon fans. REAL fans, love their team when they are losing too.... post edit: i'll repeat myself for emphasis, i don't know you or your standing in this forum, but if you honestly are basing my loyalty and that of 7 posts, you my friend, are an idiot. You joined today at 6 o'clock. You obviously know NOTHING about ANYONE here, yet you have the tenacity to call us bandwagoners? Run off all the history you want, I never called you a bandwagoner, I'm calling you out for being an ignorant asshole. How have you earned the respect to call any of us bandwagoners?

QUOTE(Maverick0984 @ Jun 16, 2006 -> 08:03 PM) jeez, so many bandwagoners. what did i get myself into. Quite a statement from somebody with only 7 posts.

QUOTE(Maverick0984 @ Jun 16, 2006 -> 07:40 PM) he started off 7-1 then had a couple bad games, give him a break. Buerhle's had a few similar back to back starts of mediocracy and then came back yesterday and pitched a gem. he's human...2 bad starts erases 7 good ones? if someone has to be talked about getting "let go" it would be leaning towards Garland. Although he had a solid outting last time out. Three L's in a row and a no decision.

QUOTE(Nokona @ Jun 16, 2006 -> 07:11 PM) Settle down man. It's gonna take more than the last 5 gaems to see if BA has truly figured it out. True, but it's nice to see. He's showing a lot of life.

Including today, he's given up 11 home runs in his last 5 starts. He's seen his ERA jump from 4.30 to 5.13. I don't know why he throws 89-90 MPH after he's lived his career as a power pitcher. From what I know, it sounds just like a personal decision Freddy made. Is this true? If so, why doesn't somebody (namely Ozzie) smack him in the face and tell him to throw with the gift he has? He's not a control pitcher and it seems apparent he never will be. Furthermore, if this trend continues, should the White Sox start searching for replacements? Because frankly, a pitcher being paid 9 million bills should be able to keep a 4-0 first inning lead at 4-0.

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Jun 11, 2006 -> 06:50 PM) Cesar Izturis career: .261 average .295 OBP .338 slugging .633 OPS YUCK!!!! I'll stick with Uribe and Cintron and hope Uribe gets on one of his patented hot streaks. I don't understand why people think the Sox need SS help. Uribe might be starting that hot streak.

He can still find a DH spot somewhere in the AL.

Let's bench everyone that struggles for two weeks and then put them back in the line-up and hope their heads are pulled away from their ass. Some of these requests I just don't know about...

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Jun 15, 2006 -> 05:59 PM) The facts are that our catcher was thrown at twice, we retaliated, but for some reason we tried to do it with a pitcher that has no control, so he missed target twice before getting a groundout. Yeah Hawk, and Padilla would have kicked your ass, just like a lot of people annoyed by your homerism would like to do often times. (note: bolded part=editorializing) No control? It's not like a HUMAN BEING is a small target. You could pull people out of the stands that could bean Hank on their first try! Maybe if he walked him, but he missed beaning him TWICE and still got his ass out. That's called a half assed attempt...these are professional baseball players we're talking about. Hawk played in a different era, do you not know of it?