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Trade #1) I'm predicting Peavy gets dealt since he is the most coveted starting pitcher in the market right now going into the deadline. I also expect Crain to be dealt as well. It could in a package to AZ like beautox said. A deal centered around Owings and some pitching would make me very happy. Trade #2) I also predict the Sox to try their best to deal Alexei to St. Louis. Once we pick up Owings it makes trading Ramirez much more realistic and St. Louis really needs an upgrade at SS. Despite his down season defensively, he can still bring us back a decent prospect or two. Trade #3) The Sox trade Rios to Pittsburgh right at the deadline with cash for Polanco and one mid pitching prospect.

Don't get me wrong, I want to get the highest possible pick going into next years draft. However- I LOVE beating the stupid Tigers! Should be a fun pitching match up tonight!

QUOTE (beck72 @ Jul 21, 2013 -> 05:36 AM) It makes sense that not every team wants their interest publicized, hoping the price in terms of prospects doesn't get crazy high. The greater number of teams, the more desperate some will be to overpay. It'll be interesting to see what scouts are still around today, or for Jakes next start. I agree. I wouldn't be upset if they kept Jake. Our pitching has been the one bright spot this year. We just need to restock and reload the offense. Make some smart trades for guys like Owings and Polanco, and sign 2 free agents (granderson, moreau) and we can be back at a competitive level.

QUOTE (oldsox @ Jul 21, 2013 -> 07:48 AM) Keeping Rios in his contract year might not hurt as much as some people think. He will still have trade value in 7/2014. You may be right. However, Rios has a history of having some down years. 2009 , 2011 etc.. The time to sell rios is now. We cant afford to take that chance. His value is peaking.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 19, 2013 -> 10:30 PM) What did Toronto get for him? They got over 50 million dollars back....

Interesting information regarding Owings. http://www.faketeams.com/2013/7/8/4499500/...na-diamondbacks Apparently, there is no room for Owings on the DBack MLB roster. I can definitely see AZ using him in a major trade. I think a trade of Peavy for Owings is very possible. Even more possible than the projected Rios for Polanco rumored deal.... Stay tuned, Saturday's game will be a huge indication if Peavy is healthy or not.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 19, 2013 -> 10:52 AM) I'd love this deadline if we got Polanco and Owings from Phoenix (for Peavy) I would definitely give Hahn major props if he pulled that off and that would put us in a nice situation prospect wise moving forward.

What would be better, making a package offer of two or more of our veterans OR making separate deals with different teams for individual players? Would we have a better chance of obtaining top 20 prospects by combining vets?

QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Apr 13, 2013 -> 10:53 AM) It's a nice secondary logo for an arm patch. It's simple, no need to re-design something that's been there since (I'm not sure when, early 90s?). Way off, lol. Agreed. I liked the secondary logo on the gray away uniforms. They won the world series in that exact uniform...why mess with that?! The primary logo on the shoulder does look funny on the road uniform.

We got something for a reliever clearly on the decline and hus contract us up after this season. Jacobs is a boom or bust type prospect. . Bur imo its a risk worth taking a look at. We really have nothing exciting down in the farm OF wise anyway. I guess Thompson may continue tto progress but everyone else is doing terrible.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 12, 2013 -> 04:21 PM) That's just a REALLY difficult transition. Juan Uribe, Vizquel...they could go back and forth, Ozuna (just not SS), Eduardo Escobar, etc. But we saw what happened when they tried Teahen there (as well as in KC)....and Morel at SS/2B is the same kind of stretch. You could see Morel POSSIBLY playing 2B. But SS, no way, except as an emergency option. It would be the equivalent of Adam Dunn running the option or wishbone/flexbone for an Arena League football team. Agreed. Beckham will be our 2B for awhile and he should be. He is getting better and better offensively, no need to move him at this point. I understand the anxiety from fans for a reasonable SS replacement for Ramirez, since Hahn will likely deal him, but i'll just assume Hahn will find a prospect to fill that hole for now.

Delgado is only 23 years old. Seems like a Coop type project. I wouldn't mind him being apart of such a deal. However, they would HAVE to throw in a mid to high prospect as well. We are looking for offense so acquiring an OF/INF would be a must.

Morneau also intrigues me. If that guy can return to 75% of his old form- he can provide a nice offensive punch for this lineup.

QUOTE (Flash Tizzle @ Jul 11, 2013 -> 12:44 PM) This idea is what frightens me. Sale is exactly the ace-caliber starting pitcher you'd want anchoring your rotation -- but are we in any position to compete in 2014? 2015? If we're holding onto him, Hahn may as well do everything within his power to build the team to compete. It's useless keeping Sale for the next several years and risk depleting his value if Hahn cannot convince himself that we're in no better position to atleast win the division. Very good post. The idea of losing Sale frightens me also. I guess it simply will all depend on how long of a retooling process they would like to endure. Im assuming next year will be a developing year for the newly acquired young guys. However, if the organization decides to make a run at it in 2015, id say you have to keep him. Its tricky. If a team offers three can't miss top 50 prospects, we would be foolish not to explore that possibility.

21 days left until the deadline. So far the storm is silent...

QUOTE (PolishPrince34 @ Jul 10, 2013 -> 06:03 AM) Hopefully everybody had their top scouts watching Rios and Dunn swing the bat. Hahn needs to bring his A game these next 3 weeks to prove what type a GM he is. Yep. I have reserved all remaining judgements on the guy until after the trade deadline. Hopefully he can make some noise that can set us up nicely in a 2 to 3 years.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 9, 2013 -> 04:26 PM) You wonder if it has to do with who needs to be showcased, etc or if it is more on moves that are about to come up. Very interesting. I keep waiting for the first move to be made. 3 weeks left until the deadline. Hahn has a lot of work to do. Time to clean up this mess. TImes a ticking. ...

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 9, 2013 -> 02:51 PM) I see the Pirates organization as one trying to emulate the Rays. When have the Rays, since 2008, made a big midseason move? Pittsburgh has been saving up $$ for years, letting free agents walk year by year for the past 20+ seasons. Recently over the past 5 years or so they have been drafting really well and now their patience is FINALLY paying off. I'd say if there is ever time where the Pirates go for it and spends a little cash along the way, that time is now. What a year they are having! I actually would NOT be surprised if they make a deal for Rios. He would make an excellent addition for 1.5 seasons at a relatively expensive salary, but one they can afford nonetheless.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 9, 2013 -> 02:44 PM) The White Sox didn't have anything approximating a 5th starter that year (2003), and the Twins hit paydirt on a cheap FA deal with Kenny The Gambler Rogers. Also, that was the year we tried Koch as the closer and it was a complete disaster, along with Gordon/Marte later in the year. You are right! Dan Wright won 14 games in 2002 but tanked in 2003 in the 5th starter role. I think they let guys like Schoenweiss, Glover and Ginter attempt the 5th starter role that year. We just could not get over that Minnesota hump!

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 9, 2013 -> 09:17 AM) Well that's interesting. Guys on the board are happy Rios almost physically attacked his superior (let's not act like Williams is some unathletic punk either, considering his major league heritage, son who played professional baseball, and son who plays for the 49ers) when Williams kept the Sox extremely competitive for the better stretch of 10 years. I look at 2003, 2006, and 2010 as years where the team literally fell just short, while I look at 2005 and 2008 as years where the team broke through, and most other years the team was atleast competitive. Really, in the grand scheme of things, the Sox were probably one of the top 10 most successful franchises of the past 10-15 years. Yeah that 2003 team was very deep offensively. It was also the year Esteban Loaiza came out of nowhere to dominate 3/4ths of the season. Colon and Buerhle also had good seasons. However, Garlands inconsistencies and Loaiza being out of gas near the end was costly. But the offense in 2003 was sick! (Valentine, Everett, Maggs, Lee, Thomas, Konerko, Alomar, Olivo, Crede) That 2006 team should have made the playoffs for sure. In fact they started the season off going 53-27 and were on pace for winning 100 games. However, they finished the season 37-45 and missing the post season. A huge reason for that was the fact that the starting pitchers were out of gas from such a long post season the year before. My only issue with that 2006 squad was that they didn't give McCarthy a spot in the rotation. I am pretty sure they placed him in the bullpen that year? I didn't think the trade for Vazquez was necessary. You could have had a rotation of Contreras, Buerhle, Garcia, Garland and BMac while using El-Duque in the long relief role. I didn't have an issue with the Rowand for Thome deal. It made sense at the time- Anderson needed a chance to prove himself and getting a lefty DH with pure power made sense. I'd say the White Sox had their most successful decade from 2000-2009. Three division titles, one world championship and two really good teams that just missed the playoffs. So far this decade has been kind of rough with the exception of last season. 2010- 88-74 (Missed post season by 6 games- Ozzie's last respectable season) 2011- 79-83 (Drama off the field led to a team that was supposed to be 'All In' out of the postseason. The End Ozzie's Regime) 2012- 85-77 (Welcome Robin Ventura, spend over 100 days in 1st place, but came up short after a September collapse) 2013- 34-52* (One of the worst Sox teams to date, team in desperate need for change/ new players/ manager) I'd say KW was pretty darn successful. Yes he had some down seasons, but more winning teams than losing teams and you knew one thing, he was always out looking for ways to improve the club in attempt to make the playoffs each season.

QUOTE (ROC Sox Fan @ Jul 8, 2013 -> 03:17 PM) Had a great time at the games I went to. The Upper Deck had a wave going for a good inning near the end of the game, which was pretty fun after a few drinks. Couldn't find Big Hurt Beer, found out on the 4th that they no longer sell it in the stadium after searching the lower deck and being directed to the outfield where an employee gave me the unfortunate news. I had some beer from one of those fancy vendors that recommend mixing flavors and had the Honey Bear which was honey beer and berry beer and man oh man was that good. My girlfriend was impressed with the stadium photographer's picture of us and I was happy with the $1 hot dogs that came through the section a few times. It was also nice that you could scan outside near Gate 5 (I think) and smoke and scan back in. Can't do that a lot of places out east. Overall, I loved the experience. Good to hear! I always love going to ball games at the Cell. The tail gating experience with friends and family before each game is great. Once you enter the ballpark, you get the wonderful whiff of the grilled onions from the amazing dogs and brats. The lower deck concourse has amazing food! However, I have found out this year that the 300 level has the best darn food in the park! Its a hidden gem. They have amazing nachos, premium beer, amazing deserts (ice cream nachos!) and wonderful service. I guess thats why it is designated for season ticket holders In all seriousness, I have never had a bad time there. Between fireworks, food and good quality baseball Sox park is a home away from home for me. If I can have one wish in sports before I die (hopefully not for another 70 years!!) would be to see another World Series Championship banner raised at Sox park. Seeing 2 White Sox championships in this lifetime would be more than satisfying. As of right now, we are very far away from my wish... lets establish a new direction and philosophy. Lets build something special from the ground up! Start making trades Hahn!!!!!!

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 8, 2013 -> 12:29 PM) When you have decided to trade your players are bad enough that you need to trade them away and let the others walk via free agency, that means you no longer hold your manager accountable for the losing. That means it is the fault of the players. I'm not so sure Ventura will be back next year either....

The Cubs already won the crosstown cup... this game is for both teams to showcase their players. Let the Fire sale begin. Time to move in a new direction...

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jul 8, 2013 -> 09:20 AM) Always be willing to eat salary if it gets you better talent in return. You aren't adding to your payroll at all in 2013 and probably not very much in 2014 so there's not much point in saving money for those two years. Now if somebody is interested in Danks or Ramirez then I'm a little more hesitant to eat any of their money in 2015-16. Being willing to eat salary also brings more teams into the bidding. Agreed. Good post.

Luckily Rios will likely be the best defensive outfielder on the block this year. That will keep his value somewhat reasonable. However, if we want a cant miss prospect in return, he needs to start hitting the crap out of the ball very soon. I would hate to waiste this chance to rid of that salary/ get a solid return. If Hahn continues to sit on his hands, we may keep him after all and that would be what I call a waisted golden opportunity to move foward.