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I can't tell if this is supposed to be sarcastic or not. If so, then well done. If not....well, Go Sox!

QUOTE(29thandPoplar @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 02:29 AM) A note on Craig Wilson, another 3 striekouts today, he whiffs like crazy. I'm sure you don't want to hear another negative thing from me, but an Atlanta Braves scout was talking with my "source" a few weeks ago, and he was raving about how bad Craig Wilson is. He said he should never play another game in the majors, and that he's playing at about A level baseball right now.

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 02:23 AM) I could see us having Dye or Hunter, but not both. I was close to putting Sweeney in instead of Dye....but that would just be too pathetic of an outfield.

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 02:20 AM) I bet that is what is happening. You knew Tomas was coming as soon as we signed him, Ozzie can't resist. It would be another move that would just endear Ozzie to the likes of Fields, Anderson, etc.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 02:09 AM) Your predicted roster comes out to about $97.5M not including any bench players, so you're talking at least a $100M payroll next season. I think we'll have a big payroll next year due to season ticket sales from this season. However, it's the 2008 attendance where we'll see season tix sales go down.

If we sent down Gonzalez to call up Perez....I quit!

Maybe we can have Brian Anderson pitch. He was a pitcher in college.

QUOTE(Heads22 @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 02:06 AM) AGon showed up on Charlotte's roster. BA didn't play today for Charlotte. Any connection? I noticed that...but neither did Fields as well.

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 02:03 AM) We won't spend to keep Dye and Hunter with the attendance drop we have the 2nd half IMO, I'd rather see Egbert in the pen than Donnelly, and Figgins and Erstad in the same lineup will make me hurl. It's still too early for me to even come up with something like that, but I can see most of that happening. We're going to be opening up a lot of payroll though with Buehrle and Iguchi leaving, and Crede's money opening up. Even if our payroll goes down, we should still have some money available. If we lose all of our FA, and still don't have money.....then that's just pathetic. QUOTE(TheOcho @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 02:03 AM) Is this what you want or what you think will happ'n? Think, not want. It's just for fun of course.

Robles sounds like another 90 mph fastball type guy....pass QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 02:00 AM) Yeah MIF help is the #1 concern right now by about a mile, but this isn't the greatest draft to try and find help there. There are a lot of directions we could head with this pick, a lot depends on what everybody before us does. Frazier seems like he could be a good fit, but does he project to be a light hitting middle infielder?

With everyone throwing around crazy trade ideas and scenarios, I thought it would be interesting to see what everyone thinks what our team will look like next year: I'll go first 1b- Konerko 2b- Figgins ss- Uribe 3b- Fields c- AJP lf- Erstad cf- Hunter rf- Dye dh- Thome sp- garland sp- vazquez sp- contreras sp- danks sp- gio gonzalez relievers: jenks, thornton, aardsma, logan, russell, donnelly

Can we move down Russell after today?

QUOTE(caulfield12 @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 01:50 AM) But isn't it all part of his "reckless" style of play that contributes to those type of injuries occuring? I don't think any Sox fan is shocked when they see Rowand is injured yet again, any more than Cubs fans are with Prior or Wood. Was Rowand ever on the DL with the Sox?

Why has Burgess fallen so far? If he's still around, I have no problem taking a high ceiling pick with a possible 40 homer a year outfielder.

QUOTE(caulfield12 @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 01:39 AM) But having AJ as our only lefty with any power, an injured Rowand and a 5-7 games over .500 record for April and May with Thomas instead of Thome, I don't think that Thomas' second half surge would have been enough alone to reverse 8 games under .500 to, let's say 20 games OVER .500, if you're willing to make the assumption that Thomas versus Thome in the first two months would have been a huge difference with the way the season played out. But we'll never know. And we still would have been without a CF when Rowand went down, which was just as likely to happen here as in Philly, just like man suspected Pods and Erstad, for instance, to go down. Rowand got injured on a collision....not exactly the same type of injury frequency as Pods pulling a groin, etc.

QUOTE(Soxfest @ Jun 2, 2007 -> 10:15 PM) Rock getting divorced? Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson and wife Dany Garcia Johnson announced to "People Magazine" that they are separating. The following is the statement both released to the media: "While certain aspects of our relationship have changed, we are both vitally important to each other's lives. We will continue to advance and manage our business interests, our philanthropic efforts, and most importantly, the raising of our child together as a loving team. We've been fortunate enough to spend the last 17 years together as a couple and look forward to spending the rest of our lives together as best friends and business partners." I wonder what celebrity he'll start dating just in time for his movie to come out (and boy, does the preview look awful).

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 01:15 AM) Could that be a conditioning problem? Ozzie makes it a point to play all of the bench guys during the first months in order to save the regulars for the stretch run. Could it be that the players are not properly conditioned during the off season? This would also explain the loss of velocity for the pitchers the last couple years. Who is our strength and conditioning coach? Torborg's son? Like you and I have been saying too much lately, who knows. There has to be serious changes made in this organization, as the core group of guys that we've had make us an above .500 team for the last 5 years or so is going to get broken up after this year. The thing is, the AL Central is going to be an amazing division for the next 3 years or so. I don't know if we'll be able to compete for the division crown even if we do make changes.

QUOTE(caulfield12 @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 01:06 AM) So if we had Rowand, Perez, Blum, El Duque, Thomas, Everett, Harris, Vizcaino and Marte, we would have won in 2006? I don't think so. It's hard to tell....Thomas ended up having a fairly equal season to Thome. Our CF position was a disaster, so Rowand would have helped that. Rowand isn't great, but he's better than what we had last year. McCarthy very easily could have put up better numbers than Vazquez, especially given the run support that Vazquez received.

QUOTE(diegotony06 @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 12:32 AM) What's your point?? I take it as they are a better team. The Twins get players to come up and help them as the season goes on. Meanwhile, our core players always seem to tire, and then you get the dreaded "corpseball" efforts late in the season. Also, it helps when you can guarantee you'll win at least one game in a series against the Sox when you can put Santana on the mound.

QUOTE(diegotony06 @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 12:29 AM) But our offense played more smallball in the first half of 2005. Pods would get on, steal 2nd, Iguchi would get him over, and then we would drive him in. If I remeber correctly, KW and Ozzie said it themselves that they put that team together based on the TWINS. They said that more than once all throughtout the year in 2005. As for not wanting to have 5 piranhas in our lineup, welp, those pirahnas took it to us in that last series in Minnesota. I'd rather have couple piranhas than what we have now in Uribe, Crede. Exactly, we could play to only score one or two runs, and we'd still have a chance to win thanks to our pitching. However, it's not realistic to have a situation where half the pitchers have career years. And look at the numbers of those "piranhas". They suck! Maybe it's just because we don't pitch them or shade them the right way, but other teams are getting them out at a huge rate.

QUOTE(diegotony06 @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 12:19 AM) That's even more emabarssing. We spend 100 milion on a team and a team that doesnt come close to what we spend wins the division 5 out of 6 years. The reason Minnesota wins every year is because they are fundamentally a better club than we are year in and year out. Pitching, defense, situational hitting eberything they do an a ballfield is superior to what we do, except of course THE LONG BALL!! They develop players that play the game right and play the game hard. Like I said, they won the division 5 out of 6 years, they gotta be doing something right. They don't fade during the last two months of the season the way we have in about 4 of those 6 years.

QUOTE(diegotony06 @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 12:10 AM) Like I said, of course we need homerun hitters, but not every f***ing player in the lineup swinging from their heals. We played smallball in the first half of 2005 and look how good we did, and I think we stillplayed in the same park as we do now?? Yep I checked we still do!! We had unbelievable pitching during the first few months of 2005. Our offense was horrible to start the year. Also, if I recall correctly, it was colder than normal for a longer period, which made the park less lively. We're a high payroll team.....we don't need to be worried about having 5 piranhas in our lineup.

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 12:08 AM) I don't know how true that David Ortiz stuff is. If that is the case then why has Morneau and Mauer shown good power? David Ortiz was very inconsistent and very injury prone while with the Twins. There was an article in SI last year about how the Twins organization stressed to Ortiz to always try to get the runner over, etc., and that they discouraged him from basically swinging for the fences. It was a pretty fascinating article.

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 12:05 AM) We need homerun hitters. We just don't need everyone trying to blast forty when they're not capable and we need guys with wheels. We need guys who can hit over 20 homers and still have good enough speed to steal 15 bases and be able to score from 2nd on a single. You know....guys like Chris Young.

QUOTE(diegotony06 @ Jun 3, 2007 -> 11:58 PM) The whole orginazation needs to be restructured, from A ball to the big leagues. The whole philosiphy needs to be changed and geared more toward like the Twins. We have been a homerun or nothing franchise for too long now. We need to structure our teams like the Minnesota. Starting pitching, relief pitching, defense and slap hitters and bunting. Sure you need homeruns, but not to the point where it's homerum or nothing. You have to be able to score whether you hit homeruns or not. The Twins have won the Central 5 out of the last 6 years. We need to follow what they are doing they gotta be doing something right. Yep, let's play smallball while we play in a launching pad. We can keep giving up outs with bunts in the first inning, and then the opposition will get that one run back by hitting the next pitch of the inning for a home run. The Twins are the same organization that made a terrific power hitter, David Ortiz, be a slap hitter.