BamaDoc

Odorizzi is a fly ball pitcher. Gives up less hr/fb than average. Only pitched one game at the Rate 6ip 5h 2 r 2w 8k, probably benefitted pitching to our lineup! Wood would depend on medicals. May be toast may be ok. When he last pitched he was hurt and ineffective. 11 HRs last 35 IP. I would rather 1-2 million base and incentives if you want to roll the dice but I wouldn't guarantee more.

I thought about Wood because he is left handed. When I saw back injury and shut down in August with a ERA over 6 in August, I lost interest. With our guys coming back from injury, I think you need guys you can count on. If he comes on a minors deal with invite ok but I think he is a total wild card thus doesn't fill any hole because I can't count on him.

Honest question? Wheeler 180 innings at 20 million per year, lose draft pick and pool money, last two years WAR total 7.4 vs Odorizzi and another starter (Nova Level) , 350 innings , 25 million cost, keep pick, last two years combined WAR 8.4

Okay respect your opinion. Mine just different and I wish to hold guys for another year and hope some develop into cheap home grown players. I guess I could see putting a couple together and getting one higher rated player to help with roster issues but doubt other teams are that excited to do that kind of deal. Sheets doesn't require 40 man and if he improves and goes to Charlotte he could but up much better numbers and really improve value. If any non Robert outfielder could progress to .750 OPS eventually at MLB level and all have decent gloves that is a 3 WAR player and not without value. I just don't know which one that might be yet and don't want to miss.

Yeah Moose isn't taking a paycut and becoming a part time player. I think he stays in Milwaukee and they add a year or two to his deal.

I don't know, I think Maddon is to old to play RF! LOL

Here would be a real possibility, McCann reverts to previous form. Collins gets early year experience maybe starting in Charlotte catching Kopech, Dunning, and Lambert. He comes up mid season and the bat gets him additional work at DH/1B. Grandal has a year learning/ developing rapport with staff. 2021, Collins could be #2 if you don't bring McCann back or use the three headed monster at multiple positions. Depends on if Collins glove/defense allows him to be a 2 vs 3. Collins splits in minors significant. .224/.327/.447 .774 ops vs lefties (which I would be fine with) but he crushed righties to .306/.433/.589 1.022ops ! In majors in obviously small size had a nearly .400 ops split difference.

One advantage to what I proposed is it doesn't force/require Collins to be anything next year. If he needs more time in AAA to develop as a catcher fine. If you have Grandal as a primary, your secondary catcher, who should still catch 40-60 games can be a lefty or righty. If Collins bat plays now you can still get him catching work on days he DHs or plays first and still get him 20-40 catching. Catching is also a strenuous position and while Grandal has been relatively injury free, several teams were significantly hurt when their primary catcher went down. This allows resting and injury protection at a major position with a youngish pitching staff.

I will reiterate, with the change in rule that relievers pitch to three batters or end an inning, LOOGYs may disappear. Bummer has no such split problems making him even more valuable. Who is our other best lefty? Osich was good on lefties .551 OPS righties .903.

Agree with you, coming around on a Holt Leury bench which covers about everything but catcher which the Grandal/McCann possibly Collins covers leaving either Collins plus one for bench or if Collins isn't hitting or traded, two openings. In late innings hard to pinch hit if your guys are all defensive specialists.

I will toss out for a injured guy, on incentive deal, depending on medicals Lonnie Chisenhall. For a one year wonder vet, who supposedly made changes this year, Cameron Maybin. Both left handed outfielders who I could see the gamble if we strike out on a few better options for RF.

Is he over his back issues? From what I see he missed a month or two, came back in August for six starts and was shut down with a ERA over 6 in August. How much you gamble? If we had a healthy rotation, I see the gamble but I think you need guys you can count on out of the gates.

Holt and Leury would give a pretty good amount of positional versatility. Against most peoples perception, Yolmer out WARs Holt most years but I would probably do who fits economically . Sign Holt, Get something for Yolmer in trade? Or maybe we get Yolmers bat where it was a couple years back. His power at 25 way better than now.

Please go back and look at the second half splits on those guys. Several were young for league and fine in second half. Sheets had more homers than previously in career in a tougher park. At 23 had a .855 ops in the second half and you wish to give up on him? Basabe has a wrist injury. We saw how it affected Robert 0 hr to 32, and Madrigal . Rutherford 22yo .600 ops first half .758 second half. Adolpho hurt. Burdi previously 100 mph, sucked but I give one more year, risk/reward. With 26 man roster you could hide a player a lot easier than 25. Come on I have seen your posts, you are better than that.

About right which is why I might like to see some dealt if possible or 2:1 , 3:2 deals. As long as you move some for guys who don't require protection.

I think I would prefer Holt to Gennett . What were Gennett's injuries -.7 WAR and OPS+ of 47 don't inspire me and previously glove negated much of bat. Might give a minor league invite. Holt has more positional versatility and coming off much better year.

If you add a switch hitter Grandal and a lefty hitting RF Gardner that is two mainly left handed hitters to our line up with much better plate discipline. It would allow you to rotate at dh to rest people or by performance but more importantly who ever dh's has earned it unlike this year. Heck if Collins hits he is one of C/1b/dh vs RHP (terrible # vs LHP) so would Grandal. It just opens up so many more options. Right now with a young pitching staff I don't think Collins is ready to be a #2 catcher. Without Grandal, if McCann hits like the second half or the rest of his career and Collins struggles , you return to a offensive hole in your lineup. Again those two just make a lot of sense.

Preach on Brother! +1 to ya

I think the trend is younger, analytical, and cheaper in managers though I think Maddon will have a job. Not sure he gets 6 million again. How ironic if Ricky loses job for Maddon twice. I am not a super close observer but not crazy about Maddon's use of pitchers. Seems to have a lot of injuries and he damn near killed Chapman. I figure he wouldn't cede control of pitchers to Coop like some think Ventura/Renteria did.

People keep talking about Wacha but he may never pitch again.

Pretty close to what I was thinking. I think Jose will get more $. I didn't have Wheeler but at that rate I might consider it. I thought about Nimmo but worry about prospect cost. If we could do it cheaply ok but why I went with Gardner because I like his OBP more than Calhouns ks but better slugging. I think we have to many ks. Wood and his back injury scare me on anything but an incentive laden deal but again I want to count on the free agents, heck for a few dollars more I would think about bringing back Nova. Good job!

I agree with you on the extension being mandatory but if you get the extension done, Boston will want a lot more.

If you look at our teams deficiencies as I outlined at the beginning and in the season review thread, Grandal hits the areas of terrible plate discipline and adds LH hitting as he switch hits. He is going to give you a bat 15-20% better than league average and way better than average catcher. He also has a career OBP of nearly .350 and is at .380 this year. I hope this indicates opposing pitchers working a lot harder and if his approach rubs off on some of our players, even better. I expect McCann to regress but I keep him for your reasons.

With Coop, we might be the only team who might do that since he likes starting pitchers going deeper. League wide trends have starters going less and less innings necessitating more relievers. It would also require a manager mixing and matching because if those guys just sit on the bench another reliever may provide more value. Maybe free Yermin!

Thanks, I researched a long time prior to posting my realistic plan thread. I can't swear on it but in the 40 plus pages on the RF thread not sure anyone mentioned Gardner. Heck if you want an injury returning flyer Lonnie Chisenhall or one year wonder Cameron Maybin might have risk/reward appeal if cheap enough but again I don't want to miss on free agents since we need them to hit to contend. Why I considered consistency, health, OBP, and LH in my plan.