BamaDoc

Excellent start for Adams 7 ip 1 run

Why is he out there?

You need to protect the best assets whether arms or position players. I had hoped those with more knowledge of our system would bring forth players on the bubble that we might better understand off season player movement. If the 40 is full, a draftable player may be included in a trade because you feel you may lose him anyway. Or it might explain multi player trades where you give up 3 for 2 if you feel your 40 man is tight. In the past with a weaker farm system this was less of an issue. Now as our farm system appears deeper, you want to protect the right people. It would be good in the mid season or end of season prospect lists to include if on the 40 man and if not what year must they be protected by in order to not be drafted.

,I could see a guy like Peter Tago who is 23, former first rounder, mid nineties fastball who looks like the light has come on in our organization. Now AA relieving his walk rate is about half his career rate and k rate over 10. If I was another org I would pay 50k to bring him to spring training and maybe stash in the back of a bullpen for a year if he isn't protected. If it works you get a cheap arm for years, if not small cash loss.

A player with a MLB contract must be protected or released. If money is owed he gets it which is why certain players owed large sums are relatively safe.

Selection eligibility[edit] Players are eligible for selection in the Rule 5 draft who are not on their major league organization's 40-man roster and: – were 18 or younger on the June 5 preceding their signing and this is the fifth Rule 5 draft upcoming; or – were 19 or older on the June 5 preceding their signing and this is fourth Rule 5 draft upcoming. These exemption periods (one year longer than those in effect previously) went into effect as part of a new Collective Bargaining Agreement in October 2006. The change took effect immediately, exempting many players from the 2006 Rule 5 draft even though they had been signed in some cases more than four years before the new agreement came into effect. Prior to the rule change, players were exempt from the first two or three Rule 5 drafts held after their signing (regardless of the year they were drafted), rather than from the first three or four Rule 5 drafts after their signing. Sorry hope this helps We draft a lot of college players so a lot of guys with three/four years service are eligible if not on 40 man. Other team gets them for 50k and must keep on ML roster all year or offer back to original team/work out trade. This was how we got Nieto who I would not protect.

QUOTE (LDF @ Aug 23, 2015 -> 09:07 PM) i really thought some might have posted here. but oh well. i will start with this. Dan Jennings Pitcher - protect Jake Petricka Pitcher - protect Jeff Samardzija Pitcher - free agent / do not protect David Robertson Pitcher - protect Jose Quintana Pitcher - protect Carlos Rodon Pitcher - protect Zach Putnam Pitcher - protect Chris Sale Pitcher - protect Matt Albers Pitcher - protect John Danks Pitcher with his contract / do not protect Zach Duke Pitcher - protect Tyler Saladino - protect Trayce Thompson - protect Adam Eaton - protect Carlos Sanchez - protect J.B. Shuck - protect Jose Abreu - protect Avisail Garcia - protect Adam LaRoche with his contract / do not protect Gordon Beckham - do not protect, unless the fo needs him. Alexei Ramirez - protect Geovany Soto do not protect ////// undecided Melky Cabrera --protect Tyler Flowers - protect Frankie Montas Pitcher - protect Michael Ynoa Pitcher - protect Junior Guerra Pitcher - protect Chris Beck Pitcher - protect Scott Carroll Pitcher do not protect Erik Johnson Pitcher - protect Daniel Webb Pitcher - protect Kevan Smith do not protect Matt Davidson do not protect Leury Garcia - protect Adrian Nieto - protect Rob Brantly - protect Micah Johnson - protect going in, the sox has 38 players protected, with this new tally per my opinion i have added 8 more that i would not protect. the reason being, the young players that need to be added to the 40 man roster. The problem is if you drop Danks or LaRoche etc you owe them their money and get nothing for them.

As the minor league seasons are winding down are there are always players on the bubble to be added or dropped from the 40 man roster and thus subject to be drafted by other teams. Who are some of the players on the bubble and what would you do? I noticed Drabek was not on the 40 nor Zach Phillips. I could see teams take them. I think Peter Tago could peek interest. Guys on in danger Ynoa, Nieto, Guerra for starters. What are your thoughts on who you would or wouldn't want to expose?

I have seen many people discuss the value of a first round comp pick(myself included) for Smardzija. While perusing box scores and stats I realized Keenyan Walker and Keon Barnum where both sandwich/comp picks. Ouch! Also made me realize we had spent some higher picks on position players, they just haven't worked out as well as we hoped. Not slamming either player. I did have an additional question/hypothetical, if Smardzija accepted the one year qualifying offer and then left after rebuilding his value would we still be entitled to a comp pick?

Hope the light has gone on for Rodon. 31 pitches thru three. I get so tired looking at pitch counts and by the fifth or sixth inning our starter has 20 more pitches thrown. Nice to see the other way around.

Like it or not our team follows some degree of a budget. If Smardja leaves 10 million available. A big key will be Alexi. If he will take a cut or can be replaced up to another ten million. So potentially, 20 million available. After 2016 LaRoche and Danks contracts done so another 29 million available. What you really need is for Fulmer to be ready/decent by 2017. Rodon needs to improve. Johnson/Drabek/Montas or other young player needs to move into rotation in 2016 and be 4 or 5. Really need two to come along for depth. Anderson needs to pan out. I would not be opposed to a platoon or two to get good performance at less dollar. Maybe one big FA. Cost controlled pitching is our biggest advantage and should not be be blown up unless the trade is for proven young controlled talent in a trade we clearly win. Can't see somebody doing that so the ability to have pitching that gives you a chance to win everyday matters. Old saying "Momentum only as good as tomorrows pitcher"

If anything Toronto screwed up by not getting anything for him Fri before the deadline passed. I would bet a bunch of teams would have given something more than the nothing he just got. It was not clear he was going to be the one waived as he was having a good year. Their GM should have called especially someone like us who it is apparent could use a guy that hits LH. If they did call us, we had to guess he would not pass thru, maybe couldn't agree on price but Tor couldn't get less than they did.

Thompson not in lineup

I looked at Eithier. Better contract but didn't see Danks fitting Dodgers as well. Eithier has pronounced splits like LaRoche and shouldn't bat vs lefties so without two platoon partners one probably plays vs lefties and I killed it because of that.

Apologies to those who already saw this in the trade deadline deals. We are now in the waiver period where teams can block waivers/trades at the risk of being given contracts outright. Normally, low value or high priced people(bad contracts) can get through. Once through waivers, trades can be worked out as long as the traded players have also cleared waivers or are not on the 40 man roster. Typically, role player goes for couple A ballers who prob won't pan out. My deal still works if we feel we can go for it but I was not willing to give up any prospect of value. I thought SD had to sell or will have to with losses as well as we wouldn't if we lose 5 in a row. This is dollars Matt Kemp no particular R/L splits 30 yrs old , cooling off but OPS.987 last mos to RF. Avi platoons with LaRoche and Avi can sub in if wakes up. John Danks to SD. Big ballpark favors his pitching and he had sub 3.00 ERA vs NL. E Johnson comes up and replaces Danks. Our reasoning, add a bat and possible Johnson out performs Danks. SD reasoning Kemp owed 87 million after this year over 4 yrs. Dodgers paying 3.75 per or 14 million….73 remain …..Danks just short of 16…57 remain over four years or about 14.25 per. After 2016, LaRoche contract up Kemp could DH. Make no mistake, I think Kemps last couple years might not be pretty so the fight is over what SD kicks in in salary relief. If you get Dodgers money and SD kicks in 2 the first two years and 4-5 the next two maybe it works.

QUOTE (BigFinn @ Aug 1, 2015 -> 06:51 PM) It's like waivers with the exception that the player can choose to be assigned to a minor league team rather than leave his current organization. I think there is a 72 hour window for the player to accept the assignment, otherwise the player is waived. Valencia might not clear waivers, but if he did, the Sox could pick him up for league minimum. If you claim him you get his contract. Since it would be prorated of 1.6 mill maybe 6-700 vs prorated minimum ONLY if he clears waivers. I would just claim him to prevent someone with a better record getting him. If he clears, he chooses and would likely pick the better team/offer if you are doing the minimum.

We saw last week, when he was on the bench, he looked distraught. Maybe this helps him clear his head and get back to having fun playing a game and not trying to hard. Since we made no addition, him rising towards his career averages would be like acquiring the bat we wanted. Melky did it now we need him to do so.

I am disappointed we did not find something of value in buying or selling. Seeing what some contending teams bought, I question our ability to win but I think I would have been more angry to see prospects go. I could only imagine giving up a prospect to a team who plays us every year and our rental doesn't get us over the top. I would be so pissed every time I saw that guy and was reminded of the failure to keep him.

If Avi swings at anything not facing a knuckleballer probably a good idea………..sorry LaRoche

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 30, 2015 -> 05:06 PM) I like the thinking to get someone on the cheap...but his OPS is a miserly .713 and his D is pretty bad these days. I saw a suggestion for a flip of Ethier + cash for Danks. Same kind of deal (Ethier having a better year, but been bad since June). Kemp raking right now(OPS>1.0 last 28 days) while Eithier not and Either has a .568 OPS vs LHP. I preferred Eithier's contract but did not want to get into a need to platoon.

San Diego looking to save some money. Kemp plus cash (LAD paying 3+ per year) SD pays additional 8 mill in 2017 and 18 and takes Danks. Danks due 15 million plus next year makes up difference for rest of this year and 2016. Danks could succeed in that ball park. Kemp doesn't really have split differential plays right. Avi platoons at dh with La Roche. Johnson comes up from AAA to take Danks spot. We don't lose any prospects and last years of Kemp may not be pretty but if our cost is 10 per not bad. Last couple years could even be lhp dh after LaRoche gone

They also have Tulo for five or sixth option year and owe him 98 or 109 million after this year. He's 30.

i would have started inning with jennings. Glad for outs

Hey look at the gasoline can on the mound

hoping for HBP