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Schwarber, Soler, Baez, Almora, P Johnson for Q, Eaton and Melky. HAHA Cubbies

I don't post often, but I read at least daily. Thanks for what y'all do and for having a place where we can come and exchange info and ideas in a relatively civil manner.

QUOTE (beautox @ Dec 4, 2015 -> 12:43 AM) Dietrich is a butcher in the field; worse than Micah. Hoping if he stays at one position he can improve. could also pull late if that bad.

Derek Dietrich marlins. 25 years old LH .256/.346/.456/.802 Hoping to come up with the right package for him and Ozuna. They want pitching.

Could you get Moran and Fisher and a lower pitching prospect?

Just because other teams have given sh***y contracts to other players does not obligate us to do the same. Not picking at anyone but it seems like some people who criticize Melkys three year deal would give older or injured or worse players longer deals with higher salary averages. The one thing Hahn did is not cripple a team, with a budget ,with a contract that kills it. LaRoche got 2 years and Melky three. I saw where 1 WAR was valued at 7 million. Melky, with all his problems was a 1.4 WAR player so he missed it by .4 war. He was not a major problem and a good bet to be better next year. The 4-8+ year contracts some of the premier FA will get probably take us out of that market. 25 million a year could get 3-6 useful players. Everyone agrees we are not one player away so I wouldn't throw it at one player.

QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Oct 16, 2015 -> 07:26 PM) Some sort of Ozuna and Dietrich would definitely be a good start for us. And Avi and Montas might actually be too much in my opinion. I don't see the need to trade a top 55 prospect in baseball for either of those guys. Ozuna has had his own struggles at the major league level and seemed to fall out of favor in Miami, plus I'm not sure how much trade value Dietrich really has on his own. He's 26 and hasn't had a full MLB season yet. I would think Avi and Beck would be a good start to the deal with the 2nd prospect not needing to be nearly as good as Montas. Maybe Danish, but I would even try guys like Jacob May or Jordan Guerrero. Idk, maybe I'm overvaluing our players, but if we do involve Montas in our trade I hope its for a bigger package than Ozuna and Dietrich. Adding Ozuna, Dietrich + a guy like Valencia would be a cheap efficient way to improve the lineup while still keeping our core prospects though. Would add a lot of versatility too, just questionable if it would be enough to get us over the hump and into the playoffs. I would prefer not using Montas here also, just throwing it out. Looking at Miami's prospect list is something. They don't have a lot in the minors. What was Beck's injury and would that preclude using him.

QUOTE (fathom @ Oct 12, 2015 -> 05:31 PM) Actually phantom still exists. If Tejada had thrown ball to first base, the runner on 2nd would have been ruled out. Actually to add insult to the injury, Dodgers appealed and Utley was ruled safe due to a non touch of second by Tejada. I thought that really sucked.

I have a slightly different take. I think this is in part a unintended consequence of replay. In the past, umpires allowed the phantom touching of second on double plays in part to protect the infielders. With replay the phantom is dead. This puts more infielders in harms way than before so the odds of this happening increase. It is old school to bust up the dp anyway you can and I am not advocating hurting a player at all. They will change the rule this off season because owners don't want millionaires/assets getting hurt just like the Posey rule.

Do you want this to be alexis last ab with white sox?

I think if we go 1-2 in the last three, we will have a protected pick. Not sure any such player would be good value for the money. I think when I was a kid it was Richard Dotson who said we were three players away. The Father, Son and Holy Ghost.

Moving Eaton???? Who leads off? Look at the numbers, TT has come back to earth. Eaton has also been playing hurt but producing. Maybe injury is source of defense issues. I have no problem, if the team is structured better, he can slide over to left but I don't see that currently.

Thanks for all the responses. I was working on answers to other posts on what to do for next year but trading Sale to me was a nuclear option and at 18 pages I thought it deserved its own thread. Sorry to those it bothered, but I think this trade proposal is one of best match ups out there. I wanted responses to see if others agreed it was semi realistic. If Dodgers lose Greinke and someone else gets Price stranger things have happened. Seager and Urias represent two of top five prospects in all of baseball, obviously no other team has that. All four players make sense to me. Plug third base and get a potential catcher with OBP skills. A starting pitcher with huge potential and another arm that is way more than a throw in. For those thinking 2017, all four project to be there or semi established by then. By being young, we also would have cost control for some time. I have always considered the negative impact on Sale, Q, Abreu if you bring in a 20 + million player. Even wondered that if Smard signed if that would get any of them to want more. Bringing in young talent would negate that and our team does have a budget. Just thought it was a interesting package and worthy of discussion.

If you have to make a major pitching trade to rebuild the team would this make sense? The Dodgers are a big money team who may be looking for an ace, are in a win now mode, and have prospects. Seager 21yo could play third and per MLB #2 prospect in all of baseball. Urias LHP 19yo in AA rated #4 prospect in MLB. Anderson 23yo is a RHP in AA-AAA. Dodgers #8 prospect who throws hard and thought to start vs close. Barnes 25yo C #11 Dodger prospect has been in MLB this year. walks more than ks.

What are the boards thoughts on Marcell Ozuna? Marlins owner disappointed in him. Had great 2014 but questions of his conditioning this year. Pros: young 24, has some power, CF ability with dwar about 0. Cons: Boras client though earliest FA 2020, strikeouts about once per game, conditioning/attitude? Supposedly Marlins looking for pitching. Could Avi and a pitching prospect do it or just pitching prospects? Put him in RF

I would offer him two years at 14 total. He would bridge to another shortstop. Anderson wouldn't be rushed, he likely needs 1 plus years.

Six nice innings for Rodon. I pull him as part of limiting his innings and let him enjoy a very good performance. 97 pitches enough. Less strain than pushing pitch count. Montas time

There is nothing wrong with a former player being a manager if he played for someone else so if his performance as a manager is lacking, the memories of him as your player, don't keep you from doing what needs to be done for the betterment of the team. I am not endorsing or canning Ventura. You don't make a move unless you have someone else better lined up. At this point just changing the manager may not make much difference. If there is a house cleaning and people come in with a coherent organizational wide philosophy and a new manager fits that better, by all means go ahead.

Glad we start on road where games unlikely to be cancelled. Few off days early so will need 5 starters from the beginning.

Next year at AA will tell the tale. If he does well, AAA before the year is over or late call up. If not ………..

Good find. He expresses the feeling correctly and the analysis is confirmatory.

let Viciedo be the rh platoon at dh.

Would you pull Danks or let him try for shutout? 90 thru seven I see no need to take him very high. Montas?

Excellent start for Adams 7 ip 1 run