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QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 1, 2013 -> 01:25 PM) Quintana making some brutal pitches with 2 strikes so far. This team is so incredibly flat this week. Changes have got to be made soon. Soon is not soon enough.

Dunn must be an idiot . The very pitch he should be looking for (soft stuff away), he doesn't seem to be ready for. Granted that pitch was a ball . P K's.

Here comes the rally buster.

Kepp and Gillaspie and Pk only ones hitting and Kepp and Conor 7th and 8th in the lineup.

QUOTE (oldsox @ Jun 1, 2013 -> 09:17 AM) These numbers prove once again how stupid general managers are. Agents everywhere are laughing. That's for sure. If you're going to take on $70mill. , it's sure not going to be be on a guy like Upton.

QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Jun 1, 2013 -> 11:10 AM) He must not really care about managing. I really hope they show up today, I'm going to be really sad otherwise. I'm sure the Sox players are very supportive of Dunn ( and I know this is very farfetched) but if most of us are depressed with him maybe so is the Sox lineup and that's why it's so lifeless.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 1, 2013 -> 12:34 PM) Where's Rios going to play? From everything you read, they'll move Kinsler to the outfield to keep his bat in the line-up unless they to find the right trading partner for Profar. Cruz is their regular RFer and you don't want to play Rios in CF again if you're the Rangers. They've got Murphy in LF. It's not like Rios can't play CF adequately or left for that matter probably better than Kinsler or Murphy out there . Kinsler would move back to 2nd base. Cruz is a couple years older than Rios and his days in the outfield are numbered.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 1, 2013 -> 12:23 PM) You do realize Alex Rios is as close as we have to a franchise player right now in our line-up? Either him or Viciedo, for the time being. Will agree about the way cheaper, but "maybe just as good," there's not much clear evidence yet of that. That's why you make the trade. Lot's of salary gone. Still have decent starting pitching. You let PK retire and that's more salary gone + the extra TV money. Martin has played a lot for the Rangers this year and has been pretty good and has a lot of skills. I doubt the Rangers would even consider giving up 2 of their top 3 prospects for so much salary , but you never know since they are hungry for a championship and Peavy and Rios could give that to them. We get younger cheaper and have lots of room to make more moves. Frankly ,I think it's a steal for the Sox and the Rangers would never consider it.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 1, 2013 -> 12:11 PM) The White Sox can't compete in 2014 without Rios. They can, however, manage without Peavy much easier...and, they can sign a pitcher in the off-season, if necessary. Would still have a rotation of Sale/Quintana/Danks/Axelrod/Santiago/Johnson. 6 deep. Sure they can. Martin is younger and maybe just as good as Rios, way cheaper too. Plus there might be more moves after this since Alexei or Beckham or both could be moved if you have Profar.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 1, 2013 -> 10:27 AM) http://www.rantsports.com/mlb/2013/06/01/s...icult-decision/ http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/05/31/3425...-jurickson.html Talks about how the Chris Davis/Hunter trade for Koji Uehara backfired but was done with the right intentions Peavy, Konerko + Crain for Jurickson Profar + another prospect from the Rangers Trade to be made ONLY if the White Sox are 8-9-10 games out in July. I must've posted in invisible ink : CaliSoxFanViaSWs... post Yesterday, 02:57 PM Peavy and Rios to the Rangers for Jurickson Profar and Leonys Martin.

QUOTE (Baron @ May 31, 2013 -> 04:08 PM) Not sure what its going to take for Robin to try out something else..... Dunn's release.

Peavy and Rios to the Rangers for Jurickson Profar and Leonys Martin.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 30, 2013 -> 11:31 PM) http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-leag...-201614409.html PROS 1) Would give us a more recognizable name for marketing 2) Could shift DeAza to LF and Viciedo to 1B/DH 3) LH power (to supplement Dunn's failings)....short porch in RF, similar to Yankee Stadium 4) Great human interest story/local ties 5) Experienced player who knows how to win 6) Phil Rogers would go nuts writing articles about him CONS 1) If the White Sox are more than a couple of bats away from competing, it could be a waste of money and block Trayce Thompson when he's ready (although Granderson could also DH when Dunn leaves) 2) Precious resources in off-season need to be spent carefully...other areas will be important, perhaps catcher or the bullpen 3) Granderson's age 4) Inability to hit LH pitching 5) Expectations might be too high playing so close to home.... 6) Granderson's a "name"/well-known player, but not a superstar and won't draw too many fans of his own without a winning team Not ideally suited for the Sox considering it would have to be multiyear and he's not likely to ever be as good as he was. Looks more and more likely the Sox will be eating the rest of Dunn's contract. If he plays all of this year and next I will be vastly disappointed. I might take a chance on him this year as a rent a player if he is healthy and Yanks want to move him but they would have to eat some salary.

I really can't comment on all this because I am a MEATHEAD. The Sox are my team I look at them as objectively as I can. I hope they do well and if not I hope they can make the necessary moves to get better as quickly as possible. I believe in retooling rather than rebuilding. That is all. If someone can put the Sox logo on my avatar i would appreciate it just pm me.

QUOTE (2nd_city_saint787 @ May 30, 2013 -> 09:43 PM) Serious question...Is Carlos Lee retired? Would he come back to platoon with Dunn? Near vet minimum? Would it even be worth it at his age? He was awful last year but the year before he batted .348 with a 1.028 OPS against LHP.... It'd also be nice to let him finish his career where it started. He very well could be done and sitting at home getting all out of shape. Manny Ramires is still available. Just have to pluck him from Taiwan unless he would still have to serve time for his roids use. Said tongue in cheek , sort of, but the Sox rolling merrily along with Dunn is pointless.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ May 30, 2013 -> 11:35 AM) Why are we so bad when we get lead off walks? I swear every time we give up a lead of walk they score but we get a lead off walk he never scores It's your dog's fault.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ May 30, 2013 -> 09:44 AM) My ultimate lineup for the Sox De Aza - CF Ramirez - SS Viciedo - LF Gillaspie - 3B Konerko - 1B Dunn - DH Rios - RF Flowers - C Keppinger - 2B this is better known as the "Tommy Tutone Lineup" 8 6 7 5 3 0 9 2 4 I got it( igot it) I got your number on the wall.

Worth a shot besides it didn't look right on a Sox site giving the other team top billing. Thank you.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ May 27, 2013 -> 06:14 AM) What's with the title of the thread ? It's Sox/Cubs not Cubs/Sox. See leave it like that and Sox lose. I hope you mods are happy ! Maybe we can salvage the last game if you change it now.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 29, 2013 -> 05:52 PM) If Santiago's value was 100% established, he wouldn't be pitching behind Axelrod. Because as much as they want you to believe it, that he's a "Swiss Army Knife" (Cooper's phrase), they're still basically using Santiago as the long-man and not a set-up guy. If Jones rebounds, why would you want to trade him when he's still affordable and we have a DIRE need to bullpen help in 2014. We can't fill 4-5 slots from what we have in our minor league system right now. We would be quite lucky to fill just two capably. Then you're really going to be overpaying for free agents OR going with the 2007 White Sox bullpen approach, which, trust me, you don't ever want to see again. I said Santiago's value was not "ideally " established. I'm pretty sure teams like his arm and what he has done up to this point. Jones you trade, if he re-establishes himself ,because in the off season relievers are easier to find but in the heat of a pennant race the reliable ones become more valuable.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 29, 2013 -> 08:03 PM) according to the broadcasters, it technically doesn't matter. It only matters when he intended to blow his whistle. Yea I'm pretty sure he saw the goal and the waving of the arms was waving it off. The iso cam didnt catch the ref coming into the picture till after Saad was down on the ice so he couldv'e called the penalties before we saw him in the camera view.

Yesssssssssss Seabroooooooook !!!!!!

Can't see if his hand was raised for a penalty call before that.

They just showed the iso cams. You only see ref waving it off after the goal.

QUOTE (RME JICO @ May 29, 2013 -> 07:50 PM) That is 2 goals taken away this series, there was also the phantom interference call on Shaw. Has to be one of the worst calls in history, Game 7, 3rd period, tie game, and you call a penalty away from the play? And the Red Wings are making an art form out of holding sticks with no calls.