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QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 29, 2013 -> 04:50 PM) Good luck. Not sure why we would want to sell off Nathan Jones for nothing when he has a lot more value to us if he rebounds and can be a productive member of the bullpen. If you're dumping Crain/Thornton/Lindstrom, you HAVE to have someone besides a wing and a prayer for 2014. If we're selling Santiago as a starter and not as mop-up guy, then fine...but he's not establishing any value for a trade right now. He would be worth more if he was throwing shutouts and no-hitters in Charlotte and building up his stamina so he could immediately be used as a starter by another team. Besides the fact that trading Axelrod and Santiago forces Erik Johnson into the rotation (probably earlier than he's ready) and we still don't know what we have in Danks, either. Jones has over a month to rebound. Santiago's value is established. Might not be ideally established but 3 more good starts might bring it up a little but 3 bad ones bring it down more. He can be traded having established OK stats as a starter or reliever. If we're adding to win now look for more rent a players somewhere in this list http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/showthrea...-Shopping-Early

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ May 29, 2013 -> 03:32 PM) According to the brilliant Marty that player's name is I Don't Care. Costello: Why? I don't know. And I don't care. Abbott: What was that? Costello: I said, I DON'T CARE! Abbott: Oh, that's our shortstop!

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 29, 2013 -> 01:19 PM) And when he was traded for Swisher, that would be an interesting thread to see again. I think some posters who can't believe KW would destroy his minor league system like that might be embarrassed. I don't play GM much because I consider myself knowledgeable on the Sox and baseball in general but by no means do I have a firm grasp on other teams players and minor leagues. I do remember wanting Dominic Brown while he was up and down . Not sure if I actually posted it. I'm sure I posted about wanting Adam LaRoche when everyone else was pining for Derek Lee and was blasted for that opinion. I know I posted about wanting a shot at some of the Nat's prospects like Rendon before we got Gillaspie. My point being ,if we add I always think it's best to target near ML ready talent who've put up decent MiL slash lines who are blocked by talent at the ML level like Hahn did with Gillaspie .Look how Gomez is doing now after so many here thought he was crap and made fun of Hawk for touting him. Good young players seem to be available. The Twins moved 2 young CF's .We have plenty of guys we can move if need be Kepp, Axelrod , Santiago, Beckham, DeAza , Crain , Thornton, Lindstrom, Jones ,Alexei. If the season goes south I think we see at least 2 or 3 of those guys moved or even some of the higher priced guys. If Hahn can rid us of Dunn I would sing his praises forever.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ May 29, 2013 -> 02:19 PM) But that thread is assuming the there is a rebuild already underway, or a "retool" and is commenting on the progress of the players. Admittedly, I haven't checked the thread in the past couple days, so I;m not sure if the conversation has evolved. More like devolved.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ May 29, 2013 -> 02:14 PM) And no one has cried rebuild since the offseason. So not sure what you're referring to about May 29th. Are we reading the same Soxtalk ? There's a current thread about a rebuild.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 29, 2013 -> 02:05 PM) Which player is this in reference to? Personally, it would be a selling low if they get rid of De Aza after this year. The problem is if the organization just doesn't trust him in CF and wants to keep Viciedo in LF. If you bring in someone like Granderson to play CF, then you can shift De Aza to LF. De Aza Peavy, Jones, Viciedo, Ramirez , Beckham, Keppinger Dunn Konerko Thorton, Crain etc . I'm not talking just about the game thread just some of our blow it up geniuses who know what they don't want but not what they do want.

I keep hearing get rid get rid and doesnt mattter who we get back way too much from this supposedly knowledgeable Soxtalk crowd.

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ May 29, 2013 -> 01:49 PM) pretty clear what the book is on the sox: they'll chase breaking balls out of the zone. Yea, about the only place the ump hasn't been generous in the strike zone is down and that's all I see our guys swinging and missing. I'm calling the pithces. Here comes the curve ball down, lay off it and they can't . If I know its coming shouldn't some of these guys ?

QUOTE (bbilek1 @ May 29, 2013 -> 01:45 PM) He didn't even glove it. If you're a catcher you are suppose to get in front of it if you can't catch it. Take your pick, is he lazy or just a terrible receiver? So your criteria for a wild pitch must be very high . It was scored a WP and there really is no other way to score that pitch. And I have already said he isn't very good but I know a WP when I see one. Do some catchers after setting up inside block that, ? Sure but when you are 6'4 250 no.

QUOTE (bbilek1 @ May 29, 2013 -> 01:34 PM) Are you kidding me? That was 100% laziness. You're not being objective at all. I know as well as you he's been bad back there. But he set up inside the pitch was way down and outside . That is 100% wild pitch. He's just a huge catcher who doesn't move well.

QUOTE (Baron @ May 29, 2013 -> 01:31 PM) Good work by our defensive juggernaut at catcher. Not Flowers fault there as he set up inside , however does he ever get his body in front of those pitches ? Seems he backhands most of them and misses too many.

I wonder what 's the Sox record when giving up 4+ runs. It's got to be really bad. Most teams would be but Sox above and beyond.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 29, 2013 -> 01:18 PM) I really hope Viciedo learns how to hit RHP and soon. It will end up being a liability in our division if not. Viciedo no idea of the strike zone today. He's trying to be more patience but ump not helping

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ May 29, 2013 -> 01:17 PM) 0-6 with five strikeouts for the number four and five hitters, yet Flowers is the problem with the offenses inability to score run. 0-9 3-4-5

Feldman getting both corners and high strikes. No wonder he's got no walks and 7 K's. Our hitters don't help either.

Now we need to get some balls up and out.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 29, 2013 -> 12:58 PM) DH Viciedo, play Wells in LF So you're leaving out Konerko or Dunn . I would think Dunn against a lefty then.

QUOTE (WHarris1 @ May 29, 2013 -> 12:54 PM) Wells should have tagged up on that That's a bit of a stretch considering if Soriano misplays it you want to score or make it to 3rd. If you're tagging and he misplays it you only get to second.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 29, 2013 -> 12:54 PM) I would like to see Casper get a shot at some LH starters. He does have talent. A who's expense though ? Viciedo has to face lefties. Dunn ?

Well well Wells.

Flowers needs more Feldmans.

Cubs 2 runs 2 hits. Sox 1 run 4 hits, a stolen base, a perfectly executed hit and run , a perfect sac bunt. Rios, Dunn and De Aza all failing with RISP. Flowers comes through.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ May 28, 2013 -> 11:04 AM) On Peavy and Rios if I am privy to the trade offers for them I will give my opinion. Otherwise, it serves no purpose to say well I'll take player A. The purpose it serves is to make your opinions worth reading otherwise I'm finished with your rebuild, tear down ,he sucks ,send him down , spend money ,I don't know who I want or even what kind of team I want posts.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 28, 2013 -> 10:48 AM) He doesn't know of any specific solutions or he would point them out. He actually asked me to be specific in another thread with a ROTF. He's just one of those dump everyone guys who actually gets a bigger kick out of the White Sox not winning than winning. I wanted to see the gist of what he's been suggesting for a while before I said anything to him but you're right .He lacks depth in anything he says. He just throws stuff out there like the Sox history of not bringing people up when its needed. Yet you never see examples of this apparent trend . When De Aza and Viciedo were tearing up AAA in 2010 or 11 maybe I even wrote KW a letter asking him to bring them up but as far as a history of it I'd ask for more than that covering a few decades unless a history means in KW's tenure , which we don't know because it's all generic blathering with nothing to support it.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ May 28, 2013 -> 10:48 AM) How is Phegley taking over for Flowers not specific? You know I am talking about your 1/2 job of the rebuild you are suggesting.