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QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 31, 2014 -> 09:05 AM) Deleted that post to avoid any confusion. Twitter and its lousy fake accounts. Ha funny how that turned out. Price is going to Detroit just without Zobrist. See what happens when you delete my post

On the bright side Abreu is now at .303 with his 2/2 day.

Back to back HR's by Hunter and JD Martinez has Detroit ahead 4-3.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 31, 2014 -> 11:05 AM) LOL. Are you adding their numbers together? Gordon Beckham sucks. If there's a platoon, it should be with Marcus Semien and Conor...and then a real MLB starting 2B. He's doing it was both players splits. Conor against a righty is .360 .417 .522 .939

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 31, 2014 -> 09:04 AM) That's from a fake account I got that from MLB network so they must've been duped.

I wonder how strongly the Sox are interested in Yasmani Tomas the 23 yr old Cuban outfielder who some compare to Dayan Viciedo. He won't be as inexpensive though. Estimates range in the $30-40M range anywhere from 4-7 yrs.

QUOTE (LDF @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 09:06 AM) thanks Just google Clay Davenport Jose Abreu and you will find all kinds of pre-signed articles about Jose Abreu.

I wonder if he was lifting weights under someones supervision at the time it happened.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 10:55 AM) AL July OPS: Abreu 1.064 Hosmer 1.044 Carter 1.043 Santana 1.043 Machado 1.041 AL July HR: Carter 8 Santana 8 Abreu 6 Ortiz 6 Beltre 6 Gardner 6 Trout 6 AL July RBI: Ortiz 25 Hunter 22 Abreu 19 Carter 19 Santana 18 Thanks how about batting average ?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 10:34 AM) I'm here to tell you guys that neither Guillen, nor Ventura, manage the bullpen. It is Don Freaking Cooper who manages the entire pitching staff. This team always had defined roles up until this year, when it just so happened that everyone was either hurt, or really sucky. The differences you are seeing this year are 100% related to the roster, and nothing to do with Ventura managing a pitching staff. Which is why I never mention the bullpen when I say Robin is a less than adequate manager. And after reading all the other opinions I will say he's not a bad manager but a poor tactician since its more accurate. There's a ton of things Robin does good as well as poor. After all there isn't going to be any threads about how great a manager is even if you could fine one who makes all the right tactical decisions.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 29, 2014 -> 10:02 PM) That was so fantastically awful it was amazing. I enjoy people who are wordsmithy and punny.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 29, 2014 -> 06:45 PM) How about last year when someone posted this: I remember that well. I changed my avatar to a cap with a steak picture on it or something like that and kept it that way for a while. I always liked Conor . I also remember towards the end of last year Conor saying he was figuring things out and being encouraged by that. I stuck up for Conor in the off season when someone suggested the Sox trade for David Freese . Not sure if that was before we got Davidson. Of course it's not like I picked out Conor from all the bad players and focused on him. I had high hopes for Viciedo too just as I do now for Avisail Garcia. Maybe I'm just lucky or its my advanced years of watching players but I've been on the wrong side of popular opinion before. The Adam LaRoche/Derrick Lee debate on here a few years back I was in the minority for choosing LaRoche. Same last year before Abreu there was the Corey Hart/James Loney debate where I took Loney. Remember that time Robin started the season batting Conor 3rd. I liked that too when most were like WTF ??

QUOTE (scs787 @ Jul 29, 2014 -> 11:03 AM) Kinda intrigued to see what Bassit brings. I was high on him last year. Did u smoke him , snort him or shoot him up ?

QUOTE (scs787 @ Jul 29, 2014 -> 08:21 PM) Linstrom is a solid setup man...he's just not a closer. Put in the right position and he would be a welcome addition. The return of Lindstrom, maybe Jones and Avi are probably the reason why the Sox will be pretty quiet before the trade deadline. Those 3 guys are like making trades without making them. Things that happen will probably go down in August.

QUOTE (Baron @ Jul 29, 2014 -> 07:05 PM) I just love all the comments on MLB's facebook page when they post a video of Abreu. Half of them atleast are comments on how he needs to be tested for PEDs and the other half are just condemning with no evidence. Jealousy is the green monster. And duh idjits players are tested all the time.

Detroit sucks.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jul 28, 2014 -> 06:30 AM) Isn't that true of literally every player in the MLB, though? It is but thats not the point. I'm willing to give him some rope I'm arguing with those who think he is what he is. And he very well probably is but even if he does hit well the rest of the season there will still be those guys saying it's a fluke.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 28, 2014 -> 06:42 AM) So you are basically saying, in hindsight, if it doesn't work out, Robin should be criticized, because he had to do something wrong. I had no problem with the moves he made. I do find it funny people who thought Tyler Flowers needed to be relieved of his job a week or so ago, now complain he wasn't used to pinch hit, and automatically assume if he pinch hit, he would have succeeded. I'm sure if Robin did what they now said he was supposed to do and pinch hit either Sierra or Flowers and they rolled into a DP, he would have been an idiot as well. There was posts criticizing him for removing Carroll, and the crap where if he went out to the mound to see them take Beli's rubber band off would have made it a whole lot better is beyond laughable. Why do you always put word in people mouths ? Yea Tyler sucked 2 weeks ago and people wanted him gone. But now he was hot so there's nothing wrong or funny about wanting him to PH NOW not 2 weeks ago. You paint everyone with the same broad brushstrokes. The people condemning Robin don't do it based on results at least the more knowledgeable ones don't. They do it based on playing the odds or percentages of success and failure . If Flowers or Sierra had pinch hit and had the same result as De Aza or even worst at least he made the right move for that particular situation. The outcome is irrelevant. no one is assuming Tyler or Sierra would've succeeded in that situation. That is just you arguing against yourself telling us what others would have done as usual. Again the manager should be out there to survey the situation when his pitcher gets f***ed with. No one is saying Bellasario would have pitched better if he had. Again that is on you.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jul 28, 2014 -> 06:23 AM) So Robin is the worst manager ever because he didn't save Moises Sierra for a pinch hitting situation. Moises Sierra, who has a 47 wRC+ this season, 60 wRC+ against lefties. De Aza is having a really bad year, but in his career vs. lefties he has an 85 wRC+. Was Sierra a better choice? Maybe, but you could argue either way. Regardless, it sounds like the difference between fighting a bear using a spork or a toothpick. Given the relatively even odds of failure with each batter at the plate, is it not at least defensible to at least make sure the runner on second would score on a base hit? At least there's a significant difference between Sierra and Konerko on the basepaths -- I'm not sure there really was one between De Aza and Sierra at the plate. At the end of the day, the team had a runner on third with no outs and couldn't manage to tie the game. A complete failure of the players on the field. Hey just because someone at the beginning of the thread said worst manager ever do not apply it to everyone else who thinks Robin isn't a good manager. Also don't throw out a stat that some of us still don't comprehend fully like wRC+. I do know Sierra was at .233 against RH's and De Aza .083 this year. The last thing the Sox needed out of De Aza was a K or DP . The RH vs LH match up at least cuts down on the K odds.The only thing you need to know is THIS YEAR not career De Aza sucked against LH's . Of course Sierra or Flowers was a better choice. There is no MAYBE about it. The significant difference you talk about between Sierra and Konerko doesn't even matter if Leury does not score 1st. Increase the odds of Leury scoring is the numero uno priority in that situation. I am not going to take up the cross for the anti Robin guys here. I think most of them are reasonable and objective with their opinions and not looking to blame Robin but just observing the game as it happens. Robin's job is to increase the odds of success and lessen the odds of failure. He made good moves last night but also bad or if you prefer questionable ones.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 28, 2014 -> 06:09 AM) So you are saying there is zero chance you would have fried Robin if a go ahead run didn't score because Konerko wasn't pinch run for and the Sox wound up losing? When Sierra came in, I was in the gamethread. Where were all the 2 or 3 moves ahead posters then? They sure did manage to find their way to posting AFTER the Sox didn't score and were looking to blame Robin for something. Poster's aren't paid to look 2 or 3 moves ahead or manage the team but Robin is. So it really makes no difference when they say the moves are iffy because they are iffy. If you realize it before time, during or after, they are still questionable moves and I don't see you denying that.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 27, 2014 -> 09:24 PM) The "wait til next year" stuff is kind of scary. You can do that year after year and next thing you know it's always 'wait til next year' if the team doesn't build up the roster. This year isn't on Robin as much as Hahn. If Robin keeps the team within five games of .500 it's a masterful job. If the team wins five games in September and plummets, not so great overall. Probably most of the complaints are his handling of pitching matchups and not pinch hitting more in the late innings. We can all stop right there. No manager in the history of the game could make the right call(s) with this bullpen. These guys simply cannot pitch on a consistent basis. Bella leads the laughably bad bullpen brigade. Don't judge Robin on pitching decisions (except that one game where he ran out of pitchers; that disgusted me). As far as pinch hitters, cmon. Batting Flowers today wouldn't have paid off. This team isn't exactly "deep" where you can effectively pinch hit much where it would make a difference. Pretty good post when you read it a couple times. He's right IMO. That's the problem when you don't bother reading the whole thread or watch the game or read or take part in the game thread . Those were not the major points of contention. Trailing 4-3 Abreu led off the 9th against left hander Glen Perkins with a single and Robin pinch ran for him ( Leury Garcia ) because he's the tying run . Good move pretty accepted and expected strategy. PK pinch hits for Dunn and gets a single moving Leury to 3rd so its 1st and 3rd no outs. Another good move by Robin not letting the LH Dunn face the LH Perkins. Then the questionable move. Robin pinch runs for PK with Moises Sierra when De Aza who is batting .083 against LHers is 2 hitters away. Sierra is RH along with Flowers who is red hot and also on the bench. Now we all know PK is slow but is he the go ahead run . Maybe if Viceido who is up now hits a double Sierra scores whereas PK wouldn't or maybe Sierra can break up a DP since we've seen Tank hit into a few of those before. Now Robin has known all year that his bench is a little short since PK can only pinch hit and not play any other position. SO maybe, just maybe you think ahead, ok what if PK gets on base I might need my other RH's to pinch hit with Perkins being lefty and all and De Aza being really bad this year against lefty's . SO if I pinch run for PK maybe it should be one of my faster pitcher's or a pitcher who's not a starter ( don't want them running the bases) but if I use a reliever and it goes extra innings I could need that pitcher. Or maybe I just wait before I pinch run for PK but I better pick out a reliever and tell him to stretch his legs and if the game ends up going 15 innings I'll cross that bridge when I get to it but the main thing is getting the tying run home. The main thing is getting Leury in from 3rd. That's the tying run and Perkins is one tough son of a gun. Damn it Viciedo K's Conor is up . He sucks against LH's too but not half as bad as De Aza and he 's has a good eye. Well hmm Conor works a walk now Sierra is at 2nd base and I can't use Sierra to pinch hit because he's pinch running but I still have Flower's since Nieto started and he's red hot. Ok so if Flowers pinch hits Sierra can still take De Aza's place in the OF and Flowers can take Neito's place but then I have no catcher if Flower's gets hurt. Ok Leury's still on 3rd. Yea maybe I shouldn't have had Sierra pinch run for PK .Maybe Rienzo could have run though we don't really know how fast he is but we do all know PK is about the slowest man in baseball. Robin has to know De Aza is terrible against LH this year . Sierra is a better choice so is Flowers but he wasted Sierra on the go ahead runner when just getting Leury in was the main thing.. So any way De Aza also K's Gordan flies out to left . Game Over. Carrol pitched 6 strong innings but the reason he didnt start the 7th was because of a blister and I'm pretty sure most knowledgeable Sox fans said hey good job Carroll and weren't upset when Bellasario came in. Before he threw a pitch the umps said he had too much resin on his left sleeve and told him to take a bracelet or rubber band or something off that he was wearing under that sleeve and they cut off his sleeve at the elbow. Robin stayed in the dugout the entire time his pitcher is being messed with. That is kind of odd. I think most managers would've come out and said wtf why are you f***ing with my pitcher and to gauge how Bellasario felt about it. Well Bellasario was angry ( his post game comments)and proceeded to wet the bed. Walks the 1st hitter, then Thigpen visits the mound. Gives up a single next ,a wild pitch and another walk before he is replaced. So these are the things that some of us questioned.

QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ Jul 27, 2014 -> 06:06 PM) Okay, the dudes having fun about his glasses are chill with me, but you're on the naughty chair. He's hitting .243/.299/.350 with a .371 BABIP and a 35.4 K% (dead last in the entire MLB). He's put the ball in play 166 times, for 62 hits. Applying the league average BABIP of .300 (his 2011 BABIP was .261, his 2012 .301 and his 2013 .261) to his line gives him 50 hits. Add his 6 homers, divide by his 280 at-bats and an average BABIP would have given him an average of a clean .200. Even assuming all 12 hits he loses were singles (which is generous because he's had extra-base hits that normally would have been outs, like that double which span and then hit the bag), that would leave Ordinary Luck Tyler Flowers with a line of .200/.260/.307. He's just not an MLB hitter. He also ranks 66 of 96 in catcher framing, so it's not like there's some insane hidden value. Dude you're preaching to the choir. I know he's a bad hitter I was only saying that IF he hits well for the rest of the season it would certainly make me rethink his suckiness.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jul 27, 2014 -> 05:27 PM) He has no chance to get his average to .270 none. And if I had told you on 7/12 when Tyler was batting .213 that on 7/26 he would be batting .243 you would have said the same thing.

QUOTE (Vance Law @ Jul 27, 2014 -> 05:11 PM) Having "late innings maneuverability" has nothing to do with having a strong (2nd best in baseball) DH platoon. I don't know what you are trying to say. The 2nd best DH "platoon" is mostly Dunn. Konerko really hasn't contributed much to that "platoon" nor is he able to pinch run or play multiple positions. If he pinch hits and gets on base and has to be pinch run for that's using 2 bench players for that 1 hit. Abreu has started around 15 games at DH so that sure helps the "platoon" production. The fact is you still can't figure out run production or wins and losses the way you suggested it. You cannot predict how another player with running ability and multi positional talent would be as a DH in Konerko's absence but we do know he would not be one dimensional.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jul 27, 2014 -> 05:01 PM) Glasses or no glasses I want someone else as starting catcher in 2015. Hey I was calling for Flowers head last year but seriously how can you say that now? What if he get's his average up to .270 by seasons end and hit's like 10 more HR's ? That would be a decent enough sample size to give me pause.