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QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ May 30, 2013 -> 11:35 AM) Why are we so bad when we get lead off walks? I swear every time we give up a lead of walk they score but we get a lead off walk he never scores It's your dog's fault.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ May 30, 2013 -> 09:44 AM) My ultimate lineup for the Sox De Aza - CF Ramirez - SS Viciedo - LF Gillaspie - 3B Konerko - 1B Dunn - DH Rios - RF Flowers - C Keppinger - 2B this is better known as the "Tommy Tutone Lineup" 8 6 7 5 3 0 9 2 4 I got it( igot it) I got your number on the wall.

Worth a shot besides it didn't look right on a Sox site giving the other team top billing. Thank you.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ May 27, 2013 -> 06:14 AM) What's with the title of the thread ? It's Sox/Cubs not Cubs/Sox. See leave it like that and Sox lose. I hope you mods are happy ! Maybe we can salvage the last game if you change it now.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 29, 2013 -> 05:52 PM) If Santiago's value was 100% established, he wouldn't be pitching behind Axelrod. Because as much as they want you to believe it, that he's a "Swiss Army Knife" (Cooper's phrase), they're still basically using Santiago as the long-man and not a set-up guy. If Jones rebounds, why would you want to trade him when he's still affordable and we have a DIRE need to bullpen help in 2014. We can't fill 4-5 slots from what we have in our minor league system right now. We would be quite lucky to fill just two capably. Then you're really going to be overpaying for free agents OR going with the 2007 White Sox bullpen approach, which, trust me, you don't ever want to see again. I said Santiago's value was not "ideally " established. I'm pretty sure teams like his arm and what he has done up to this point. Jones you trade, if he re-establishes himself ,because in the off season relievers are easier to find but in the heat of a pennant race the reliable ones become more valuable.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 29, 2013 -> 08:03 PM) according to the broadcasters, it technically doesn't matter. It only matters when he intended to blow his whistle. Yea I'm pretty sure he saw the goal and the waving of the arms was waving it off. The iso cam didnt catch the ref coming into the picture till after Saad was down on the ice so he couldv'e called the penalties before we saw him in the camera view.

Yesssssssssss Seabroooooooook !!!!!!

Can't see if his hand was raised for a penalty call before that.

They just showed the iso cams. You only see ref waving it off after the goal.

QUOTE (RME JICO @ May 29, 2013 -> 07:50 PM) That is 2 goals taken away this series, there was also the phantom interference call on Shaw. Has to be one of the worst calls in history, Game 7, 3rd period, tie game, and you call a penalty away from the play? And the Red Wings are making an art form out of holding sticks with no calls.

I wonder if they have some iso cams that can show if the wave off was before the goal.

Analysts saying it's a bad call too.

That's just total garbage. Saad take a poke at the guy from flat on his back and it's a penalty ? After he was driven over the bench then slammed to the ice ?

Nice work by Shaw Stahlberg line.

Slow line change by Detroit . Hawks get 3 on 1 turned into a 2 on the goalie . Hossa and Sharp . No chance for Howard !!!! 1-0 Hawks.

Yikes , that was about the dumbest penalty I've ever seen Keith take. He committed a penalty on a guy who had to clear the zone since Keith knew he already got the puck out of the Hawks zone.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 29, 2013 -> 04:50 PM) Good luck. Not sure why we would want to sell off Nathan Jones for nothing when he has a lot more value to us if he rebounds and can be a productive member of the bullpen. If you're dumping Crain/Thornton/Lindstrom, you HAVE to have someone besides a wing and a prayer for 2014. If we're selling Santiago as a starter and not as mop-up guy, then fine...but he's not establishing any value for a trade right now. He would be worth more if he was throwing shutouts and no-hitters in Charlotte and building up his stamina so he could immediately be used as a starter by another team. Besides the fact that trading Axelrod and Santiago forces Erik Johnson into the rotation (probably earlier than he's ready) and we still don't know what we have in Danks, either. Jones has over a month to rebound. Santiago's value is established. Might not be ideally established but 3 more good starts might bring it up a little but 3 bad ones bring it down more. He can be traded having established OK stats as a starter or reliever. If we're adding to win now look for more rent a players somewhere in this list http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/showthrea...-Shopping-Early

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ May 29, 2013 -> 03:32 PM) According to the brilliant Marty that player's name is I Don't Care. Costello: Why? I don't know. And I don't care. Abbott: What was that? Costello: I said, I DON'T CARE! Abbott: Oh, that's our shortstop!

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 29, 2013 -> 01:19 PM) And when he was traded for Swisher, that would be an interesting thread to see again. I think some posters who can't believe KW would destroy his minor league system like that might be embarrassed. I don't play GM much because I consider myself knowledgeable on the Sox and baseball in general but by no means do I have a firm grasp on other teams players and minor leagues. I do remember wanting Dominic Brown while he was up and down . Not sure if I actually posted it. I'm sure I posted about wanting Adam LaRoche when everyone else was pining for Derek Lee and was blasted for that opinion. I know I posted about wanting a shot at some of the Nat's prospects like Rendon before we got Gillaspie. My point being ,if we add I always think it's best to target near ML ready talent who've put up decent MiL slash lines who are blocked by talent at the ML level like Hahn did with Gillaspie .Look how Gomez is doing now after so many here thought he was crap and made fun of Hawk for touting him. Good young players seem to be available. The Twins moved 2 young CF's .We have plenty of guys we can move if need be Kepp, Axelrod , Santiago, Beckham, DeAza , Crain , Thornton, Lindstrom, Jones ,Alexei. If the season goes south I think we see at least 2 or 3 of those guys moved or even some of the higher priced guys. If Hahn can rid us of Dunn I would sing his praises forever.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ May 29, 2013 -> 02:19 PM) But that thread is assuming the there is a rebuild already underway, or a "retool" and is commenting on the progress of the players. Admittedly, I haven't checked the thread in the past couple days, so I;m not sure if the conversation has evolved. More like devolved.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ May 29, 2013 -> 02:14 PM) And no one has cried rebuild since the offseason. So not sure what you're referring to about May 29th. Are we reading the same Soxtalk ? There's a current thread about a rebuild.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 29, 2013 -> 02:05 PM) Which player is this in reference to? Personally, it would be a selling low if they get rid of De Aza after this year. The problem is if the organization just doesn't trust him in CF and wants to keep Viciedo in LF. If you bring in someone like Granderson to play CF, then you can shift De Aza to LF. De Aza Peavy, Jones, Viciedo, Ramirez , Beckham, Keppinger Dunn Konerko Thorton, Crain etc . I'm not talking just about the game thread just some of our blow it up geniuses who know what they don't want but not what they do want.

I keep hearing get rid get rid and doesnt mattter who we get back way too much from this supposedly knowledgeable Soxtalk crowd.

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ May 29, 2013 -> 01:49 PM) pretty clear what the book is on the sox: they'll chase breaking balls out of the zone. Yea, about the only place the ump hasn't been generous in the strike zone is down and that's all I see our guys swinging and missing. I'm calling the pithces. Here comes the curve ball down, lay off it and they can't . If I know its coming shouldn't some of these guys ?

QUOTE (bbilek1 @ May 29, 2013 -> 01:45 PM) He didn't even glove it. If you're a catcher you are suppose to get in front of it if you can't catch it. Take your pick, is he lazy or just a terrible receiver? So your criteria for a wild pitch must be very high . It was scored a WP and there really is no other way to score that pitch. And I have already said he isn't very good but I know a WP when I see one. Do some catchers after setting up inside block that, ? Sure but when you are 6'4 250 no.