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Who's the insider ? I know you put it in quotes but you did say insider and to me that means an employee of the team.

Sorry I was wrong. I think I got him mixed up with Robert Jr. I just doing it from memory which isn't isn't always correct. Like I'm not even 100 % sure Robert is with Boras.

Oh I might be wrong. Probably got him mixed up with Robert. My bad. But the same thing applies . If you're Crochet do you just play it out and take whatever you make in 2025 and 26 and test Free Agency or do you take possibly double or triple that amount to give up 2 years of Free agency ?

I don't know what will happen but it might depend on if Crochet is actively involved and listens to Boras. It's generally believed if you hire Bora that you'll go for the jugular and want to test free agency. But that is how Boras operates . He'll be in Crochet s ear telling him he believes in him. The payout is much bigger for Boras if Crochet can prove he's capable of big bucks. But it doesn't always work out that way. Plenty of players have passed on decent offers and regretted it. If Crochet is his own man and has some common sense about the consequences of passing up a decent offer because of his injury history he'd still be able to get big money at 28 years old if his arm holds up.

Thorpe will probably spend some time in AAA before he called up.Might be this year and be next year. Charlotte is a band box but he still should be tested by the more advanced AAAA hitters who are in AAA. He's been traded twice because although he's a great prospect he doesn't have overwhelming stuff besides his changeup. Yes he should be tested but perhaps not at the MLB level. Charlotte will be a challenge.

Is dumpster diving a bad thing now ? All teams do it. It's actually a good strategy for picking up youngerish players or rehab guys who may still have some upside.Its better than getting stuck paying $10-20M for multiple years to middle level Free agents whose best years always seem to be behind them.

Too little? With his injury history ? That's just an insanely irresponsible offer. He's pitched .5 years as a SP . If he has another major injury this year or next that keeps him out for another year+ his career could be over. Half of that for 4 years would be fine. You give up 2 years of free agency but when the alternative is maybe less than 50/50 that you'll ever be in a position as a startinng pitcher to expect to receive that kind of money, you would seriously have to consider a decent but not irresponsible multi year offer from the Sox.

Depends what you mean by a pretty big extension. Is offering a 24 year old who has no starting pitching history and actually has more of a history of injuries something in the range of $40M to keep him till he's through 2028 sound fair to both sides ? That's guaranteed money to set you up comfortably for the rest of your life or go with whatever he'll make until he's a FA in 2027 which is largely dependent on his health and stats as a SP. If you were Crochet would you risk passing that kind of money up when the very real alternative is more injuries that keep him from ever making that kind of money and having one of those nomadic baseball careers. Sure he could believe in himself and end up terribly wrong just as the Sox could take the chance to believe in him and also be terribly wrong so they hedge their bets by offering something modest like 2025 $5M, 2026 $8M , 2027 $12M, 2028 $15M.

This close ? FA in 2027. That's 2.5 years.Thats a lifetime for a pitcher who's been injured as much as he has and who is in the 1st phase of seeing how he holds up on a starting pitcher's schedule. He still has a lot to prove. Financial security for the rest of your life when you are 24 should be extremely attractive to him when the alternative could be non tendered in a more injuries scenario.

I never played baseball at a high level but I ve followed the game forever at the MLB level. 1st pitch fastball for a strike to lefty on left to Colas from a pitcher who frequently throws curves low to the previously hitters.So I'm thinking lots of low curves coming now that he's ahead. I figure that's what Colas should be thinking too and look at the next pitch at least. He's at a disadvantage and has to see if he can get the count back in his favor. Low curve out of the strike zone swing and miss strike 2, then another curve in the dirt strike 3. How do they make it this far without knowing these things and you see it constantly. Sure you'll get out guessed pretty often but so many guys can't seem to think along with the pitcher. Too much swingitis.

2 actually if you count Clevinger.

20 % would be pretty good rate of scrap heap pitchers working out. Rodon was one .Well sort of. Sox refused to give him a QO and they got nothing for him. They abused the hell out of his arm as if they knew they weren't going to give him a QO way in advance. And pretty much half the board agreed with that decision with a 2022 contention window expected to still be open.

You can't even establish what fair value is on those guys. If Robert keeps getting hurt his extension he got already will start looking like Moncada's did at the end. Crochet could accept a cheap extension for $30M for 3 years . That sure beats an 800K salary and being non tendered eventually if he blows out his arm.

How exactly do you know it's Getz's decision to make on firing Grifol ? Maybe Reinsdorf just told him he didn't want to pay 2 managers at the same time. If Grifol gets fired before his contract runs out I'm guessing it won't be Getz decision but it will come out that Getz fired him.

Hey I dig any response that agrees with me. Which thread ?

Concise.

Sometimes guys stink moving up a level until they adjust or they dont. Thorpe hasn't sucked,neither has Iriarte. Korey Lee's doing decent after he sucked late in the season last year. The kid they got for Grossman hasn't sucked. Shuster has done well. Everybody bagged on Jacob Gonzalez last year but he made some changes and has looked much better this year and got promoted to AA. Sosa always took time adjusting to a new level then figured it out as he climbed the ladder. Every team in baseball has players just like this. I'm no big believer in our farm system by a long shot but that's on Reinsdorf. I'll keep repeating that till my fingers are gnarled . They won't pay for 2 DSL teams like maybe 1/3 of teams do who actually think spending internationally in the D.R. Is worth the headaches. JR doesn't want to deal in the murky waters. Or maybe he just doesn't want to acquire the expensive best young talent. So they end up picking older Cubans and signing mostly Venezuelans. Eder sucked when he got traded into our systems but he was a gamble coming off arm surgery and probably was gassed but even when he was good he didn't have many innings under his belt.Most here loved that trade except for the Burger guys like me. But I'm not writing Eder off yet. The decision to turn Crochet into a SP has worked well so far. The hiring of Bannister and that decision alone is hardly mentioned when talking about a small change that's going pretty well right now. Ultimately who knows what happens. There's only so much a lot of these executives under JR can do given his involvement in all aspects of the organization especially when it comes to scouting and player development having limited resources be it quality or just quantity hires , software, latest tech. International spending , JR slashes money everywhere. Even if Getz is not qualified if you base it on how he did as player development chief how can anyone expect success from him given everything JR does to inhibit player development ? AJ Perrynski was a team Ambassador for the Sox and JR let him go for speaking out against the Getz hire. But AJs no dummy .He knows actual qualified execs cost more money and need more freedom to do as they please and won't worked under JR. I generally reserve my ire for JR. You can say whatever you want about Getz , Grifol , player development but to me it's a waste of space when the head honcho ,while not calling all the shots, is severely limiting the ammo.

I know you're in your element bashing everything in your line of fire but all you did was mention 3 names. You didn't say anything about them. You then proceed to call it the worst off season you can remember. Well duh the whole off season was based on cutting payroll and picking up old trash and hoping it could be sold off for 6nyesrs of upside. Only Zavala was acquired in the only significant trade Getz made. The other 3 guys Thorpe and Iriarte and Wilson were doing pretty good. Everything else was potential for potential and probably minor potential if you want to be fair about it. Like how Mazara for Steele Walker turned out. Are you already writing off Zavala ? He's 19 and has 55 games at A+. The AA RP they got for Grossman has been good since they got him. I don't expect any miracles at the trade deadline do you ? Fedde may bring something worthy of attention . That's about it unless they move Crochet or Robert. Both seem unlikely to happen . Kopech, Pham ,DeJong , Brebbia ,Flexen , Hill anything we get is likely to be akin to the Grossman trade. 6 years worth of some maybes.

They miss Wilson.Without him the late innings are really bad. Went on the IL May 22. Losing streak started the same day. BP was hot before he got hurt. Yes it was lesser competition but they were 11-8 right before he got injured. They don't have the BP depth.

If Mendick had actually stretched like a 1st baseman does towards the ball (he didn't), they might've got Bellinger there.

Isn't this what everyone wanted? Play the kids and give them extended time. Can't or I should say shouldn't whine after every AB. Give them a chance. Peralta makes a lot of hitters look bad.

That was unproductive ?

LFG !

The 143 ( actually about 147) was 103 in college and another 44 in the minors in 2010. In 2011 it was 71 innings all in relief . Then it was 192 in his 1st year as a SP with the Sox .

I wouldn't even venture a guess. Phantom DL stints don't exactly send a positive message out to other teams about his health. Who knows maybe if he's healthy he'll agree to being a 1-3 inning opener in the minors so the Sox can recover some of his time in exchange for a mutually beneficial extension . But that seems rather remote.