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I'm actually surprised this hasn't happened yet. High walk rate, switch hitter, great arm, backup CF and cheap cheap cheap. What are the Sox waiting for ? He'd get the most playing time here if he's cool with playing mostly RF. I know Hicks might be able to pick and choose among several teams but why wait ? Gives Colas plenty of time in AAA to show he can handle that level and make the necessary improvements.

I'm actually surprised the Sox haven't signed Aaron Hicks . He's 34 and sucked in his last stint with the Yankees but had a bit of a revival when the O's picked him up. Played mostly in CF but he can play all 3 OF positions. He has a strong arm so although he hasn't played a lot of RF he has the arm for it. Sprint speed says he's faster than Colas (50th% for Hicks 38th% for Colas) . In 65 games and 236 PA with the Orioles, the switch hitter hit .275/.381/.425/.806 ,Walk % 14.8 and career 12.7. So when push came to shove the O's opted to play Hicks a lot in CF when Mullins got hurt at the end of May. He easily got more PT than Cowser and Kjerstad combined. He’d be essentially a free pickup for whatever teams signs him. The Yankees are still on the hook for next year’s $9.5MM salary and a $1MM buyout on a 2025 option. A signing team would only pay Hicks at the $740K league minimum rate for whatever time he spends on the MLB roster, which would be subtracted from New York’s obligations. I'd sign him right now. He'd get a lot of playing time. What else could he want ?

You can continue to think it's fools gold but at least we have a recent end of season sample besides the from July 25th stats that were already given. The last 28 days of the season he played 19 games with 77 plate appearances. .292/.338/.597/.935 152 OPS+ . Of course it always is about his health but we do have 2019, 2021 and the recent samples from last year to at least know he can be very productive IF he can stay healthy. So I'll say silver lining rather than fools gold.

.281/.324/.464 /.788 with his usually good fielding is a pretty good line probably worth about 4 fWar over a full season (approx 145 games). Now if he can play often enough to duplicate his 2021 season of .263/.375/.412/.787 keep the same slugging he finished with in 2023 while upping his OBP back to the .350 range , then you're talking about an .800+ OPS and a 5 fWar guy. Depending on other teams 3rd base situation if Moncada is 2+ fWAR as they approach the deadline there could be some interested buyers.

You left out Elier Gil, Catcher, Venezuela.

Since we don't know who else they signed yet it's impossible to know. They have some DR signings and perhaps others .Seems like they always leave something in reserve for late signees or to trade. We may get more info this week or later.

Not Dominican , he's Venezuelan according to the link you provided.

Thanks kind of what I figured and then there's the prevailing voice in my head that keeps saying in supposedly down financial times when JR should be investing more in youth and player development he'll trade extra money away and let Getz play with $30-40M on dumpster dives retreads and nice guys who can field but can't hit all in the name of Ecksteindorf Ball.

Is all the money spent ? What's the breakdown of who the Sox signed , age, country , position played and bonus amount ?

That was Jordan Sanchez , 18yr old OF from Cuba . There were earlier tweets about him from Romero in this thread.

I won't pretend to know all the service time rules. According to Baseball Reference the Sox have him for 3 more years. Free Agency in 2027. If there's even a remote possibility of keeping him healthy enough to be a viable starting pitcher if the Sox can regain a year so much the better. Not sure if that's possible unless they keep him in the minors all year. But someone with a better understanding of service time rules may make it clearer.

When a team is so bad Zips doesn't even matter. I never quite understood the use for projection systems so I always leaned towards them pretty useless anyway.

Most of the misspellings I saw was after the Sox signed him .After we got used to seeing his name enough it got better. Performance is a whole other category.

I think if the plan is to stretch him out, the plan should also be to not use up his service time and if it's possible to gain some of it back and keep him on a starting pitching schedule . If he's in the bullpen you can't say we are only going to pitch you every 5th day. That's why I said I thought for sure he would spend at least half the year in the minors. If by some miracle he stays healthy and they can regain some service time to be able get him slowly up to 5 innings , he would become more valuable as a starting pitcher to then establish a longer period of time as a starter with the Sox until which, at some point, he can be traded. Of course it all depends on keeping him healthy which is a very very tall order. I know Getz mentioned him being on the Sox this year but I can't imagine him being there until he is stretched out on a starting pitcher's schedule when they feel he can give them at least 4 -5 innings and close to 100 pitches per start.

To the bat cave .. pow ! Splat!

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Good to know but I was talking about mostly about why other teams are ignoring many of the free agents and if money for those teams most affected by it is tight ,a guy like Cease as an alternative to the cost of free agency ,is a helluva bargain. The price is steep in prospects but most teams rarely give up more than one who pans out in these types of trades. It worked out very nicely for the Nationals and the Red Sox who both World Series after getting Sale and Eaton . Evevm the Cubs won a championship too. Don't these teams like the Orioles realize that trading with the Sox, while the Sox are rebuilding ,results in those teams winning a Champioship ? ?

If it's the RSN thing causing less spending ,wouldn't you think that Cease being fairly inexpensive would work to the Sox advantage ? I understand it also might make prospects more valuable also but I would also think your older and defensively challenged types prospects will start to lose some of their value too. I think that's why the Dodgers acted on Busch.

There are a lot factors in play besides the other sides repetitive "Getz is asking too much" rhetoric . Just because a deal hasn't been completed yet means nothing. You're starting to sound like our Baltimore Bros. Getz has a plan for the off-season and we have heard repeatedly that it involves waiting out the market and for Snell and Montgomery to sign 1st. Right or wrong Snell and Montgomery are still out there. Getz is being tested by the other GMs more experienced than he is. If you're getting shaky about it now , what are you going to do if Cease starts pitching into the season ? I know many here (myself included) who don't want Getz to do that. But some are fine with it . Too risky vs. a risk worth taking. Cease ,Snell and Montgomery are all Scott Boras clients. There's a lot going on behind the scenes that we aren't privy to.

When will Davis Martin be ready to pitch ?

Made sense to me.

Until he needs TJS.

Ok Cool all done. Send it to Getzy, not to be confused with the fired Bear Offensive Coordinator.Now tell me what our Top 15 prospects look like ? Do all 4 make it . I'm thinking yes.

Basically this is the off season to low ball the downtrodden because almost every year recently baseball has faced financial crisis ;COVID, labor problems and the RSN stuff. The top guys keep getting the big bucks and your last season means more than anything right now. But even a guy like Snell who had a pretty good last season has enough red flags to warrant caution. You'd think Cease would be a top guy but he's closer to what Snell is without the great last season. Cease does have the durability factor over Snell . TA has to decide on a lower AAV but multi-year deal or a 1 year prove it deal. If he's financially sound still with millions in the bank and sound investments he can probably afford to take a 1 years prove it deal to maximize future value by putting together a good season but his time is running out. Can he get his head out of his ass and still hit without being a bad fielder and bad teammate ? Lots of baggage with TA. He's going to need one guy somewhere out there to believe in him.

I'm glad you took a stab at what surplus value or future value means because I've been wondering. For a guy like Cease he's a young veteran MLB pitcher with a 2nd place Cy Young finish recently. The fact that he's an established high level , durable pitcher in MLB with 2 years of control and low salary means a lot more than prospects who haven't proven any thing except being able to impress talent evaluators. Sure each prospect has a ranking based on skills and performance , ceiling and floor based on projected best guesses on future ability to adjust to the top level in the world and 6 years of control. But we all know that because baseball is the hardest sport to make projections of value of prospects because it's a sport where physical abilities are not the most important thing. Your ability to be a chameleon means almost as much. Those who can adapt to the top environment are the ones who succeed. However, that's a skill that can't be assessed. How fast you run, how strong or how quick your bat is takes a back seat if you can't handle the mental pressure learning you my not be the stud you thought you were for the last 10+ years of playing baseball collecting accolades inflating your ego . Every level you advanced you become a nobody again until you are so close to the top where the difference between AAA and MLB can blow your confidence away . This is why you offer multiple prospects with enough questionable future value to match the established MLB player future value. If you get Cy Cease his future value is worth way more. You get 2023 Cease it's worth way less. This is what makes this trade so intriguing. With the O's Beavers may end up being better than Cowser or Kjerstad. Maybe his future position in the rankings surpasses the highest Cowser or Kjerstad has acheived.Westburg may be better than Mayo. It's a lot harder to get future War stats playing 1st base. People talking about holding onto Cease if the return package doesn't meet expectations because you need the top 2 prospects you get to have the best chance of achieving MLB future value or you don't make the trade and pitch Cease into the season are missing the point. Getting 3 prospects who are capable of being good MLB players is very important to the Sox future. Getting Basallo ,Mayo, Cowser or Kjerstad may not be any better than getting Westburg, Beavers, Ortiz , Bradfield or Norby. I'd take the biggest quantity package I could get from the O's top 10 prospects list and try to include unranked guy with helium and guys who aged out of the top prospects or a guy who has a risk or being 1st base only. Get as many as you can . They are pretty much all looking better than Colas and Sosa at this point and that includes Ortiz. Having some of us laughing at a guy who professional talent evaluators once had ranked pretty high is just weird. Knowing how bad our system has been at development really screws with our heads in these trade scenarios. We want the highest ranked guys we can get as if that will insulate us from having to develop them and screwing them up . Once you fall off the list it's like you become worthless because the Sox can't fix you. You automatically become Colas, Sosa or Vaughn, Madrigal, Collins ,Fulmer, Crochet and Kopech. Just make sure we get some lefties please and make the trade before the season starts.