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That's part of the problem. All of a sudden after being Chairman/Owner of the Sox for over 40 years NOW he's worried about his legacy ? He's already had a long time to build his legacy , after all he's the one who created it. Oh you poor ,dear Sox fans, you're going to lose your franchise unless Uncle Jerry saves you. Let me translate that . I'm worried that my heirs will not be able to eventually sell the team for a massive profit unless they get a sweetheart deal which not only includes a new ball park but a whole White Sox based tourist attraction. I've driven away most Sox fans so the only ones left to exploit are tourists. No Sox fan trusts Reinsdorf to actually deliver on any promise he makes that he says will make the Sox more competitive. He's been in the easiest division to win for 4 decades and couldn't figure out how to do it. Oh in my declining years I've been visited by 3 ghosts like Ebenezer Scrooge that said there was still time to change my legacy. God bless us every one ! Thank you Jerry Reinsdorf ! Thank you !

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Not a chance the option gets picked up. 3 or 4 WAR wouldn't convince me of anything. He had 4 WAR in 2021 and it was mostly a WAR based on his fielding . He's a very inconsistent hitter and too often injured. You saw what they did with payroll this year. Hard to imagine it would be so much better next year that they would pick up his option under any circumstances. Maybe if he has 3 WAR at the trade deadline they deal him but don't see much chance of that either .

Welcome ! You picked a funny time to show your fandom on a message board just to say you're worse than neutral now for the 1st time in your life about the Sox . But diehards declaring they are no longer diehards but continue to post like diehards is kinda a thing here.

I think the potential is there to lose more. If the starting pitching is a disaster, it's more than likely the relief pitching is also a disaster. Any time in the past that we have said " if everyone stays healthy or " if so and so breaks out " we have a shot, it usually falls upon deaf ears of the gods of baseball. If the starting pitching is somewhat stable and reliable for a bunch of stiffs, the stiffs in the bullpen might stabilize with assigned roles. I don't expect miracles. A good 1st half would mean we have more guys to trade. That's pretty much all I want. I could get greedy and ask for the prospects taking the place of the traded guys in the 2nd half do good also but shhhhh.

But what is it in Spanish ? Why English only ? Haven't they yet figured out they also have many Spanish speaking players yet ?

A reference to the Reinsdorfian villain in It's A Wonderful Life . I like it !

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According to your own list Clevinger is top 50 over 32 years old also (33). You also have MLBTR projected salary for Belt, Votto, Stanek, Taylor and Pham all @ the same projected salary as Cody Bellinger's $264/12. Just by perusing the list and ages of those players you don't have to know the actual projected salary's to know those are wrong.

Good luck Liam and family !!

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Veteran GM's don't want to work for him. He doesn't give them anything . He's king of his domain and he and his investors all did well and he intends to keep it that way until he can't.

JR says and does whatever wants. He has no intention or interest in making Getz job easy. Hired because he failed upwards and rookie GM happy to just get the opportunity . Wondering if JR is ever told you know most teams have staff 3 times as large as ours, you could invest in scouting and developing like TB . We could win the division a lot with young players who we then trade when they peak , get better prospects back since we sell high, keep the high level young talent coming in , really invest in making them the best they can be with staff and equipment. In the end it costs less, JR ,Staff costs a lot less than players but payroll stays low because our players are so young. It's not easy, always need the best talent evaluators and commit to it .

Actually from what I understand there have always been a lot of Santander trade talk in the past . I think even some White Sox rumors too. Santander and Hays get asked about more than Mullins now because Santander is the closest to Free agency and Hays just had a better year than Mullins who is viewed as slowed down a bit by age and injuries. It's not really about who more expendable. It's about getting value now for guys going to Free agency. The Rays trade guys before they get too expensive while contending and plug in younger guys. Os need to get the ball rolling in their OF and on top of that need starting pitching. They need to get their asses in gear before they regret not getting assets for impending free agents and fritter away a season where it's possible to win a World Series . The Rays would have traded Santander 1 -1.5 years ago.

In general I agree with you. When you have a talented 40 that's a roster crunch . When you are a bottom feeder your concern is all these bums are pretty much the same , I really hope I don't give up the one guy who will end up being a good player. But when you can't develop your own players, that's going to be on your mind. But yea ,I'm not concerned with giving up 27 and 28 yr olds at this point who have little value . There is no roster crunch. They have 70 guys in camp which tells you there's no roster crunch. Anyone among those NRIs who makes the squad is fine by me. I doubt anyone will rue the day the Sox let Banks, Peralta , or Sheets go. We're not exactly talking about letting go Fernando Tatis Jr. here.

Why do you torture yourself about the Orioles. ? They move slow. They will reassess the health of their pitchers in a month . In the meantime they might find a quick fix like Lorezen if he isn't too rich for them. Would you give up Mike Soroka or Touki Toussaint for Santander ? The O's more than likely wouldn't do that. But would you ? I would, even though the Sox OF seems full now you can delay playing Fletcher to flip Santander. Santander might be flipped for a better prospect than Soroka will be eventually. Seems like Santander could be traded by the Os maybe along with a prospect to get immediate SP help better than Soroka, but who needs a RF for 1 year and is willing to give up a decent SP ? Maybe Hays for 2 years gets you a little more. Cease is still going to have to pitch well this season to convince the O's to give up more than they offered before and that goes for anyone else who thought the Sox were asking too much for Cease. It's a big gamble by Getz but if he feels the offers weren't good enough so be it. But you're barking up the wrong tree if you are expecting anything soon.

I have no idea what you are saying here but have a nice emoji for having said it. I think it's sarcasm about something .

Never a doubt Perez nor Merrifield were coming here when their budget never allowed for it. Certainly wasn't a thing to get all up in arms about. So the Sox might waste some money on some over the hill vets. Not like that's ever happened before. But to be frank , I'll give Getz the benefit of the doubt that had he the budget for it he'd have better options to spend money on.

This is a good story of a baseball lifer. He worked for the Rays for 18 years for those who wanted us to poach more coaches from that system. Pretty cool how he ended up in the movie "The Babe" as pitcher Charlie Root on the mound as The Babe ( John Goodman) points his bat towards the Wrigley Field bleachers in the 1932 World Series for the infamous called shot HR. EX UIC pitcher now the pitching coach at AAA Charlotte.

Major League , 3WAR , switching hitting , starting RF for a team that won 100 games who's hit 61 HRs the last 2 years, has a good arm. Why wouldn't there be a market for him when conservatively 90 % of all minor league players will never see an AB or pitch in MLB ? Surely someone somewhere would think he'd be a fine edition to their team and be willing to find something reasonably close to equitable for him.

I saw he is 6' 230. That's a lot of muscle on that height. Still only 24. I see Russell Wilson (the QB) is still loving baseball now with the Yankees. The Panda Pablo Sandoval is trying a comeback with the Giants. For anyone thinking damn I thought he was 50 years old, he's 37.

Yes I knew there were multiple ways but it never sounded like a BP stint was a viable way to keep him prepped as a starter. It's not just about getting the innings in . It's about how it would ve been too difficult to prep him as a starting pitcher which would disrupt the Sox ability to use him the way they do other relievers on the team. If he is going for being a starter you don't use him as a relief pitcher on the big club which you seemed to think was just as good just to build up innings. That was our fundamental disagreement. Crochet's interview shows that's how he wants to approach it also now. It'll be interesting to see how it plays out.

Maybe so but at least they have guys to plug in and impending FA OFs to trade for their pitching needs if they can. That's why I'm surprised Santander isn't gone yet. If they are going to keep their prospects and try to be like the Rays then Santander should be traded before the deadline. The Rays in the same situation would already be looking for prospects for him ,Mullins and Hays. The O's can't afford to let any of them reach FA and get just a draft pick back if they are going to never sign high priced Free Agents. Maybe things change under new ownership but too hard to say when or what new ownership will do differently.