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If you lose a ball in the lights or sun it's usually ruled a hit. Happens all the time in the OF.

Did it get worst ? It was pretty bad to begin with. I mean they took their 2nd best HR hitter off the team. Last year was it no one hit 20 HR's . This year you had 2 guys would were headed for over 30. Can't win with a whole bunch of guys who don't get on base and .600ish OPS .

But we knew it was going to get really bad after the deadline. The combined talent with Charlotte and Sox would be lucky to be a championship team in AAA.

A lot of placeholders currently employed. Not a lot of young pitchers worth bringing up. Just playing out the string with what they have.

Still time for the Sox to lose by 10+ runs.

That's just JR understaffing as usual. 2 positions to fill ? Fill them with 1 person !

You're not doing your job if you don't state the obvious. Same thing would've been said here too.

No doubt Hahn and anyone he relies on have done an incredibly poor job. I just think when it comes to trades/drafting/development and the people surrounding Hahn that the Sox are understaffed and don't hire the best people including scouts analytics types and even the equipment to make Hahn as well informed as he could be. Plus JR puts a lot of restraints on almost everything to do with acquiring and developing good young talent. There's not been many attempts to go after Asian players. They haven't ever had a Dominican star and that's quite a feat since the DR has been a hotbed of talent in the whole time JR has owned the team. I think JR's constraints are big enough to limit all aspects of the organization to a large degree. I do agree that there are GM's out there who could operate under the constraints of a JR owned team but maybe not someone with experience or a network of his own to get the job done. Plus if someone with that kind of experience is ever interviewed for GM he'd have to want to meet staff ,see all aspects of scouting and development and get assurances from JR that he could upgrade and get an increased budget even if at the expense of the payroll for players budget for a couple of years if necessary .He'd basically have to interview JR and get the lay of the land and convince JR that his current way is wasteful , irresponsible and unproductive. JR wouldn't hire someone like that.

If he keeps putting up WAR at the current rate since he left the Sox he could finish with over 4 fWAR . He's accumulated 1.1 fWAR in 17 games with the Marlins. I know that rate is unsustainable but it's impressive nevertheless. 1.4 with the Sox, 1.1 with the Marlins to put him at 2.5 now. A decent finish without a prolonged slump could get him up to 3.5. It's still too early to evaluate the trade properly though.

I agree JR is the #1 culprit . He decides how much to spend in player development, from hirings to budget. He sticks his nose into everything as is his right in the position he holds and he's the one conducting the interviews ? It's a farce. Until he makes fundamental changes in the way HE views how to operate a franchise that cares about things that Tampa Bay does then the franchise will be forever mediocre of worse until the team is sold. Even then there are no guarantees ,If Tampa Bay can do what they have done on a shoestring budget it can't be that expensive to overhaul the whole minor league system.

Looks like Eddie Gaedel.

Malarkey. Everything wrong with the Sox is on JR. Treat the drafting and development of young players with the money and scouting and coaches it has deserved forever. That is all on JR.

So is he now on a 10 game hitting streak ? Too bad the rest of the Marlins lineup had such a hard time with the Dodgers pitching. Eury Perez looked amazing in his start in the 1st game.

You know I understand doubling down on one's previous positions especially when we are a long long way from seeing how the trade works out. Early returns are way in the Marlins favor but what's a couple of weeks when we may need years to figure out how this trade worked out. It was one big leaguer with upside and tons of cheap control,which doesn't mean as much with a 27 yr old as it does a someone younger. There was also his injury history , defense , and OBP problems If his assessment of Burger was he is who he is or that the power numbers are unsustainable I could agree with that partially. Not the he is who he is part. I never thought that was true. Development is not linear especially when you miss 3 years of it. Burger would have to change his approach but he was always working on that though . If he wasn't he never would have got the 11 walks in July he got with the Sox. So now with the Marlins he's making use of how hard he hits the ball not just for long and max exit velo HR's but for using that high hard hit percentage to smash balls all over the field. Maybe it would have happened with the Sox or maybe the Marlins showed him something that has paid off right away. But for a guy to double down and now say he feels sorry for anyone who believes in Burger is even more arrogant than I can be. I don't need anyone's pity. I have strong opinions, positive opinions about Burger but I know his power numbers will suffer if he becomes a more well rounded hitter but he'll still be capable of big power numbers the better and smarter he becomes as a hitter. I also realize that odds are always in the favor of someone who predicts failure for 27 yr old guys who haven't immediately shown they understand an advanced approach. It's really playing the odds more than anything else while you spout off numbers. He really shouldn't feel sorry for us because we choose to believe he can get better even though we know the odds aren't with us but we have seen his attitude, desire and work ethic and yes even some encouraging results this season that suggests he really cares about being better. That's why so many people liked the guy. If Jake fails, I'm not afraid of being wrong and liking a player and looking at the positive signs of his character and results to come to a conclusion that he can be better than he had shown with the Sox, which wasn't so bad .

I meant no disrespect . You are one of my favorite guys on Soxtalk. But it was quite a popular thread and yes moving it makes people forget about it. Pale Hose talk is by far the most popular thread in Soxtalk. It may not take a colossal effort to click 2 times but I think most Sox fans either use Pale Hose Talk or Future Sox most of the time. It's more a matter of breaking your usual patterns than effort. I have no quarrel with it being a popular thread in Diamond Talk . You were just doing your job and sometimes I don't agree with everything Mods do. No biggie. Many people loved the Burger comeback story, his attitude and mostly his performance on the field and how he talked about actually using the things he needed to study pitchers at home and especially when he said it wasn't available on the road. I forget what the thing was called but I do remember Ozzie making fun of it on the post games shows as if modern tech shouldn't mean so much to players but it does when someone wants to improve as much as Burger did. Instead of laughing about it Guillen should ve been applauding his desire to use a tool he thought was very helpful.

AH you remember Stone Garrett was one of my guys too that I mentioned who would be good to take a flyer on but the Nats picked him up before the Sox could . He's got 1.5 fWar in 86 games . He spent time in the minors this year and might've had an injury also. His line with the Nats is .279 , .351, .473, .825. I would've had a good off season despite the usual guff you take for suggesting guys no one knows about. But ultimately I didnt think the Dodgers were going to trade Outman and it's doubtful the Sox wouldve offered Garrett an MLB contract like the Nats did.

Right I know he mentioned it butin case anyone that saw earlier tweet about 6 HR's and didn't notice the date on it, was aware he was up to 8 now.

Adrian Gil is another 17 yr old whose BA and OBP is higher than Mongollon's while slugging is slightly less. .331 .472 .472 .944 Gil 16 days younger than Mongollon and both from Venezuela. 6' 193 2nd base. RH The 2 HR's by Mongollon gives him 8 on the season. Badlers Tweet said 6 but that was from 2 days ago so didnt count the 2 today.

My 2 favorite players of 2023 just went head to head . Burger hit a long fly ball to CF with 2 outs and men on 1st and 2nd in 1st inning of the 1st game of today's doubleheader with the Dodgers. James Outman tracked it right to the wall and caught it while crashing his back against the wall and falling to the ground. If you have the MLB app it's there under MLB Most Popular.

I think it was the only way to combat how polarizing the trade was. Too many bashing Burger and too many pro Burger people bashing the trade. I fell somewhere in the middle of not bashing the trade but very pro Burger. Even media people like Garfien and his cohort/cohost Ryan McGuffey were sad to see Burger go. I do however reserve the right to bash the trade if Burger ends up having 3 or 4 good seasons while Eder lanquishes in the minors or can't become part of the starting rotation.

Global warming and the rise in the temperature of the Pacific Ocean has made the nearly impossible possible. Should be quite chaotic here in So Cal depending on how seriously people take the weather reports and stay off the roads in areas expected to have problems. There is certain to be quite a bit of flooding and mud slides. Just hope no lives are lost.

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Ky Bush pitching today for Birmingham and should be Jake Eder tomorrow.

Speaking of their 1st round pick Nolan Schanuel... 40 days after the draft they called him up and then he gets his 1 hit has an unassisted DP and has the assist on the throw home that completed the triple play. The only thing missing was an Angels win. But quite the debut. https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/38215301/nolan-schanuel-mlb-draft-rookie-los-angles-angels

In his recent hot streak Burger had 3 hits off Verlander and 2 off Gerrit Cole.