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There's no reason to add him to the 40 man roster now. He'll be added before he makes his MLB debut. There are open spots on the 40 but there's no hurry to add anyone to it now. We'll have to see how the off season shakes out.They just added the Rule 5 guy they picked up, Avila, and they added Bryan Ramos and Jose Rodriquez to protect them from the Rule 5 draft. Ramos and Rodriquez had to be protected because of how long its been since they 1st signed with the Sox depending on their age when they signed. Colas didn't need protection.

I never included Anderson in any of my trade proposals. I just figured Hendriks might be the only way to free up money. He isn't going to be among the best forever. He should be moved. I haven't advocating moving Gio or TA because I think there's a good chance some guys have significantly better seasons. If anyone has any better ideas about who you could get for Hendricks to help the team I'm listening. An aging top closer isn't a necessity on a .500 team who can't spend money. Fathom do you want to keep Hendriks and if you're open to moving him then find me someone to move him for. He would be needed on a team that has a vast amount of improvement from the dreadful seasons last year but how many of those kinds of improvements can we expect ? enough to make the playoffs ? That's always been the question . Hence the debate, wait it all out , see how they all do and if its enough to flip the script going forward and right the ship or commence selling off the rest of the pieces every time one of them has a good year. The Sox got nothing for Abreu, Rodon or Cueto. They can't keep receiving nothing for guys who will either fall off because of age or reach Free Agency after crap years like 2022. Getting nothing leads to the BS farm system along with how poorly they draft and develop and rather play internationally in Cuba and Venezuela than the DR. After Hendriks is Gio . He's the top wait and see how he does guy vs how the team does . Is it a good or bad thing if he does well and the team does well thus not selling him off. Or is it better that he does well and the Sox are not in contention so you can sell him off ? I know we all want the Sox to win but ownership isn't exactly making a concerted effort for that to happen. Since we know they have no intention of spending on this team it's kind of imperative they make trades. It's not the fans fault the Sox screwed everything up. We're just stuck as fans trying to figure out which direction to go and biting each others heads off. It would be nice to see Eloy and Robert have monster years without seeing Eloy in the OF more than a handful of games while at the same time seeing a couple of the rest of the comeback candidates also do very well. They have to find a way to make the OF defense good again somehow when its highly unlikely they spend on FA wish and prayer OFers. That just leaves young guys acquired in a trade or 2 . Signs are everywhere they're being ultra stingy. They can't even invest in OF depth when they resign Payton and apparently can't yet close a deal on Victor Reyes.

Which thread was the one speculating on what Nimmo's salary would be? I'd like to see who came the closest. I'm doubting if anyone thought it would be $168M.

Dodgers don't panic. They have a loaded farm system, a great front office, great scouting and development, have money to burn on FA's and a great team that's a little thin on closer ,SS and OF. I'm actually surprised they played Bellinger so much and gave so many ABs to Gallo also. Guess they were trying to find that old magic too but never happened . Outside of Betts, Trace Thompson was their best OF. They haven't even started spending yet and they freed up a little over $100M from their payroll.

I can't accept that plan because you literally just told me iF Eloy hit 40 bombs , Robert had a 30/30 year, Kopech and Lynn pitched 150 innings and gives you a 3. 00 ERA Cease stays the same. Giolito gives you 180 IP 3.50 ERA 4-5 WAR ANderson gives you 4.5 to 5.0 War, Colas gives you 3 WAR Vaughn gives you 2.5 WAR Moncada gives you 4 War Clevinger gives you 3 WAR You improve the defense in the OF, improve team speed and you fill in the pen with money saved from trading hendricks and its not a total disaster, That the team wouldn't win the division or beat out Cleveland . You should go to the Cleveland board and tell them how bad we are and how good they are.

Despite you always giving me the TLR emojis and Sacamano just giving me grief in general. It's not very far from my thinking. I'm just not in favor of adding the extra expensive valueless pieces and my way is actually getting a jump start on the rebuild should the likely outcome of not making the playoffs occur in 2023. I'm just much more optimistic adding young players than adding expensive lottery tickets. I rather have athleticism and speed in the OF rather than bum shoulders and guys under 50% in sprint speed who also have power and years to develop even if they don't contribute right away. I mean if the end result is going to be a rebuild wouldn't you rather have Outman now than Gallo ? I can't say which one may help the Sox more in 2023 but I know which one will cost a lot less and be around for a lot more years. TLR me baby.

True but there are other options but no one wants to hear those either. They'd rather take their chances with expensive physical wrecks than trade for youngsters because some youngsters means "OH no we're rebuilding" when it could also mean an infusion of speed, energy power that you just might produce immediate or future results. We just saw Cleveland wipe the floor with us with that kind of team and we see TB compete every year despite having guys who arent household names.

Lottery tickets do not cost $8-10M. He should be in Japan with Aquino. Gallo is a Hahn purchase . Hahn and Jerry appreciate your support. The level of excitement for a Gallo would be less than a 5 if there were those choices but the thread maker chose to factiously give you choices of 10 and 9 as a joke so you're not changing anyones mind but Gallo would be a joke to a team mired in mediocrity and even a bigger joke to a team supposed to be having parades.

Returning to prior levels of production is called improvement when your most recent production is terrible . I don't know why it always has to be old veterans you throw out as choices. You might think Gallo at 29 in 2023 would have a better shot at a rebound but he's just bad . If you're going to take a shot at his 35HR .350 OBP glory days then the downside better be better than .280 OBP 15HRs while playing slightly above average defense (maybe) while K'ing 42% of the time while you have a lot of trouble scoring a runner from 3rd with less than 2 outs because you can't make any contact.

I'm fairly confident he wont return to form based on research. You don't just give out contracts hoping guys return to form , you put in the work to determine how likely that is. Bellinger shoulder issues but still slim and sleek and athletic likely to stay good defensive player and good baserunner for at least a couple more years. Shoulder makes it highly unlikely he finds his bat again but still useful in other ways . But pretty high premium price for a slight chance he finds offense again. Gallo :He will never be as good as he was defensively because he is much slower now. Sure he's got good instincts in the OF but no longer has the athleticism/speed required to use his good fundamentals to have any defensive rebound. He's a giant of a man. He's slowed down in all aspects. Plus is Gallo really a lottery ticket at $8-10M for a year ? He's more like buying cigarettes, expensive and nasty habit, likely to kill your budget when combined with your constant purchase of buying smokes.

There are or were but when I suggested them and keep suggesting them all I get are TLR emojis from the guy you're talking to. Of course my guys were depth pieces who would've cost next to nothing but Gallo had a good season but odd statistically as recently as 2021 so even though 2022 was putrid and Gallo's giant body is slowing down at a rapid pace he's worth more ? I don't get it either but its basically using career stats to support arguments for guys like Gallo, Bellinger and Conforto but the prices to find out if they are as bad as they have been most recently is very high. Gallo is just aging rapidly and slowing down. Bellinger is still slim and sleek and athletic but can't hit very well now due to a bad shoulder. Conforto had a bad year then was out with injury for another year that was rumored to be from a drunken fall at a party. If I had to chose between the 3 probably would pick Conforto based on who I think among those 3 was likely to help the Sox the most due to how well Conforto hit ( recent past) RHP but if Bellinger got $17.5M for 1 yr whats Conforto going to get ? $22M ? The Sox won't even give MLB contracts to better depth pieces in the OF .$720K is too much when you can sign worse guys to minor league contracts.

#1 Nice #2 If thinking Gallo is ok because he's an actual OFer pegged to play the OF that's about the lowest bar you have to clear to be happy. Yay, he's not a catcher pretending to be an OF. #3 Gallo for 1 year would be bad enough, multiple years appalling. Didn't you say the same thing about Bellinger? I mean more power to you if you want to think those guys could give you something to consider them playable for long stretches . The Cubs paid for defense and baserunning and maybe a 30% chance Bellinger will give them more than 2 War if he can hit only slightly better than he has for the last 2 years in their ballpark. Gallo's huge body is just slowing down rapidly. From 2019 to 2022 his sprint speed went from 69.8 percentile to 46%.

This is getting worse every day. I think I'm just going to stop posting until the season starts. I'm amazed at the amount of blowback I get suggesting upgrades with speed defense and 25 to 28 yrs power bats for depth or as starters. I know they aren't Nimmo but I'm trying to work within whats been reported as the Sox budget. Go on and be happy when you see Leury, Payton, Reyes , Eloy and Sheets back in the OF. No wonder some are thinking Gallo is acceptable when faced with the rest of the crap we've been hearing about. I don't think trading Hendriks would signal a rebuild if they got younger but I'd hope they get some LH guys with 6 years of eligibility and ready to step into an MLB lineup today. Having an elite closer on a .500 team is a waste when the team can't hit either. If Eloy has a 40 HR season in him or Robert has a 30/30 year in him it better be this year. Holding onto Hendriks is holding onto the dream that this team can still win but its also holding onto an asset that will start declining very soon. Tampa Bay would trade him because they trust their player development and scouting enough to take younger guys and develop them. Do that enough and you have a constant influx of young talent at every level ready to step in when your guys get too expensive for you. Depth and youth, thats how TB does it. I don't know who the White Sox are. Clearly JR is willing to spend more than TB on payroll but has never seen the light about creating a powerhouse system. The Dodgers do it and they are also willing to spend large amounts of money. The Sox are mired in mediocrity because the ownership and FO have no idea how to break the cycle or didn't commit to it before the 1st rebuild started. They are themselves mediocre management. I'd rather play upside guys who might struggle but eventually become good players than pay multi millions for Gallo and his quickly diminishing skill set. If this year flops again welcome to another rebuild. Jerry must have made some good profits during the rebuild and wants to do it again.

Just based on prior histories, age scouting reports and previous seasons and all other stuff available my picks were better. Same stuff you always research when determining why one player is better than another. I assume you know all this already but then again you had already made an argument against Garrett using he could be out of options and didnt bother to look it up yourself. SO again you're arguing when you have no idea what you are talking about more against me than the players. I mean when you don't do your own research yet continuously argue against me it has to be personal otherwise you don't care if I keep making you look like an idiot. I mean seriously your continuing this over 31 year old Mark Payton and 28 yr old Victor Reyes ? All I'm trying to do is improve the team very cheaply on the margins yet you want to fight about Payton and Reyes vs Garrett and Aquino seriously ? I would expect any Sox fan to say yea Payton and Reyes are pretty bad depth pieces and those cheap SOB's can't even spent $2M or whatever it would've taken on 2 decent backups. I better not see you crying at all about Leury, Payton or Reyes (if signed) when they replace an injured Sox OF next year. Or when they stick Sheets or Eloy back in the OF.

Thanks Bob. Just pointing out that you wanted more you got less. I wasn't wrong yet you and your wolfpack found reasons to hound me about suggesting sound depth pieces. Get over yourself. Your post wasn't about baseball or baseball players it's about me .

Gallo is fundamentally a good OF . High rating in arm and jumps . Seems to have lost a step or 2. A better RFer than a LF. He didn't fare well in OAA (-5) with the Yankees in LF in 2022 but did much better with the Dodgers (2). Not really enough attempts to make a determination but for the last couple years his OAA has been better in RF. Don't want to go too far back defensively. He's a big guy 6'5" 250 and is down to the 46th percentile in sprint speed when in 2019 he was closer to 70%.

WEll Payton and Reyes (if he signs). There's 2 depth pieces. Kind of makes the idea of Stone Garrett and Arestides Acquino look a lot better . Butt both Payton and Reyes will be minor league contracts. Nats signed Garrett to a MLB contract so slightly more money. Aquino signed with Chunichi Dragons of the NPBL. so he probably got a much better offer. My 2 guys had big power and Aquino a great arm . Aquino, 28, RH, Very good fielder, one of the best arms in baseball, fast, really good jumps. This all easy to find on baseball Savant. .7 fWar in 80 games with the Reds in 2022 based almost purely from defense. Hit tool lacking but basically in his MLB career hit a HR every 16.73 AB's. If you believe in WAR then in 80 games he had more fWar than Vaughn and Sheets combined in 258 games for a -.3 fWar. Garrett ,27, 6 yrs of control, all his options, is fast and hit HR's off Cease and Rodon last year in a 27 game sample size with the Dbacks but he is RH. Reyes is 28, SH, no power , nice arm but not a particularly good fielder. Stone Garrett rejected by the Dbacks who have a ton of good young OFs. Reyes 54 percentile rank sprint speed . Garrett 83rd percentile. Couldnt get Garretts baseball Savant info on his fielding so I assume his time in the OF with the dbacks wasn't enough of a sample size yet. Just another example of minor acquisitions need to cost as little as possible and limiting the quality of depth and losing on the margins. My picks provided speed and power and very good defense, upside and plus power while the Reyes contract isn't official yet the Sox 2 guys have no outstanding skills at all. My guys are RH though Payton is LF and Reyes a SH but on the margins quality means more. I would expect the main acquisition to the OF to be LH.

Avgolemono Sauce is very versatile.

But I thought you thought your friend was messing with you. So you believe he isn't messing with you now Mr. Aintalkinoupolous ? And if so what makes you believe him now?

But payroll is being about the same or cut slightly or raised slightly . Telling me its unacceptable doesn't change that fact . You either work with that or give up.

Please enlighten me of your master plan. I haven't heard it yet . The game isn't played by zips nor do I care that you project a BP performance from one year to another when a better hitting and defensive team changes that all up.

Of course a lot has to go right. The Sox have had their fair share of a lot had to go wrong to play .500 baseball for the last 1.5 years. SO yea maybe we can have a year where a lot goes right for once. A lot has to go right for another rebuild to work too only i'll have to wait another 4 or 5 years to find out. I'll take my chances on 2023 . Start the rebuild in 2024 if you like unless that changes because they Sox accomplished more than expected in 2023.

Some people only know what they don't like and can't tell you what they like until they see what direction the wind is blowing. They only know your plan won't work but are too afraid to submit a plan of their own . That's why we keep seeing buy that or that FA but when told there's no money they tell us Grifol is the key or I don't believe they wont spend more . The Sox have to deconstruct somewhere because they fucked up the construction and if you deconstruct fully welcome to hoping Jerry dies and things get better ? That's just pitiful.

Sorry if I am among those who don't want to enter Jerry's Inferno just yet. So you don't believe Kopech, Lynn, and Giolito can all be better in 2023 ? You don't think Clevinger can be good ? Same question of Eloy, Moncada, Grandal, Anderson, Robert, Vaughn . You don't believer Colas will be worth morein 2022 than the combined -.3 WAR that Vaughn and Sheets put up as OF's in 2021 ? Of those 11 guys I just mentioned how many would it take rebounding or playing significantly enough for the Sox to make the playoffs ?