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Yikes, but not for sounding like a dick. It's not that mean sounding. Every one of the 3 sentences had errors in them. It's like Bruce Levine is creeping in. The chance for the arbitration money ( the 6.2M he mentions) has long passed so no sense talking about it since he was a Free Agent and could've signed for much less. That makes the rest of his post mute since , in theory, he could have produced for a reasonable price. 1st sentence I know what he meant but I have no idea if it's a question or what. It's just very poorly constructed . After that "he'd" instead of "he's" and "if" instead of "is" .

Why would you be surprised ? It's well known you liked Yolmer but also that plenty here told you he wasn't worth $5M or even $3M. You had to be clinging pretty tightly to that Yolmer belief to be surprised the Sox want more than just a glove for a backup. 2nd base was the most crowded infield position available in Free Agency. There are just too many left for all to get good offers, The Sox still have a choice among some decent options for a 2nd base/utility guy. When you move into a new house some things get thrown away and the Sox are moving from the outhouse to the middle class housing at the least.

Stone sounds like my echo machine. I've been saying no to Puig and Zobrist forever . Holt was one of the first guys i wanted at the start of the off season and have recently suggesting Miller too or Flores if he's still around.

I suggested a month or so ago that if they were planning on giving Nomar AB's against lefties that they stick to guys who pitch up in the zone . Nomar already too much of a GB hitter and K machine against lefties to give him any more.

This is good stuff. We've been missing a lot of tech-talk from those in charge making us think that if they can't throw the lingo around that things aren't happening. Shirley is going to be liked around here. Might be time for a Shirley thread given this recent info and his quotes from Soxfest instead of using this old thread.

Amen to that.

Yea Senzel better be an above average fielder if I'm going to see all this love for him. Same age as Mazara. Lots more years of control though of course . But but but getting Senzel is rebuilding team move . We are in our window now .

I know . I'm just wishing out loud for one place I can find a lot of Sox info instead of bookmarking 50 different places something like 2020 Sox articles from online newspapers, blogs ,sports websites, twitter, TV stations websites, FanGraphs, MLB Trade Rumors,White Sox,com etc. There are so many. Of course some of that stuff will be repeated in hot topic threads but a lot is just fun stuff like the links I posted where a separate thread just takes up space on the front page for maybe less than a page of responses before it dies or opinions on our favorite or least favorite bloggers or tweeters. Something like your one stop spot for everything White Sox. I think it would generate more traffic here and the links would generate more traffic for the other websites. Maybe a creative person could make their own website for something like that . Probably make some money doing it. Imagine a place like that for every MLB , NHL, NBA and NFL team. Some type of app too like (Your team) Consolidated.

This isn't everything Soxfext related but some of it is because of the increased coverage of the Sox during Sox fest. I always wondered why a Sox fan website like Soxtalk never has a pinned thread for news , blogs and articles about the Sox. Something for pics, links etc. I know anything that strikes someones fancy can be made into it's own thread but there are a lot of resources on the internet for Sox related news and as much as I scour the net looking for it, a busy week can go by and I fall behind. NBC sports Chicago is always good if you have their app or go to the website for Sox stuff to catch up on particularly around Soxfest. https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/white-sox/yasmani-grandal-effect-real-and-its-already-happening-white-sox https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/video/andrew-vaughn-wants-wild-thing-no-99-1989-film-major-league Could it be a trend starting with the Abreu 79, Robert 88 and now maybe a Vaughn 99 ? The High Numbers Squad . https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/white-sox/eloy-jimenez-has-high-praise-luis-robert-hes-going-be-next-mike-trout https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/video/cubs-are-nomar-mazaras-new-favorite-team-beat Some of these videos from Soxfest are funny like Moncada answering a question about Abreu being a leader and a big brother by saying : "Because he's old !" Grandal sitting between Eloy and Mazara and they get asked who is going to hit the most HR's ? Grandal points to both Eloy and Mazara but also says the question should be who is going to get the most walks, cuz walks means runs and runs win games. Funny but notice he said it sitting right between 2 guys who need to walk more. That's a leader. ALready a funny gentle nudge about walking more and being more selective. If you watch enough you see Garfien interviewing Sox players as they arrive, Dunning,Kopech, Yoan , Eloy, Timmy,Vaughn

I'm sure they are looking for as much as they can get. But that 2021 player opt out looms large in any potential deal. Pretty odd it was the GM who pushed for the opt out and now it's potential snag in getting the most they can for him. https://www.denverpost.com/2019/10/01/rockies-nolan-arenado-opt-out-clause/

You are right and even though I suggested signing Rendon and moving Yoan to 2nd a while ago they are not moving Yoan either or trading for Arenado .

Hey you know I thought of saying the exact same thing !

LOL Yea that confused me too but Madrigal was the only guy he could possibly mean. That's why I said pretty sure he meant Madrigal ,

Probably because he has never played all his home games away from Coors. Lots of guys are better at home than the road. Nobody thought much of DJ LeMahieu who put up great seasons at Coors and was always better there than on the road . Then the Yankees sign him for 2 years $24M and he puts up 6 WAR . Great is great no matter where you play. Coors is a factor but not a factor that defines his greatness. Any player defined as top 5 is arguable unless it's Trout.

Good post . Just a few things . There is an Arenado thread and notice the difference in how I spelled Arenado and how you did.

I'm pretty sure he was saying Madrigal would be.

Would be awesome if Burdi can show he's ready.

Being 24 and being a major league regular for 4 years means the kid has a ton of talent. He could've been in the minors all those years. He started off as a 21yr old hitting 20 HR's. He's been almost the exact same player every year . Maybe he never gets it. Or maybe he decides OK I did it my way the last 4 years maybe it's time for a change . I think he's capable of 30-40 HR's. I'd call that a good improvement and a good ceiling. Apparently you don't agree. I hope you can still root for the kid without an I told you so in your head every AB he doesn't produce . That's no way to be a Sox fan. If the Sox end up with Castellanos I will cheer for him too just as loudly as i would for Mazara.

These posts are just so wonderful . You are all getting likes from me. There's so much more to why Abreu got that contract and it has like $4M in deferred money from 2023-26. I'm sure Reinsdorf thinks he was worth every penny of it ,Abreu loves the White Sox more than just about anything and wasn't afraid to show it . He is Mr.White Sox and if you can't deal with that I feel bad for you. He has done everything in his power to make this team better. The more I defend him the more I learn about him and just how influential he is to the younger guys not only on being a better baseball player but being a better person and representing the White Sox in a positive way.

Nice I asked about this like 2 months ago on here thinking we were so far behind in that.

Don't tell me what my opinion boils down to . It's everything I wrote and if you think its subjective then my subjective guess is the Sox think the same way and no matter how much you hate the Mazara deal nothing is going to happen. The Sox arent getting Castellanos. There's a huge disconnect here where you have a few threads asking who our last sub will be and here ,where there are those still whining about the Abreu contract and the Mazara trade and that's you mostly a faction with you at the forefront. Argue with me at the end of the season or in 3 years if there's a way you can figure out the Sox lost the World Series or the division or a playoffs series if any of your fears come to fruition about how they under spent on RF for a shot at upside or Abreu's contract. You'll never be able to prove it because half the team and the future is riding upside. You can never single out how one contract that's a few million more or a few million less or a player or 2 players on a 26 man roster could cost the team when there are 24 other guys who had a much larger roll . Any of them or all of them playing better or worse than you expect leads to success or failure. That's much more subjective than anything I said. You're also telling me Castellanos is better than he was 3 years ago when he was 24,exactly the same age as Mazara is now. Yet Mazara is and wlll be the same player as he's always been. That does not compute.

No my opinion is that he is worth it in Reinsdorf's mind and you misrepresented how much he is costing. It changes year to year and you didn't take into account what another 1st baseman would cost . If you think he or another quality 1st baseman is worth $12M a year and Abreu averages around $16.666M it's really npt worth all the hot air his contract has been given. If Vaughn takes over at 1st base in a year or 2 then we have an extremely inexpensive 1st baseman and an expensive DH or part time DH but the overall cost will be less than the Sox are paying in 2020 for Abreu and EE. I think Reinsdorf took all of that into account by the way he structured the Abreu contract. And I like to back my position with as many facts as I can. It's blanket statements without facts bleated by the sheep of popular opinion that bother me. I keep arguing that for those clamoring for Castellanos that it's a waste of space on a roster already decided upon except for another utility guy. But they are perfecting willing to spend $15M, or whatever a one year contract for Castellanos will cost, in a year that our pitching is suspect, we already have Mazara so you waste his chance for a breakout year, You add worse starting defense in RF and you add worse substitute defense with Mazara as a 4th OF and lose versatility on the bench. Plus you are going to piss off a few pitchers with ugly overall OF defense. Then too, you might have less to spend at the trade deadline for piece you really have a need for instead a redundant player like Castellanos. Castellanos is Abreu or EE masquerading as an OF. Where's the fiscal responsibility there ? Or does that only apply to Abreu ?

Sure there is just ask Reinsdorf. Depends what year of Abreu's contract you are talking about, For 2020 his base salary is $11M , His payroll Salary is $12.666M (because of the signing bonus it's $1.666M higher than the base salary). His Luxury Tax salary is $16.666M. Also you can't really say $18M would come in handy as if you wouldn't have to pay another decent 1st baseman. Also $4M of 2020 salary deferred ($1M each July 2023-2026) . One more thing Full No Trade for 2020 10-team no trade list for 2021 5-team no trade list for 2022 https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/chicago-white-sox/jose-abreu-13653/ for a look at how ABreu's contract is structured

Yea me too but I seem to be the only one in that thread where the crowd is chanting , "We Want Castellans ! We Want Castellanos !"

There's still debate raging over our starting RF.